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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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This Is More Than Terrifying, There Is No Word For It. I... Sep 11th. at 8:19:02 pm EDT

Erica (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 18


This is more than terrifying, There is no word for it. I wake up go to work and this is the first thing I hear. I may not know people in NYC or any were else but Chicago is where I live and I fear that we are going to be next. Right now I am mourning the lost of so many Americans. I am shocked and comfused I really don't know what to think honestly. I guess there is only one thing to do; we should take the time to recognize what we have and be thankful to the Lord and Lady. I feel that this is essential to living. I send my condolences to those who've lost their family members in the termoil of cowards.
I hope the Goddess shines brightly upon the injured and hurt and even the late ones and All of you Gods Bless America!


Greetings All,i Just Wanted To Say That More Than Anyone, As... Sep 11th. at 8:19:40 pm EDT

Terri (Hudson, North Carolina US) Age: 23 - Email


Greetings All,

I just wanted to say that more than anyone, as witches we feel the pain of universe, and it hurts worse when its this close to home. What we must remember is that we are witches, and other magickal people of the community. We must use our gifts knowledge and send them out to those who are in need. Our gardians, our angels, all the things we speak and work with on a regualr basis. We should through them offer our help. The mundane things are inportant, the donating of money, and blood, but also let us band together, step in and try to keep this from becoming even more of a castrophy than it already is.

Love&Light to all
who are grieving!



Gods Bless Us For All Pulling Together In This Time!but It... Sep 11th. at 8:21:00 pm EDT

Jessica Black (Riverside, California US) Age: 33


Gods bless us for all pulling together in this time!

But it should NOT take a tragedy like this to fill our blood banks or tell those you love them how you feel.

There is no place for HATE of any RACE. Do not hate the "Arabs." I have Arabian friends who are just as mortified as anyone else! TERRORISM is ANY color! INNOCENTS of any color ARE INNOCENT. And KARMA is JUSTICE.

I cry... for our losses, for THIER losses... children are children of any color. BUT HATE IS NEGATIVE ENERGY to send out into the world... SEND ONLY GOOD ENERGY OUT THERE!

CALL FOR EDUCATION AND INTELLIGENCE. Call for love and peace.
Keep the candles burning and the energy GOOD. Its all the children OF ALL THE NATIONS have... what we give to them!

I will be in my temple the next many days with blue, black and white candles ablaze!


My Heart Goes Out To Those Who Have Lost Someone, But The... Sep 11th. at 8:21:10 pm EDT

Rev. David Screeton (North Little Rock, Arkansas US) Age: 37 - Email


My Heart goes out to those who have lost someone, but the thought that hurts the most are the Children that have been lost and the children that did not get picked up after school today. Blessed be the children


I Have Been Glued To My Tv All Day. I Was Suppose... Sep 11th. at 8:21:24 pm EDT

Moongazer04 (Muncie, Indiana US) Age: 19 - Email


I have been glued to my tv all day. I was suppose to have four classes to day. Only one was held and we watched the TV and discussed what we thought would happen. This is a scary thought for me because I have never known or wanted to know what war was. I have cousins and uncles in the Air force, an aunt, some uncles, and some cousins in the Army and countless family members and friends in the National reserves. My almsot father-in-law is a fire-fighter(but he is not going to NY) and my fiance is an emt and a fire-fighter. All of these people in my life could be affected if we go to war. This scares me...so bad, I may not have known anyone personally in NY or DC but I have cried twice today. How can one justify killing over 50, 000 people (approx)for their god. I am not bashing...I just don't understand. I don't want to believe the images on my screen. I have had to stope and quickly refocus myself so I could make it through my meetings today. I know that we will make it through this but it seemed so unreal this morning but now it is starting to sink in. Please help send energy to those in need on the east coast. Blessed be all, for we all need to be blessed today.


Most Of My Morning Had Been Spent Crowded Around The Radio In... Sep 11th. at 8:23:14 pm EDT

Megara (JXN, Michigan US) Age: 19 - Email


Most of my morning had been spent crowded around the radio in the cubicle I work
in, with the buyers and the rest of the assistants...everytime we attempted at picking up and working, something else happened. Why do I feel as if we should have known and even suspected was coming? Even though we are so shocked at the event?

My heart, and many others, bleed for this tremendous loss of life...such a tragic day...I fly our flag at half mast...


