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Question of the Week: 14 - 11/6/2000

The Unresolved US Election

Did YOU vote? Which candidate did you vote for? How do you feel about the political wrangling going on right now in Florida? Will/Should either candidate concede for the good of the country-or should either/both fight it out until we all scream for mercy? How do you think either candidate, if declared the winner, will be able to bring the country together given the inference that the election results now point to an America that is almost equally divided into one camp or the other? And the BIG question-What, if any, impact will the final results have on the Pagan communities?

 Reponses:   There are 263 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 

I Voted For Al Gore, But I've Pretty Well Reconciled Myself To... Nov 11th. at 4:17:14 pm EST

Hearthstone (Calumet, Michigan US) Age: 38

I voted for Al Gore, but I've pretty well reconciled myself to a Bush electoral win. I don't think either candidate should concede until all the votes are in (which should be 10 days after the election, to ensure absentee ballot arrival). What's the rush, anyway? Isn't accuracy more important than speed? I have no problem with the recount, of course, and am surprised that more states haven't done one; I'm undecided on the issue of the ballot design but I tend toward the position that this is something that should have been decided *before* the election--didn't they user-test that thing? Allowing a revote would set a precedent I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with.

One thing I am hoping is that this election will make it clear to people that the electoral college needs to be dumped. (It's not going to be fun to explain to my 6-year-old that although more American people wanted one candidate to be president, the other one won).

Finally, I think that whoever wins will have to walk on eggs for a while, both because there was no stong voter mandate in one direction or the other and because both candidates and their parties have *not* handled this situation in a particularly classy way. It's unlikely that the winner will be reelected in 2004, or that the loser will be renominated then. Just a bad situation overall.

As for the Pagan angle, Bush is obviously ignorant about Pagan religions, having made several statements to that effect. But I think it's unlikely that we'd be high on his hit list, quite frankly. Indirectly, certainly a Bush presidency could be bad for many issues of concern to many Pagans (environmentalism, for example), but as I've said, with a government as balanced as ours will be, I think whoever wins will have a heck of a hard time pushing his agenda.

I Did Not Vote, As I Did Not Have Time. I Have... Nov 11th. at 4:26:30 pm EST

paige (coal region, Pennsylvania US) Age: 25

i did not vote, as i did not have time. i have just moved back into pa. however, i am supportive if al gore. the biggest reason is that he upports women's rights. bush is a redneck moron, i my opinion. i just could never vote for a candidate who would vow to again abolish safe, legal abortions.also, the republican party affiliation with the christian rights people deeply disturbs this witch. anti gay, anti choice, anti freedom... if bush makes it to the white house i am moving to canada!

Yes I Did Vote As I Always Do, If For No Other... Nov 11th. at 5:19:45 pm EST

Whisperwind (Tacoma, Washington US) Age: 33 - Email

Yes I did vote as I ALWAYS do, if for no other reason then for the right to complain. I voted for Al Gore, though I am sad to say I did so because I did not want Bush to win. If it was not so close a battle I would have voted for Nader. Quite frankly Bush scares me. I just cling to the fact that our country's government is set up in such a way that no one person has all the power.

My husband and I have been discussing the whole electoral college thing. Why is it that we have had so many advancements in technology but we cling to such an archaic system? I cannot help but to think it would be possible to use computers to make our votes more percise. Perhaps we could even vote from our homes on our PC or from the library. This whole punch card thing is ridiculous. I can see a web site set up for each district that we could log on to and using our social security numbers or perhaps a seperate voting number with pass word, the Divine Couple knows how many hackers have our SS numbers, LOL. On the web site there could be pictures of the people running and a short statement next to them like in the voter's pamphlet. Also the initiatives could be listed with their explanations. That way when it was time for you to vote and you came upon something you hadn't heard of you would not have to resort to eeny meeny miney mo.

As far as the recount in Florida, I think it gives us credit that we care about the importance of our votes enough to make sure we get it right. My husband however thinks that other countries are laughing at us as we fumble the ball.

Well, I'm A Canadian, So I've Been Following Our Election More Closely... Nov 11th. at 7:46:15 pm EST

Erin (Ottawa, Ontario CA) Age: 24

Well, I'm a Canadian, so I've been following our election more closely than yours, so forgive me if my opinions offend or sound shallow or simple, but...first, what's the deal with the Electoral College? I understand there have been a few instances in your history where a president won because he had the most votes from the Electors, even though the *other* candidate had more of the popular vote. That doesn't sound like it represents the will of the people particularly well. (Not that our system is perfect either.)

Second, couldn't the government just decide to have a second election? How will re-counting the ballots solve anything? And why should only Florida get to re-do their votes?

I Voted And For President I Wrote In Chutulu. Given The Choise... Nov 11th. at 8:31:51 pm EST

Silver MayKitten (Springfield, Missouri US) Age: 55 - Email

I voted and for president I wrote in Chutulu. Given the choise of the lesser of many evils, I voted my own.

