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Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
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Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election
This week's Pagan Perspective question is a redux of one that we asked about at the beginning of August... And we apologize in advance to our non-United States readers that we have again brought up an issue that is rather exclusive to just one country, but feel free to comment on the shenanigans of the American political system as you see it.) Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Have you made up your mind or changed your mind? Will you vote and who-if you don't mind telling the world-are you planning to vote for? Why have you made this particular choice?
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| Yes, I Plan On Voting This Year, And I Plan On Voting... ||Oct 28th. at 8:00:52 pm UTC|
|Lizzie (Atlanta, Georgia US) ||Age: 29 |
Yes, I plan on voting this year, and I plan on voting for Harry Browne, as he is the only candidate who truly stands up for our Civil Right and Civil Liberties. Unfortunately, participation in the Presidential election is a waste of time and will be until such time as the President is elected by popular vote instead of by the Electoral College.
| Note: Posts That Contain Personal Attacks (and Related Threads That Follow) Will... ||Oct 28th. at 9:27:45 pm UTC|
|Fritz Jung (Clearwater, Florida US) ||Age: 47 - Email |
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| I Had Been All Set For Bush. After All His Father Did... ||Oct 29th. at 12:38:33 am UTC|
|Richard Midgette (West Palm Beach, Florida US) ||Age: 40 - Email |
I had been all set for Bush. After all his father did a decent job as Commander-in-Chief and his brother Jeb is seeminly doing a decent job as Govenor of Florida.
After reading his comments on Wicca, I don't want him in the position of running this country. I had never really cared much for Gore, but he didn't actually voice an opinon on Wicca. So, it's hard to tell where he stands.
I have feeling that I, along with many others, will be forced to chose the lesser evil.
| I Personally Refuse To Accept "the Lesser Of Two Evils". My Concience... ||Oct 29th. at 1:05:06 am UTC|
|Isis Macnamara (Greenville, South Carolina US) ||Age: 22 - Email |
I personally refuse to accept "the lesser of two evils". My concience will not allow me to cast a vote for a candidate I do not believe in. I am torn in this election because I range from being ambivalent to outright hostile towards the two main candidates. Bush's comment on witchcraft not being a "real" religion left me incensed and frankly a little nervous that this man is as close as he is to being the most powerful man in the country. Where does that leave us if e is elected and the president is essentially saying we are kooks? On the other hand, Gore just doesn't appeal to me, he hasn't said much of anything that I have whole heartedly agreed with. IF I vote at all (and I'll get into why I might not in a second) I will be voting for Ralph Nader. My first time voting was the last presidential election, and before it was even a celebrity endorsed grassroots campain, I voted for him. My feelings were and still are that he shaowed himself, through his cosumer advocacy, someone who genuinly cares about the well being of people. That is more than I can say for most politicians who are all phonies, saying what we want to hear so they'll get elected. I may not vote at all because as I said I cannot morally concience voting for a candidate I do not believe in, BUT the campain for Nader IS proving to be pulling votes away from Gore and thus enhancing Bush. So I don't know what I'll be doing. Untill I do, I'll get off the soapbox for now.
| I Originally Started Out Intending To Vote For Harry Brown, The Libertarian... ||Oct 29th. at 8:01:32 am UTC|
|Sheila Guthrie (aka Thistle) (Burlington) ||Age: 42 |
I originally started out intending to vote for Harry Brown, the Libertarian candidate, but after following the Bush/Gore debates, decided to vote for Gore and Leiberman. Mainly because Al Gore has some good ideas about preserving the ecology, and ways to get this country away from fossil fuels and towards alternative energy sources. Also, from what I gather, he will uphold the Constitutional rulings about religious freedom, and the abortion rights bill, among others. Frankly, George W. scares the living daylights out of me! Any man who would smugly smile about how many times he's signed a death penalty order, well, I don't think he's the right person to have in Washington with his hand on the nuclear button, so to speak. So, that's my politcal plan, and I'm sticking to it, lol. Brightest Blessings, Thistle.
