The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.
Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
||This Page Viewed: 11,677,434
Vox Q Stats|
Times Viewed: 32,767
Lurker/Post Ratio: 127 to 1
Question of the Week: 104 - 3/24/2003
Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq?
Many people were initially for or against the possibility of a war in Iraq. Now that it is a reality and troops are on the ground, have you changed your mind or your position on the war?
Do you think that anti-war protests should cease? Do you think that an even greater divide has opened up between those who hold differing ideologies?
Do you think that the suspension of certain civil liberties for security reasons is appropriate during war time? Do YOU feel safer? Will the world be more secure because of this action?
What – if anything – concerns you the most about the war in Iraq?
| Reponses: There are 258 responses posted to this question.
|| Reverse Sort
| The War ||Mar 30th. at 1:51:50 am UTC|
|Ashlar (Sioux City Iowa) ||Age: 20 - Email |
I thought this war was a bad idea from the start. I think Sadam and his followers need to be taken out of power. I just don't think war was the right way to go about it. I have a strong feeling that he or his followers are hiding something and justing waiting for the momment to hit us back. I jsut hope my feelings about that are wrong. I wish we can some how end this in a peacefull manner.
| It's A Have-to-Do Thing ||Mar 30th. at 11:38:07 am UTC|
|Dove (Alabama) ||Age: 48 - Email |
Well, No matter how happy and protected we all are here in the good ol' USA there are always going to be places in this planet where people let their basic rights be taken away. It sometimes comes slowley and these people do not notice untill they are completely in bondage with no hope in sight. They are not stupid. They are decieved and confused, afraid and abandoned by all the rest of us. And then in comes the White Knight that is the United States of America. We save the world and get precious little credit for it. We are not trusted and not thanked but like a good super hero we keep doing it again and again. We should feel pride that we are always there to help. We are the ones who "Go where we are wanted and Do what is needed." Goddess Bless America!!!
| White Knights ||Mar 30th. at 12:12:56 pm UTC|
|Dan Magick (Québec City) ||Age: 43 - Email |
It's intersesting that someone could refer the American Army as white knights because the Middle East did have visits from the white knights during the crusades who loved to burn rape and pillage as well as killing lots of Jews and Muslims.
Btw they were also the folks who burned witchs at the stake.
| An Immoral Imperialist War ||Mar 30th. at 1:48:33 pm UTC|
|Samuel Wagar (British Columbia) ||Age: 46 - Email |
I haven't changed my opinion of the war since before the shooting started. I still consider it an immoral imperialist adventure which detroys the idea that international law should be substituted for raw force and violence. George Bush, the Christian Crusader in the service of the far right, was determined to fight against the infidel Muslims regardless of any question of right and wrong.
What it basically comes down to is that George Bush believes that he has more guns (and Jesus) and so that makes him right. He does, so the people of the world can't militarily stop him. They can hate the USA, and they increasingly do, and they can refuse to co-operate with the USA, which they increasingly will. By his ignorance of diplomacy and his bullying Bush has done enormous damage to your nation.
Sure, Saddam is a pig, but the American government supported him, armed him (including with chemical and biological weapons) and employed him against Iran, when he was just as much a pig as he now is. Kim Jung Il is a pig, who does have a nuclear program but he has no oil, so there's no war there.
And this might makes right foreign policy is coupled with the grotesque hard right internal policies, the huge deficits (caused by tax giveaways to the wealthy) , the erosion of civil liberties and overt (Christian) Church-state alliances, the erosion of environmental standards. They all come from the same place - the bully mentality.
| Yes I"ve Changed ||Mar 30th. at 3:44:47 pm UTC|
|Silver Falcon (Camp HIll) ||Age: 20 - Email |
WEll, I was ok with it until my sons father was deployed. He is almost to bagddad. I'm worried about him. I just pray that he is protect along with all the other men and women out there.