Pray To The Goddess(es) And The God(s) Tonight For All... Sep 11th. at 8:27:30 pm EDT

Deborah Carney-MacFarlane (Takoma Park, Maryland US) Age: 48 - Email


Pray to the Goddess(es) and the God(s) tonight for all the souls that have been lost in New York City. I'll be going to work again tommorrow in downtown Washington, D.C., but I AM NOT AFRAID. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself", Franklin D. Roosevelt (I stood beside this wall in his memorial after watching the smoke from the burning Pentagon rise above the river from the Virginia side of D.C.).

8:00 PM (EST), Tuesday, September 11, 2001
Enid


Disbelief... At The News Over My Radio At Work.horror... At The... Sep 11th. at 8:31:18 pm EDT

WyndeHawke (Quantico (just south of the Pentagon), Virginia US) Age: 31


Disbelief... at the news over my radio at work.

Horror... at the unimaginable loss of life.

Sorrow... for those left behind.

Fear... for an aunt and cousins who often work in NYC, for the stepsister who works for American Airlines and often rides the Boston-LA flight.

Relief... at the news that all family members are safe.

Emotional fatigue... at the information overload.

Anxiety... at being a member of the US Naval Reserves, who may be called to active duty.

"Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with me."


The Answer Is Ņi Was Working At My Computer When Jim Called... Sep 11th. at 8:33:08 pm EDT

Lhiannon (Cedar Park, Texas US) Age: 29 - Email


The answer is ŅI was working at my computer when Jim called to me from the living room.Ó The question?

ŅWhat were you doing when you heard of the attack on America?Ó

In August of 1993 I got into a car and drove from what had been my home in Staten Island, New York to a new life I hoped to make in Austin, Texas. As I crossed the Hudson River and ascended into New Jersey, the air conditioning in 1979 Caprice Classic wheezed its last ounce off cool air and I understood that my journey away from New York was not going to be pleasant or without its challenges. My reasons for leaving were many.

As I answered phones that summer in a building like many other buildings in Manhattan, I felt the ground shake beneath me. In a moment of disorientation, I glanced down the hall as others came out of their office to inquire as to whether they were the only ones that had felt the tremor. We stood, huddled, gripping the doorways and fearing that New York City had been hit by the mythical earthquake people always fantasized about but that no one ever believed would ever happen.

Someone turned on a radio, and then we knew. A bomb had exploded at the World Trade Center. We were trapped in the center of the city as subways stopped in their tracks, and a tunnel that I needed to travel through to make it to the ferry was filled with debris. I still remember sleeping in the reception room of my office, whispering to the others in the darkness, wondering why someone would do such a thing. I donÕt recall sleep ever really coming, not to any of us. The CEO and the receptionist, the rich and the poor, the Pagan and the Christian, we were united in our situation and in our fear.

I realized that I couldnÕt make it there, where bombs could blow up my future, my friends, my cats. As the depth of the terrorist plot unfolded in the subsequent days, moving seemed like a tantalizing idea. Two weeks later, the street that I lived on was evacuated because of a suspicious package on the doorstep of a doctorÕs office.

Two weeks after that, I was in a car with my seven cats and two suitcases getting as far away from New York City as I could get.

Years have gone by since I lived and worked in the urban playground that is New York. Years since I commuted on its subways, circled in Central Park, hung out in the Village, read in the back of Magickal Childe. I left it what I had been there in the city, somewhere within its asphalt streets and took off to be someone else, someplace else. I left the problems I had with my father, the failed love affair of my life, the implosion of a coven and broken friendships. I left to find myself anew, or to create a second chance.

Here I am Š married, a mother, a business owner, so far away from that twenty year old that ran away and yet I stand again behind a police line, so many miles away and yet close enough that I can turn and watch a body fall over a hundred floors to the ground.
I now hold the knowledge of what a body looks like when it is tossed by the wind, of what a plane looks like as it crashes headlong into a building. I have seen with my own eyes people that are so willing to fight for what they believe in that they will still kill anyone that stands in the path of their victory, even if I could not gaze in their eyes.

I didnÕt have to see into their eyes. I saw into the eyes of their victims.