| Well, In The Beginning I Was Looking To Support Bush. His Dad... ||Oct 29th. at 2:07:00 pm UTC|
|Zandra Nightmoon (Tacoma, Washington US) ||Age: 26 - Email |
Well, in the beginning I was looking to support Bush. His Dad did a great job and he seemed like a nice man. But that quickly changed when Bush opened his mouth! He just scares me to death...If he is voted into office, I feel our rights as people will be taken away. Some people don't realize that the next President will get to appoint 4 new Court Justices. If Bush is in office...do you think he will choose Justices that will believe as he does? YUP! And we all know that Bush is opposed to Wicca and Witchcraft. So, what does that mean for us?
Another major issue for me is abortion rights...We also know that Bush is Pro-Life. And we all know that Roe vs. Wade and the Supreme Court changed the abortion laws in the early 70's. Well, if that can happen then...it can be changed right back. So, if Bush wants to take away a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body, what else can he take away from us? Our right to think? I want the freedom to practice MY religion and the freedom to choose what I do with my body. These are very important issues for me, as a woman and as a Witch. So, I am going to vote for GORE. I am not entirely sure that he is the best man for the position of president..But he is the lesser of the two evils in my eyes. Okay, there is my 5 cents on the matter...Bye for now! Blessings to all! )0(
| I Think Both The Candidates Are Absolute Bone-heads - Unfortunately, My Perspective Is... ||Oct 29th. at 2:22:23 pm UTC|
|C Loucks (Cohoes, New York US) ||Age: 37 |
I think both the candidates are absolute bone-heads - unfortunately, my perspective is, if you don't vote, then you shouldn't complain because you have not participated in the process. I will probably vote for Mr. Gore only because since the Democrats have been in office the economy overall does seem to have been better - not in my particular case as I am filing bankruptcy - but that was not due to anything that the government had done.
| I Read This In A Book I By Robert Fulghum, I Quote... ||Oct 29th. at 4:53:34 pm UTC|
|Joe Sykes (Hemet, California US) ||Age: 50 |
I read this in a book I by Robert Fulghum, I quote "The closest I ever come to angry violence is in the presence of someone who says he will not even bother to vote because it doesn't make any difference". He goes on to say "He's typical of those who have a shallow view of history- those who don't understand that nobody has a right to ride on the bus without making some contribution to the cost of the journey. They don't respect the fact that somebody else paid the price to build the vehicle of civilization in the first place. They owe. We owe. It's a moral obligationto participate in the work of society. If you take from the pot, you must put into the pot."
I do not like either major candidate. The other candidates don't inspire me either. I will still vote. There is much more on the ballot than the presidential choices. Those issues are just as important as choosing the next leader of our country.
| I Have Already Cast My Absentee Ballot For The Green Party Candidates... ||Oct 29th. at 5:19:46 pm UTC|
|Joanna Hautin-Mayer (Denver, Colorado US) ||Age: 35 |
I have already cast my absentee ballot for The Green Party Candidates: Nader/LaDuke.
My philosophical views tend to be very liberal and socialistic.While I initially thought to vote for Gore, I began to find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between the "values" of the Democratic Party and those espoused by the Republicans.I am persuaded that there is no real significant difference between them; both are simply two aspects of the Rich Man's Party.
Nevertheless I must stress that we ALL have an obligation to vote. We can no longer pretend that politics has no effect on us simply because we may play at being "magickal". If we honestly intend to be taken seriously, we had better start acting in a serious manner.
| Lesser Of Two Evils? Why Not! When You Put It In That... ||Oct 29th. at 7:50:42 pm UTC|
|Eli (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) ||Age: 18 |
Lesser of two evils? Why not! When you put it in that perspective, Gore pretty much has to win because he believes in our rights and Bush believes out rights should be limited to those the wealthy, conservative, special interest groups think we should be allowed. If lesser of two evils is the only argument that gets you to vote, and for Gore, then do it.
