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Question of the Week: 19 - 12/18/2000

What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?

Okay, the United States has a new President-Elect. And that's all that we here at TWV are gonna say about that! What do YOU think about our latest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?

 Reponses:   There are 61 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


I'd Just Like To Say That Thank The Lord And Lady That... Dec 18th. at 10:28:44 pm UTC

Meridian . . . looking forward to a (hopefully) long career in the GOP. (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 18


I'd just like to say that thank the Lord and Lady that the better man won, and Gore was unable to steal the election despite attemtps to force selective counts involving heavily Democratic volunteers tampering with ballots.

So Bush doesn't like my religious beliefs? So what? So I may have to deal with Christianity being shoved in my face? Nothing would change that! Bush or Gore. You all seem to forget that Gore was the one that said his domestic policy would be guided by the phrase, "what would Jesus do?" and Liberman quoted the Bible more than any right winger ever. Apparently the tolerance of many pagans for differing religious views only extends to Democrats. The same is true of our media. But we should view religion and politics as separate. Nothing anyone can do can destroy my beliefs; they exist in the silent places of my heart, the trees in the forest, and the smells of a Samhain cauldron. They are non-negotiable and not part of politics. Bottom line: he's not going to do anything that could hurt my faith and I shutter to think what Gore might have accomplished had he stolen the office. I agree with Bush on almost every other issue and actually campaigned a bit for him despite living in the hopelessly misguided and tyrannical state of Massachusetts. Gore was the real distrustful hater here. And it saddens me to see the responses on this page.
Blessed Be,

Meridian . . . looking forward to a (hopefully) long career in the GOP.


I'm Disappointed That Bush Is President, But It's Done And There's Nothing... Dec 18th. at 10:51:46 pm UTC

Bryony Ravenwillow (Independence, Missouri US) Age: 32 - Email


I'm disappointed that Bush is president, but it's done and there's nothing we can do about it for the next four years. All I can say is that now is a time for heightened vigilance. Even though the House and Senate are virtually equal in terms of Republicrats and Demoblicans, the folks who financed Bush's campaign and paid his way into office will do their damndest to get their agendas worked into the system, no matter how small. We must be alert to what's going on. What environmental bills will be introduced? How can we aid (or fight) their passage? The environmental angle is only an example. There are many pagans who feel passionately about certain topics (the environment, religious freedom, reproductive rights, etc), and to my knowledge Bush (or the people who speak through him) oppose almost all of them. Yes, I still believe that Bush is merely a figurehead, and that any decisions made in the White House will not be of his doing, but of those who paid to get him there.

If anything else, the election proved that we have a flawed system in desperate need of overhauling. The Florida fiasco showed that. I still think that if the hand recount had been allowed to continue, Gore might still be our president-elect instead of a dimbulb who just happened to know people who could pull the right strings. We need campaign reform, and we need a univeral system of voting, where the people in Missouri or California vote in exactly the same way as the people in Florida and New Hampshire. No more butterfly ballots. No more dimpled or pregnant chads. A system where if a person voted for Bush or Nader or whoever, the people counting the votes would unequivocably KNOW that the vote was intended for Bush or Nader or whoever the person voted for. As it stands, I agree with what one person wrote in my local paper's editorial page...."Well, at least it was a bloodless coup."
Maybe in four years more people will get out and vote....then again, maybe this whole debacle has turned off more people than ever to the political process. Sad to think that this may be Bush's greatest legacy.

Love and Light,

Bryony


I Am One Of The Only People That I Know Of Who... Dec 19th. at 9:34:24 am UTC

Tony (Tampa, Florida US) Age: 28 - Email


I am one of the only people that I know of who considers the extended electoral process that we have just witnessed to be a positive thing. It has placed such a spotlight on the upcoming administration that, regardless of who had won, there is now much less chance for damage to be done. Such damage as may be done will be the result of inaction, not overaction -- which is what I had feared from either of the main candidates.


I Can't Believe This Bush Bozo Actually Pulled This Off (scratching Head... Dec 19th. at 10:03:47 am UTC

mike sullivan (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 27


I can't believe this Bush Bozo actually pulled this off (scratching head)...

This is a reality that I am trying to digest. It is clear that he doesn't have the savy or smarts to do this job, I am shocked that so many think that he does. The upside is that most of those that DID vote din't want him in office, I hope he realizes this and that his puppetiers try to convert us skeptics with some real "compassion". My gut feel is that they don't care about us (non republicans) and NOW that they run the show, they will do everything that they can get away with.

They blew over 50 million of OUR money and wasted almost a year trying to take down mr. bill. Should we do the same? Is THAT the game?

The voters down in florida got screwed big time. The republicans blocked all efforts at a recount and ran the clock out.

So mr. bush what's first?

tax cuts for the rich?
eliminating a woman's right to choose?
prayer in school?
cash for Christian schools
more exicutions?
oil drilling off our shores?

My usual positive nature has taken a hit with this travesty of an "election"...

I will NOT go quietly into the night.


Bush Won And I Couldn't Be Happier. Our Men And Women In... Dec 19th. at 10:26:52 am UTC

SkyeOwl (Hammond, Louisiana US) Age: 36 - Email


Bush won and I couldn't be happier. Our men and women in the armed forces can now look at their leader with respect and dignity. George Bush doesn't believe that wicca is a religion. SO WHAT? How and when I practice my religion ISN'T determined by who wins elections. I take comfort in the fact that we can look forward to honest tax relief and not all of these so called "targeted" tax cuts that many are not even qualified to get. It's a great day for America in my opinion.