| If Only More Canadians Lived Here In The US.... ||Mar 30th. at 5:43:49 pm UTC|
|Maleciah (Oregon) ||Age: 25 - Email |
I am sure that no matter what is said or complained about in here is also something that has been talked into the ground for decades. all sides SHOULD know by now that the US is NOT the only one doing theis. there are currently 49 other nations that are assisting in this. No one specific person, country or entity is fully responsible as all the super-powers had a role they played in what we see berfore us; US, Canada, brittan, France, Russia.. the list goes on and on and on. But perhaps if we had more people from Canada who hate the war come down to vote in the next election their voices would be heard by our government. but they will not so our government will not. US dictates it's own policy, not the UN, Canada, England, France, or Russia. Half the time, It isn't what some want, but this is not about humanitarian need nor anything else other than the US erasing a problem that they contributed to. Let them do their work and get it over with. If you don't like it. close your eyes and wait till it is over cause it needs to be done. condemn all you want. it will happen, he will be removed. time to move on to our troops and the civilians and making sure the innocent are not killed needlessly in the interum. Where are the priorities here?
| A Final Thought... ||Mar 30th. at 6:15:12 pm UTC|
|jade (canada (thank Goddess!)) ||Age: 16 - Email |
i have one more thing to say, but i am sure that this has already been said, maybe in another way, but the meaning was the same. this war is RIDICULOUS!!!!! war is not a solution for any problem, yes i suppose it is in short term; but in the long run, this war will only make more, and more and more problems. i have seen and heard so many different things that i have forgotten the reason for this war. is is the war on terrorism? the, i want to impress my daddy war? the gee, the world's oil supply will be gone in 20 years, and since i own a big SUV, and my country consumes way more gas than any other (in proportion) , i want to steal the oil war? really, if they want to make up a lie, then maybe they should stick to ONE reason for going to war. i mean, were not dumb, and those whoi seek the truth will find it, but this all makes the US president look even more stupid! no my opinion on war has not changed! truly, it is all so pointless, and nothing will be gained, but innocent blood will be spilt!!!!!
| I've Just Gotten More Stubborn. ||Mar 30th. at 6:57:10 pm UTC|
|Penny J. Novack (the Berkshires in Massachusetts) ||Age: 62 - Email |
Personally, I've always felt war was wasteful and incredibly bad karma. Violence tends to be, even on the micro-level. But I also believe what my sensei told us when I took 'Chwan Fa long ago. The master of the art will never need to enter into combat. We're using the wrong kind of sports to train our kids in how to deal with violence. Even the martial arts tournaments are just grunt-stupid skill shows. The quality of the master is more subtle. Of course, there is nothing in the U.S. Military establishment which even hints that they have a concept of becoming masters. Therefore, they are not qualified to run an army. An army and a government run the way ours is -- like a football game -- are infantile. A mature, competent government would never need to express itself with war.
So I demonstrate against the war and try to remind people that their freedom comes from The Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution --- and an alert, educated and concerned citizenry. It cannot be bought by the blood of our young people but must be lived and cherished.
| My Apologies ||Mar 30th. at 7:52:14 pm UTC|
|Penny J. Novack (The Berkshires in Massachusetts) ||Age: 62 - Email |
I hadn't read any other opinions when I wrote mine. My apologies are to those whose experiences with some demonstrators has been so awful. I am not myself such a demonstrator. In fact, I much prefer walking around town alone with my signs because then I can stop and talk with people. Literally talk WITH people. I believe we must work harder than ever to exercise all our civil rights now while they are under attack by the Bush government but that doesn't justify seriously bad behavior. Of course, I know people who are caught up in the football field mentality just like Bush -- only they think they're "radicals" and that to be really serious radicals they have to kick ass. Same old, same old. But I do love the puppets and the music. It is always time to create, to love, to make music. No one's life is so long that these things should be put aside.
