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Pagan Problem Children: What Can We Do About Them?

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 Author: Pagan Community    Posted: Nov. 17, 2002   This Page Viewed: 107,339  

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Question of the Week: 113 - 6/8/2003

Pagan Problem Children: What Can We Do About Them?

Let’s be honest. There are some people who inhabit our Pagan/Heathen communities who are clearly ‘problem children’. They may lie about their experience, lineage, credentials or intentions. They have been banned, banished or fired and yet they resurface and unabashedly continue on their merry ways. Worse even, we may have sexual predators, charlatans, thieves or con artists working their scams amongst us.

It seems that we are reluctant to confront them (or even to prosecute those who exhibit actual criminal behaviors) lest ‘it make us all look bad’. Well, they DO make us all look bad and we won’t look any prettier if they are eventually exposed (or indicted) by those outside of our own communities. But what can WE really do?

What does a Traditional coven or group do about former members who resurface still claiming to be a ‘priest or priestess of such-and-such degree’ after they have been banished by that group? What if these folks never earned or were stripped of those same degrees that they claim to hold?

What should we do about those known to use the lure of ‘teaching witchcraft’ in order to take advantage of others or coerce them into sexual relationships? What about Pagan merchants who take our money and then never produce the product?

CAUTION! This is a hot topic and so this is where I start placing notes of caution and related disclaimers all over the darn place: Please do not name names or point fingers at any specific person, persons or group here. {If a person committed a crime (sexual assault, theft, fraud, etc.) against you, please report him/her to the proper legal authorities. And yes, we know that this is a very difficult thing to do.} This is not the official Pagan Hit List. We are not the Pagan Police.

What we are looking for here (Help us, O Wise Elders/Leaders/Guides from all Traditions, Paths and Religions!) are examples of successful techniques or procedures from those who have experienced the ‘Pagan Problem Children’ or ideas about how the Pagan/Heathen communities can better cope with -- and reduce the havoc resulting from -- the actions of the ‘problem children’ amongst us -- and do so without resorting to ‘witch-hunts’ ourselves.
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Homo Sapiens Feb 9th. at 10:37:39 pm UTC

Jake Arzt (United States) Age: 28 - Email - Web


My two cents, for what they are worth: Pagan criminals are no different from criminals of any other belief system. I believe that humans (and many other species) are obviously designed for hostility. Before the advent of civilization on Earth, violence and dishonesty were valuable tools for survival. If it were not for violence, in fact, we would all be descended from Homo Habilus instead of Homo Erectus! Violence shapes evolution. Nowadays, however, we have so many "modern conveniences" that at times it seems that peace and honesty worldwide might be viable options. I think this is illusory. Have you ever lied to protect your child? If you have then you know what I mean. One more important point- Have you ever considered the fact that we are STILL EVOLVING?


Updated Thoughts Mar 9th. at 7:16:39 pm UTC

Mysteries' Child (WV) Age: 28 - Email


I stand by what I said (however badly) under the screen name "Ani" all those months ago.

Some people do destructive things because they don't know any better... and those people can be reached and changed on a person-by-person basis.

Some people do destructive things in spite of the fact that they know better, because they have actively and willfully chosen destructiveness. Maybe they can be reached and changed too-- I've certainly contemplated reaching out to the bunch of cultist creeps that prompted that post, and so many others-- but I consider it highly doubtful and deeply dangerous.

If they're doing something illegal... well, consider the level of harm. A bunch of people who want to get together and smoke up in the name of the Goddess really aren't worth calling the cops on. A bunch of people who want to teach 8-year-olds to smoke up in the name of knowing the Goddess better, on the other hand...

A bunch of people who want to slice up kitty-cats in the name of personal empowerment, on the other hand...

A bunch of people who want to vandalize churches to "teach those stupid Christians something, " on the other hand...

A bunch of people who want to get together and practice collective ritual mutilation in the name of gaining personal power thru the favor of demons who feed on the pain (been there, managed to avoid actually doing that) , on the other hand...

On that last one, don't bother calling the cops unless both legal adults and legal children are involved. Consensual mutilation may be sick and sad, but it's not a crime. If you find yourself in a situation relatable to that one, GET OUT and GET PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING.

If you can't afford that, GET OUT and find a relatively healthy friend to talk to. And if you haven't got a relatively healthy friend, EMAIL ME!! I'll listen. Link to More info related to this post -- HERE


The Real Witch Hunt Begins. Jun 13th. at 2:59:20 am UTC

Perrin (Lower Hades) Age: 29 - Email


Merry Mournings to all,
You asked for the bad penny to turn up with this one, so I did. Poblem children amoungst the Wiccans, & yet some still dare to call us witches, & cry out for our necks in a noose, I used to think that was behind us, but after what happened in Paris I cann't think on how else to put it we are still at risk. Yes there are perverts & creeps out there & in here, how to deal with them should depend upon what they did, if it is a serious matter which involved some 1 forcing oneself upon another then that person should ba burried alive if it started as a lie & escalated that person should be burried in an active volcanoe as a sacrifice, & finally woe to the person who swindles the elderly he should be thrown out of a building thirty stories up, & if we followed these principles there would be fewer problems, & therefore fewer problem children, but no 1 is going to do that so we just burry our heads in the sand & hope it all goes away in the end, which it will but not the way we want it to.
Blessed be to all,
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