Phew... It's Just About Over, Folks. I Can't Say That I'm Happy... Dec 19th. at 2:14:55 pm UTC

Candle Ogham (Sacile, Italy) Age: 22 - Email


Phew... it's just about over, folks. I can't say that I'm happy about the results at all, I am a die hard liberal political junkie. I vote democrat b/c I'm a very left wing kind of woman. I don't like any of Bush's tax cut proposals, I think his private school vouchers are the worst idea I've ever heard, and I hate his stand on the environment. (kicks soap box aside). However, he's our president-elect now and I happen to be a big fan of democracy so I'm going to grab myself a cup of coffee and watch him. Note to self: make sure Claris Works is in good condition, I see myself writing alot of "What the hell are you thinking?" letters. Aaaaaaah...I love this country!


In 1555 Nostradamus Wrote: Come The Millenium Year, Month 12, In The... Dec 19th. at 2:41:55 pm UTC

Rhiannon Gwendolyn (Reno, Nevada US) Age: 29


In 1555 Nostradamus wrote:

Come the Millenium year, month 12,
in the home of greatest power,
the village idiot will come forth
to be acclaimed the leader.

I personally can't see changing such a good prediction in any way. I believe it has come forth as truth.

Blessed Be~
Rianna


I Think That It's About Time This Fiasco Was Over. I Don't... Dec 19th. at 3:52:09 pm UTC

Richard Gant (Northern Kentucky University, Kentucky US) Age: 29 - Email


I think that it's about time this fiasco was over. I don't like George W. Bush, Jr and I can't say I'm happy he won. But, on the other hand, I didn't like Al Gore either. I'd be equally as annoyed if *he* had won, so it doesn't really matter either way. Now we just need to get over it, and remember that who the President is has (or shold have) very little bearing on whether or not we live a good life.


It's A Pool With Few Fish, All Of Them Sharks. I Think... Dec 19th. at 8:21:40 pm UTC

angeleno (Redwood City, California US) Age: 54 - Email


It's a pool with few fish, all of them sharks.

I think Governor Bush shows a mediocre mind. I think his manner of appointment is shameful. The shame is the Supreme Court's not Dubya's. I can't fault a man for running and playing the game hard. I do fault the Court, and the guy who appointed the idiots who, wait a second, wasn't that Dubya's daddy? O O!

I dislike his putative comment that Witchcraft is not a religion and shouldn't be encouraged. However, we can live without his encouragement. Wiping out The Craft is like cleaning up jello with a hammer. It just spreads further.

My hope, and expectation, is that we will return a Democratic Congress in two years time and thereby hold the fort until we can get rid of Dubya. Maybe, just maybe, the Demos will find a better candidate.

I truly fear for The Republic and the country I love, but I've seen worse in my time and we got through. My consolation is that if you add Gore and Nader votes we get a moderate majority for liberal policies.

But hell, Maybe Strom Thurmond will croak, the democratic governor will appoint a democrat and the Senate will go Democratic. That would at least prevent the appointment of any more conservatives to the Court.

So my advice to my Sisters and Brothers is VOTE and WORK for change.

angeleno


It Was A Strange Campaign. Bush, The Candidate Who Cheated To Get... Dec 19th. at 11:18:57 pm UTC

Merryweather (Saint Augustine, Florida US) Age: 65


It was a strange campaign. Bush, the candidate who cheated to get into the National Guard (and then went awol for a year) was proclaimed the supporter of the military. Gore, on the other hand, actually went to Vietnam (as an army journalist). He was portrayed as someone who was somehow against the military.

Bush, a self-described party boy until his 40s, campaigned on "taking responsibility" and "upholding moral values" against straight-arrow Gore.

Then, after Gore won the most electoral votes and the most popular votes in the rest of the country, and when the vote in Florida was too close to call (a tiny fraction of 1% difference) Bush was portrayed as the winner, and Gore as the whining loser. It is almost as if a spell was working (or a very good advertising machine).

I think we had best all get together frequently during the coming years and do
"protect the environment" spells and "protect us against the Supreme Court" spells. We are going to need them.


Back In The Late Eighties A Comedian Said, "we've Picked Nothing But... Dec 20th. at 1:06:25 am UTC

Sine Nomine (Unnamed - for now) (Myrtle Beach, South Carolina US) Age: 26


Back in the late eighties a comedian said, "We've picked nothing but losers for the past 200 years. I thought Nixon and Carter were the bottom of the barrel; but here comes Dan Quayle to show that if you lift up the barrel..." My reaction is that someone started *digging* underneath the barrel to find both Mr. Bush and Mr. Gore. Seems we've continued the legacy of incompetence.

This can turn into a volley of insults in a big hurry, so I'll stop here.

Most people said that it seemed like a choice for the lesser of two evils.
At any rate, I didn't vote for either of them.

BTW, I'm a bit surprised I don't see any mention of the Libertarian party in this discussion.


Well, I Was Not Too Impressed With Either Candidates. I Don't Think... Dec 20th. at 3:15:28 am UTC

Amberfire (Fargo, North Dakota US) Age: 36 - Email


Well, I was not too impressed with either candidates. I don't think that either one will be too, good for the country. However, I am happy that the whole thing is finished finally! I think that we (as a country)need to rethink the whole electoral college thing. I think that we should just elect the president with the popular vote.

It is ridiculous to think that our votes don't really count. I did not like Mr. Bush's father when he was in office. I also, do not think that I will like this President Bush either. (But, for now I will hold that opinion back until he actually takes office.

Lady Amberfire


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