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Where Are The Pagan Social Programs? Do We Care?

Pagans have been put in the somewhat uncomfortable position of being asked about their own social programs. Granting that modern public Paganism is only about fifty-years-old (and the Gods know that we have had many credible reasons for keeping a low profile for most of that time), is there need in the Pagan communities for social or charitable outreach programs? Do you know of any in your area? Do you have an idea for one? What needs do you see in the communities that such programs might address (such as food pantries, Pagan baby-sitting or child-care, counseling). Do Pagans have some unique ideas that might carry over into programs to benefit the general public as well as the Pagan communities themselves? Do we even care about social programs?

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On Some Level We All Care About Social Programs. Perhaps Not In... Feb 7th. at 9:44:41 am EST

Edward Hardison (Winston-Salem, North Carolina US) Age: 27 - Email

On some level we all care about social programs. Perhaps not in an organized fashion as the term suggests, but in "our own way". With proper credit to modern Paganism, we are all aware of the social interventions performed by our ancestors as healers, counselors and guardians. Were such practices not "social programs"? At least to the extent that they were able to perform those tasks in any given town/social setting. My personal journey, thankfully, has been well steeped in history. I was and continue to be warmed by the ongoing determination shown by our ancestors to help others around them. In the truest sense of our Nature, I would argue that our continuing goal was-is-and should the same as it always has been. Personally I do not feel the need for recognition in what I do for others. There is a greater redemption for me in the simple act of helping. We are all aware of the stigma, albeit varied in different locales, that is quick to be stamped on any public communion of Wiccans. Would our "purpose" and dedication not be better served to work as we have for ages before?

I Don't Know How Much Federal Funding A Pagan Program Would Ever... Feb 7th. at 7:47:59 pm EST

Ceridwen (Austin, Texas US) Age: 28

I don't know how much federal funding a pagan program would ever get because there would be such fear that we were using our shelter/soup kitchen/thrift store or whatever as a place to indoctrinate or coerce people to follow our path. Not that I've ever known a pagan or Wiccan to try to recruit the way other faiths do, but I've been made only to well aware of those who believe we do.

There's other ways to get these things off the ground though, there was a story on 20/20 last week focusing on people that were doing community work without federal funding. Turns out a lot of them actually stopped taking funding because following all the rules and regulations that came with it were making their projects too costly and complicated (there goes bureaucracy again, with all its nasty ways).

As for projects I'd like to see happen: setting up shelters for pagan kids thrown out of their homes for their beliefs, education efforts to discourage people from having pagan friends/relatives institutionalized or deprogrammed, that list just goes on and on. As for other kinds of community help, I think most people following pagan paths just kind of naturally gravitate into places where they can do some good in the world. It would just be nice if we were safer being openly ourselves when we're out in that world...

I Agree With Robert Albee. Giving Our Support, In Noticable Numbers If... Feb 7th. at 7:56:29 pm EST

Awena Llwyndyrys (Murray, Utah US) Age: 23 - Email

I agree with Robert Albee. Giving our support, in noticable numbers if you want the recognition, to the secular and liberal organizations would be the cautious and wise way to do this. Once the liberal Christians and Jews are more accepted and widespread, (as well as secular groups) the next natural step is to see Pagans as the wonderful people they are. Let us strengthen our allies, and later they will help us grow in whatever way we want, lending their resources...when we're really ready.

Why strike out on our own to build a fort for ourselves, if we can just help make the world non-hostile...we're not great at fort-building anyway. There lies the magick: shape the situation, don't react to it.

If I had a circle I'd be organizing them to go en masse to lend our resources to the UU's social justice pursuits, or the Reform Jews, or any who share our outlook and tolerant nature.

Do what you know,

As Much As I Luve The Idea Of Having Charitable Outreaching Programs... Feb 7th. at 9:00:38 pm EST

NightTiger (Liverpool, New York US) Age: 16 - Email

As much as I luve the idea of having charitable outreaching programs, it's a little hard when we are spread thin. I know a lot of colleges have groups which do charitable things as well as a group up here in Central New York which visits nursing homes. We do what we can but we can't do everything over night! I would really wish to start a teenage group this summer if my parents approve and are willing to help me. Maybe if I do start some group we can start some charity things toos. I donno, I'm pretty busy now with volleyball and just school to worry. I'll have to see.
Bright Blessings all

Hi, All!; Does Paganism Need Social Programs? Having Always Viewed Witchcraft/paganism... Feb 7th. at 9:55:30 pm EST

Tarostar (Toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 58 - Email

Hi, All!;

Does Paganism need social programs?

Having always viewed Witchcraft/Paganism as an alternative to the mainstream, I do not comprehend why some "Pagans" want to incorporate
the mainstream into Paganism.

Can we not disengage civil from religious and take advantage of the Govt.
programs already available for social services? Do we have to have social programs identified as specifically "Pagan"?

We suppose xtian fundies would use Federal money to provide social programs, but refuse to pass up an opportunity to "preach" to a captive audience of non-believers applying for these services. Would Pagans be any different?

Since some "Pagans" want to emulate the mainstream, I can not see them
not engaging in religious dialog with xtians requiring a social service Pagans may be getting Federal money to provide.

Learn from Europe's Jews; take care of your own community for charitable needs and always keep your "getting-out-of-town-money" at hand, because, no matter how benevolent a Govt. may claim itself to be, at any moment in Time and Space it can turn on you.

We already see some "religious" characters who would accept Govt. money for their church's charitable outreach, and expecting to be tax-exempt also!!!