In my opinion the two evils in this election are George W. and Ralph Nader, both men who talk real nice but can and will do nothing to get it done, not that Nader will ever ever ever get the chance. And the matching funding he seeks for the next election by getting five percent of the vote means nothing, Perot got twenty percent of the vote the first time, got the matching funding, and only did half as well the second time around. And Nader isn't even doing as well as Perot the second time, and that's pathetic, and frankly although Perot was crazy he could certainly have run this country better than Nader, who has virtually no experience. Nader's views sound nice enough but in reality he could accomplish nothing against an essentially bipartisan Congress, with few third party Senators or Representatives. They would shut him down, regardless of who was in the majority.
Gore is an honest and experienced leaders who quite frankly deserves to win this, he has fought for us in Washington for a quarter century and spent the last eight years as the only man I know of to ever bring pride and true political power to the office of Vice President, which used to be looked at as little more than the Queen of England with less fanfare. Don't let 'em tell you he lies, he never claimed to have invented the internet, he merely said that he was one of the strongest voices in the development of the early military technology and the later telecommunications revolution that brought the internet to every household, and the man who actually did invent the internet endorsed Gore and agreed with claims of being a major force in the creation of the internet. As for what he said in the first debate, he said he had been to Texas with James Lee Witt to check out disaster scenes, and in fact that time he was with Witt's Press Secretary and only briefed on the extent of the damage without actually going to check them out himself. However, there were numerous occassions where Gore and Witt actually did travel together to survey disaster sites, and he merely confused one instance with several others, not a lie nor an intentional exxageration nor very much of an exxageration at all on his part. Gore has the right views and can get things done, and will work tirelessly to keep this the strongest economy in American history. What he lacks in personality he makes up for in commitment and depth of knowledge, and as far as I'm concerned he lacks very little that regard, he's just a little boring sometimes and that's no reason not to vote for him. Besides, you can see he's getting better, his public speeches are becoming more moving and less agonizing all the time.
Elect Gore to President, Hillary to the Senate, and give the democrats a congressional majority and this country will be on the best path it has ever been on.
| Oh My, Where Do I Begin? I Have Been A Practicing Witch... ||Oct 30th. at 12:36:31 am UTC|
|Becky Fain (Florissant, Missouri US) ||Age: 35 |
Oh my, where do I begin? I have been a practicing witch for almost a year now, so I am new to the Pagan Community. I too am concerned for the preservation of our environment and natural resources. HOWEVER, I am convinced that if Al Gore is elected president, it will be the beginning of the slow process of the erosion of all of our rights under the constitution. This is a man who wants to expand our government to the greatest extent in our nation's history, 4 TRILLION dollars, that's twelve zeros. George Bush's comments about Witchcraft not being a religion disturbs me as well, as well as his abortions stances. I don't believe that you are going to find that you agree with everything a candidate stands for. But instead of just getting mad at GW for his statements why hasn't someone from the Pagan Community sought him out to explain why he is incorrect?! Isnt't that what we have been fighting for these past 300 years or so? Is a little education so far out of the question? I think not. When I see George W. Bush a see an honest real man, not the man the mainstream media has tried to portray. Do we really want a man who will so obviously lie("I invented the internet.") running the country? I for one DO NOT! For anyone else
out there who is of the same opinion, and I guess I am one of very few, I am looking for a nice "Pagans for Bush" group. I can't believe that I am the only Witch who can very clearly see the similarities between conservatism and Paganism. It's very simple. They are both about personal responsibility, and taking the heat for your own actions, not letting someone else, including your government, run your life.
| First I Would Like To Say That I Am Wholehearedly Disappointed, Profoundly... ||Oct 30th. at 1:00:41 am UTC|
|Jessi White (Brooklyn, New York US) ||Age: 19 - Email |
First I would like to say that I am wholehearedly disappointed, profoundly shocked, and enormously disturbed by people who say they are staying home on November 7th. As an African-American, and as a woman, I am thrilled to be partaking in my first presidential election as a registered voter. Far too many people have marched, fought, shed tears, bled and even died for this precious right that so many Americans seem to take for granted. No matter who you choose to vote for, VOTE. Let's not forget that the very concept of democracy was born in a Pagan culture, and as an ancestor-honoring religion, to stay home and not exercise the right that our ancestors paid lifeprice for (no matter what color your ancestors are, this is true) would be a slap in the face to them.