I wish I could be there to shield you, you friends and wives and children of servicemen. And in my most magical heart I want so badly to protect our young folks sent out on this horrific military event (I understand it's not legally a "war") . My signs say things like "Support our Troops! Bring them home!" because I know some of these people. We may not always agree but I value their lives and their spirits.
| No-a Different Perpective ||Mar 30th. at 8:27:55 pm UTC|
|Jeremy W (Ottawa, Canada) ||Age: 33 - Email |
I've had the same thoughts regarding the war from the beginning-with subtle changes as time goes by. But my general views on war remain the same-I don't agree with war per se although it is a terrible reality in the "patriarchal and masculine" world we live in. Being a soldier myself, I've seen and experienced some awful and horrendous things in my 15 yrs service-save actual combat-which I pray to the Divine I never have to make "the choice". We are (mostly) all caught up in what we are fed by the propaganda machine (yes, we do have one too!) and consequently form our opinions based on this information-when a good deal of "loud views" are expressed by those of us who have their experiences limited to the one and only community they have ever lived in and the propoganda that they have formed into their own opinion. Based on who I am and the sum of my experiences, and my "interpretations/intuitions" of propoganda fed to me, I do not agree with the war, but I pray for those soldiers over there that God or however you perceive the Divine to be, blesses them with the strength and wisdom to "grow" from their experiences there and to overcome the suffering that they will surely see and have . I also believe that the events going on in the world today are part of a "process" and are neccessary before humankind makes the next step in our evolution of universal awareness-the balance of femininity and masculinity.Thank-you.
| Thank The Creator For Choices ||Mar 31st. at 12:02:54 am UTC|
|Queen Gwen (Alberta) ||Age: 44 - Email |
I've not changed my opinion. I believe that any place under suppression needs liberating. They asked the USA for help, the USA is giving help. Over 10 years we have all waited for that evil rotten man to disassemble his armament, he has not. So................enough!
I do believe that this should have gone faster, only one device could have been used to end this horrific side of man kinds nature. He is no different than Hitler, etc.
I still stand by my belief that we do not go looking for fights (war) . But if asked to defend, or to help, we as witch's / pagans, we of all people should understand suppression..........yes?
That's all I have to say on this matter.
I pray for all involved. I pray our fantastic Canadian Military young men and women don't need to go help our American brother's and sister's.
May the gods/goddesses help mend this mess.
| War Is Never Good, But.... ||Mar 31st. at 1:38:56 am UTC|
|Rev. Kelley Stephenson (Casa Grande) ||Age: 27 - Email - Web|
I have to say I have a skewed view about what is going on. I grew up in a military household. My Great-grandfather fought in WWI, my greandfather in WWII and my father enlisted because of Korea. I grew up in a military town, many of my friends in highschool had either parents or siblings in the Gulf. I hold a lot of personal pride in the military of the United States of America. As an American I feel I have two choices, either follow our elected leaders (whether or not I TOTALY agree with them and exersise my right to speek out) or leave. If I leave I don't feel that I have the right to say that anyone in power is flat out wrong, but I would say that I don't agree with them.
Now I don't agree with the policies of Mr. Hussain, or anyone who kills their own people then hides under a mantle of religion just to raise (or try to raise) support. When you are in a hostile invinron anyone with a gun is an enemy combatant, and under the rules of warfair is not inocent. Imagin what would have happened if there was a polital power who came in a told the Inquistors they had to stop the persecution of non-Christians or there would be a war?
What would have happened if that same political power had launched inspections and the INquistors had hidden and lied about tourture devices and Jews and Pagans in custody. That is really what this is all about.
One man who has a history of abusing and ignoring basic human rights and want's to distroy everything that does not fit into his idea of the world (much like a Austrain around 1935 in Germany) . This threat must be put down and put down quickly.
I forsee this whole thing, from the time we went in, to the time that there is truely free elections in Iraq, to take five years. I have signed up for information on the Chaplain Corps, to serve my duty to my country and my military.
Goddess bless America
Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2015 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.
Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh G5.
Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections (including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wrenâ€™s Nest, etc.) are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witchesâ€™ Voice, Inc. TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.
Sponsorship: Visit the Witches' Voice Sponsor Page for info on how you
can help support this Community Resource. Donations ARE Tax Deductible.
The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.
Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.