I called my father, a man I had not spoken to in nearly three years, a man I had always sworn I would never speak to again, a man who never called me when my son went in to have open heart surgery. A man I thought I hated. I called him and spoke crying, like a child. ŅDaddy, are you alright?Ó

He stood at the back of his office building today and described the scene he was looking at, remarking over and over as if in a trance that the buildings were just gone. The skyline that fills my memories is gone. The New York of my youth is gone. ŅItÕs the most amazing thing, Jennifer. They are just not there anymore. Oh, my God, the people.Ó People walking through the streets, he said. Streaming out of the city, doing anything to get away. He tried to ask me how I was, thank me for calling, but would interrupt to describe another explosion.

He left to donate blood. I left to pick up my son at preschool, and I watched as my country shut down, my government went into hiding, and the footage of the plane continued to be rebroadcast over, and over, and over. I watched as the dreams I had over the past six months, dreams and fears of war and pain, of a change and a shift, of everything we are ever taught to fear about war were rebroadcast in slow motion.

In my mindÕs eye, I keep seeing a man in a business suit floating down 100 stories with an exploding building in the backdrop, and tears well up in my eyes again as I remember that man is someoneÕs son, the son of someone that is probably watching the footage somewhere in the United States this very night.

I look at my son. And I fear. I fear intolerance, and anger, and hatred. I fear the future, and I fear that we never learn from the past. Whether it is witches burning or Jews being gassed or Christians being eaten by lions, it is all the same. The methods of murder, the tools of hatred change with the times but in the end, in the final analysis, it is all the same. Today I mourn them all.


September 11, 2001i Woke Up This Morning To My Mother On... Sep 11th. at 8:34:26 pm EDT

April-Lyn Caouette (Hamilton, New York US) Age: 20 - Email


september 11, 2001
I woke up this morning to my mother on the phone in tears. "I just needed to hear your voice, I know that you're far away from the city [about four hours] but I just needed to hear your voice." And then she told me. I had to have her repeat herself, because I just couldn't understand. Planes flying into the World Trade Center? The pentagon? Hijackings? I soothed her in shock, "Yes I love you too" then rushed downstairs, looking for someone to tell, to confirm. Gave up, turned the TV on, conveniently set to NBC, and immediately confronted with images of dust pouring down the sides of buildings, flowing through city streets, covering the city of New York in an unnatural mist. Images flash through my head of the terror... the people in those planes who could see what was coming... and the shock of it, seeing symbols of national pride crumble to dust before my eyes. Tears streaming down my face my friend asked me if I knew someone there, but I didn't need to... people watching the TV in shock and horror, exclaimations as my housemates and other friends filtered into the TV room and saw the footage of the second collision for the first time.... the buildings collapsing... the onimous dust looming low over the city....

I really don't know how to react. I tried doing some of my reading for class today and accomplished that somewhat, but I couldn't concentrate. It doesn't really matter since they cancelled classes tomorrow. I might go to the blood drive, as much as the thought of giving blood has always scared me. And I might even go to the Catholic mass on campus tonight, just to be around others praying to their God, even if their God and mine are different


Mournful Meet: Already, Today's Catastrophe Has Been Called, "the Pearl Harbor Of... Sep 11th. at 8:40:02 pm EDT

Dag MacLugh (Mentone, California US) Age: 62 - Email


Mournful Meet:

Already, today's catastrophe has been called, "The Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century." I hope this is hyperbole and not prophecy, as Pearl Harbor was followed by a world war of almost unimaginable proportions.

I pray that our hearts be purged of hatred, and that Tyr dispense justice.

Blessed Be,

Dag MacLugh


I Am Physically About As Far As You Can Get From These... Sep 11th. at 8:45:16 pm EDT

canadian teacher (maple ridge, British Columbia CA) Age: 34 - Email


i am physically about as far as you can get from these events in north america- over on the west coast, but my classes today could deal with nothing but... however, i talked to my students about what terrorism is and tries to do; that how it wins is to disrupt and terrorise; that the way to win over these people is not through retribution, but in carrying on living, and being ourselves, and not shutting down in fear. this will prove a big day in history, but not the last. any magic i do in the next while will be towards healing this wrongness in the world, not towards hunting down and punishing. i plan to go on; living freely and peacefully. i realise this will go against the grain of many touched by today, who feel that justice must be served, that we cannot sit by, turning the other cheek, but i hold the threefold law above all in this case, and plan to let the terrorists come to appreciate it on their own. it is not my place in the universe to mete out their share of three-times violence. i don't think it is anyone's place. i wish mr. bush would feel as i do, and take the moral high-ground; show he's above such base tactics, and that he will not perpetuate some monster-scale version of a blood feud. that's what this could easily become.
bb.


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