That having been said, I am a staunch Democrat, and to me the choice we face on November 7th, contrary to what the talking heads on the Sunday morning shows and newspaper pundits have been saying for months, is quite clear. I was born in 1981, at the very beginning of the Reagan-Bush era. My parents were divorced fairly early on in my life, and my mother struggled as a single parent to feed and clothe me, and to put my older sister through college on a VA nurse's salary. There were times when we did without, but we got by. Many of our friends, relatives, and neighbors were not so lucky. Many of them had to take two and three jobs just to put food on the table, in crumbling homes they could not afford to repair, in neighborhoods devastated by urban blight.
Regardless of your personal opinions about them as people, when the Clinton-Gore administration came in 1992, they pulled this country back from the utter brink. Even the staunchest of Clinton-haters must give at least that bit of credit. Al Gore, as was mentioned earlier, was instrumental in a lot of the policies which we are reaping the benefits of today. He brought more power and influence to the office of Vice-President than anyone imagined. He is a man who knows how to get things done, and has worked tirelessly to do so. Sure, he has his flaws, who doesn't? But to me, he is clearly the best qualified for the job. I don't see this as a "lesser of two evils" at all.
Bush II at the helm of this country would be an unmitigated disaster, and anyone who doesn't realize that after looking at the facts is either too partisan to be objective or plainly put, stupid. "Shrubya" is a spoiled, incompetent frat-boy looking to stage the biggest kegger in history at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., one that will last for at least 4 years. Not only is he stupid, which is dangerous in and of itself, but the fact that he picked one of his father's cabinet members as his running mate suggests just how beholden he is to his father's conservative cronies. Make no mistake people: Shrubya will *not* be president if elected--the women-hating, gay-bashing, bible-thumping, conservatives of his inner circle will be.
I can not fathom why there are Pagans out there who are voting for Bush when he has stated, not once but twice now, that he believes Wicca is not a religion and therefore our rights don't matter. The first time was during the Fort Hood debacle over Witches in the Military, and the second was in the recent web Q/A thing. Why would you possibly vote for a man who believes your valued, treasured beliefs are not valid and not worthy of protection? As for his economic plan, it is little more than the ill-concieved "trickle-down" economics of Reagan, which by the way was completely dismissed as a farce and completely disastrous by the very man who came up with it--a Reaganite, btw. Do you know what "trickle-down" means? It's the upper 1% pissing on the rest of us. The "compassionate conservatism" of Shrubya is an umbrella made of gauze.
As for Nader, while he does have some good ideas, the fact is that on many key social issues he has been completely silent. And, on the off-chance that this is Bizarro World and he would get elected, does anyone honestly think he'd be able to get anything done in Washington regardless of who wins (or retains) control of Congress? We know that Nader hates corporate America. What about his foreign policy? What about his stances on so many other issues? The people I know who are pro-Nader have really failed to address this. And whether you like it or not, a vote for Nader *is* a vote for Bush. Let's not kid ourselves. Bush is counting on a split of the traditional Democratic base (as well as the McCanites) to get him elected, and for good reason. Naderites, I ask you this: If (when) Nader loses, would you rather have Bush or Gore in office? I thought so. Even the matching funds issue is a moot point. Another person pointed this out better than I could.
In the end, I will be voting enthusiastically for Al Gore on Nov. 7th, and enthusastically against Shrubya, his daddy, and their fundie cronies.
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