Let them have Govt. money, IF they pay taxes like everyone else, but not otherwise.

Govt. money begets Govt. control and accountability. One of two things would be prostituted to that end; either the religion or the religious administrators.

The best way to destroy Paganism is to make it officially acceptable.

Such a govenmental acceptance turned Xtianity into a persecuting harlot, not so? Think, people! BB Tarostar

I Agree With The Many That Have Voiced Their Opinions. One Very... Feb 8th. at 10:23:23 am EST

Kerridwen Irismoon (Bangor , Maine US) Age: 24

I agree with the many that have voiced their opinions. One very important aspect of the Craft and Paganism to me is that we do not go out "recruiting". The Craft is something you're drawn to, that either you search out or searches you out. I fail to see where a leap into mainstream would assist our efforts any. I'm from a small town, and there are no "Pagan" social programs that I'm aware of. However, I would dare say that a good number of the pagan community are volunteers in some charity or another. What difference does it make if it's labeled as specifically Pagan or not? As long as we're giving back to the earth, our brothers and sisters, and the community at large, those are the important things. All things to honor the Lord and Lady, not ourselves! We are not a community that capitalizes on government money, nor should we. As long as we fund our own venues we control our own venues. The day Pagans and the government share control of the Craft is the day I go searching for a new planet!

Anyone Who Looks Upon Their Communities With Open Eyes Will See There... Feb 8th. at 1:59:24 pm EST

Venkah (Rutland, Vermont US) Age: 20 - Email

Anyone who looks upon their communities with open eyes will see there is always a need for charitable programs. Even here, where I live within a three block radius of 7 different churches I see the needs. Not all social programs need huge government grants to function. How much money does it take to mentor a child? To "adopt a grandparent" from a nursing home? Its not about money, its about taking the time to be compassionate. Every person has a skill or a gift that could benifit his/her community, but it all comes down to that last question. Do they care?

I Think That Pagan Social Programs Are Important Whether It Be Counsling... Feb 8th. at 5:53:11 pm EST

Woman of the Wolf Dream Dance (Langley AFB, Virginia US) Age: 21

I think that Pagan Social Programs are important whether it be counsling, child care, legal, or providing a local study group. Many pagans especially moving into a new area feel that they are alone. With programs like these, it not only helps fill the needs of the pagans, but it helps pagans network and unite amongst each other. From a military pagan perspective, i feel that the more people who step out and say "We are here for you" helps because in this world of rank and "Yes Sir and No Ma'am" it eases a little bit of tension and helps full fill some spiritual needs. It is very lonely sometimes being the squadrons only pagan, but with the discussion group we have on base .. i don't feel alone. Even if most of the time we hang out and talk about everything but Wicca or paganism (ie: work, politics and debating over what beer is better) it fills an emptiness. It makes us feel that we are not alone and we can all stick together when the crap hits the fan.

Actually, I Think Pagans Are Rather More Charitable And Socially Concerned Per-capita... Feb 9th. at 10:27:47 pm EST

Aedh Rua (Prophetstown, Illinois US) Age: 35 - Email

Actually, I think Pagans are rather MORE charitable and socially concerned per-capita than non-Pagans. You have to consider, there is an entire Pagan subculture (or is that sub-subculture?) of activists. I know literally dozens of them, the most socially concerned people one would ever want to meet, even irritatingly so. This last is not meant as an insult, by the way, just an observation that saints are often too intense for their less committed friends.
How many Pagans, for example, are active in the anti-nuke movement, or in envirnmental movements, or in feminism, or rape-crisis centers, or various other movements? It would not shock me if it was more than a quarter of the entire Pagan population.

Now, when I say active, I mean that these are people who literally build their entire lives around activism. What percentage of Christians are willing to live in hippy-poverty in order to help others? Pagans care more and more intensely about their world than any other group of people of whom I am aware.

The Christians have drummed into our heads for two thousand years that they are angels of compassion and that Pagans are cold and selfish. I think on some level a lot of us really believe it, but it's simply not true.

Not only this, it has NEVER been true. The Roman emperors were a bloody minded and corrupt lot, but just how many Romans did they feed out of their own pockets? A million, perhaps? Ancient Gaulish nobles would compete to see who could be the most generous. One, a guy by the name of Ariamnes, in Galatea, fed his entire tribe, rich and poor alike, for a year. The temples of healing deities were also hospitals, in a number of cultures. The ancient Pagans of Europe left a legacy of great art, public buildings, public baths, libraries, and so on.

Throughout the entire Middle Ages, Christiandom never even came CLOSE to this level of giving, this level of caring. Life in the West only began to become humane again during and after the Enlightenment, precisely when Christianity was being jettisoned in favor of science.

In short, we have absolutely no reason to be ashamed, and every reason to be proud. We're the good guys, dammit!

As For Charitable Outreach Programs, I Think That First We Should Reinforce... Feb 10th. at 2:25:13 am EST

Ravenwind (Shakopee, Minnesota US) Age: 20 - Email

As for charitable outreach programs, I think that first we should reinforce the ones that already exist. there are already thousands of them out there. THey are programs like the make a wish foundation or meals on weals. they may not be Pagan programs but that doesn't make them less worthy. Instead of creating our own charity drives, why not work to improve the ones that exist. One of the best ways to be charitable is to ask your local catholic church how to become involved with the programs they have. Many of you may not like that idea but I've learned that it is also a great way to show people that pagan religions are not evil but infact a posative religion.

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