I Voted For Gore. When Someone Announces That My Religion Isn't One... Nov 11th. at 8:55:43 pm EST

Lucinda-June Chapman sisterbluerose (Elmira, New York US) Age: 48 - Email

I voted for Gore. When someone announces that my religion isn't one... You don't have to hit me with a brick before I wnderstand.

Some people have been asking what the Goddess's will is on this. I believe that we need to be outspoken. I believe we should have a "Pagan Fourth of July Party" A political party that announces we are patriotic and Pagan. We should as the Pagan Fourth of July Party have a great celebration of this each fourth of July. We should get together to celebrate our holy days. We should be both vocal and organized.

I tell people. I couldn't vote for Bush. He believes my religion isn't one. That is when I don't quote the Boondocks cartoon of Nov 6. "You voted for the Dumbest man in America"

Yes, I Did Vote, And Consider It A Priviledge To Do So... Nov 11th. at 9:42:33 pm EST

Shelby Martin (Houston, Minnesota US) Age: 33 - Email

Yes, I did vote, and consider it a priviledge to do so. I voted for Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party candidate. Why? because before the election, I researched on the varius candidates positions on many issues. I actually asked Harry Browne's campaign, via e-mail, what his stance on people's freedom to chose and practice whatever religion they choose. I asked this based on the comments I heard Mr. Bush make regarding the Pagan religions and the practice of Witchcraft. If you remember when the question arose regarding Wiccan circles being held in the military at Fort Hood, Mr. Bush responded that Wicca was not a valid religion. I also read his response to the Internet question of the day as linked by The Witch's Vox. Needless to say, as a Pagan, my choice was pretty clear. I wasn't voting for him. Mr. Browne, running on the Libertarian Party ticket, believes that all Americans should choose how to live their own lives, including the practice of religion. I wish more people could hear the other messages that are out there, other than what the media has pushed onto us, making us believe that we really only have 2 choices. That is NOT the way this country is supposed to run.

I Voted For Ralph Nader. Having Looked At The Various Positions Of... Nov 11th. at 10:28:35 pm EST

DarkPanther (Burlington, Iowa US) Age: 40 - Email

I voted for Ralph Nader. Having looked at the various positions of many parties, I had to come down on the side of the Greens. There are some positions I do not agree with, but their support for the environment is very strong, and I believe that is the most important issue facing us today.

I Voted For Gore. For Me, The Choice Was Simple. In An... Nov 11th. at 10:37:30 pm EST

Amy (Center Valley, Pennsylvania US) Age: 39 - Email

I voted for Gore. For me, the choice was simple. In an election that was not going to be this close, I may have voted for Nader, but this time, I felt that that would be throwing away my vote. I fear Bush. As a military dependant, whoever is President has direct control over my husbands life, and the fact that someone who has already insulted a Russian Leader to the point that a Slander suit has been considered may become our President is terrifying. What happens if he pulls a stunt like that as President?

Also, I don't understand the hoopla over the Florida vote. Florida law allows for these type of problems by having laws in place to deal with them. The recount and the hand count of the vote is only following the law of the state. As of this point, there is no president elect, and I am still burning blue candles for Gore!

Yes, I Voted For Al Gore. I Consider Myself A "yellow Dog... Nov 11th. at 10:39:58 pm EST

Thepdaq (Austin, Texas US) Age: 45 - Email

Yes, I voted for Al Gore. I consider myself a "Yellow Dog" Democrat and always vote so that others may have a "choice" on whom to vote. Bush is the "anti-christ" for Pagans and "free thinkers" alike, not to mention being a "daddy's boy" putting "daddy's office" back in power. Any pagan that voted for Bush just voted to throw out their rights to be and think different from the radical christian rightwing.

I Have To Say That The Choices This Time Did Not Seem... Nov 11th. at 11:25:54 pm EST

L.stringfellow (Phoenix, Arizona US) Age: 33

I have to say that the choices this time did not seem to be very appealing. Unfortunately, I did not vote this time around; I have recently become an Arizona resident (after being a Florida resident for many years!).
I've been somewhat dismayed by this year's presidential election.
Of course, in good faith, I could never vote for "W" Bush. Another responder stated that "Bush scares me." Well, I pretty much concur with that statement.
Not only are his politics counter to what I believe, but the man is constantly misspeaking! On the other hand, Gore may "stand for" what I believe in: women's rights, personal freedom, the environment, etc. However, I have to say that I just don't trust the guy. When I look at him, I have to say that I'm not sure he will actually uphold the promises he makes while in office. Perhaps that's my mistrust of politicians, in which case, if Gore does become President and he does uphold his statements, I will have to admit I'm wrong about him in four years. (!) Well, I honestly hope that Gore does win the election (not Bush!), and that I do have to admit I'm wrong in four years.

As a former resident of Florida, I have to say that this entire fiasco does not surprise me in the least. However, I do think that's it's only right that they do the vote recount at this point. The thing that is surprising to me is that, in Florida, every registered voter is sent a sample ballet. So, I'm not sure why these people, who claim to have been tricked, are so confused. I imagine, granted, that many people don't look at the ballots, and a few elderly people may become confused by them, but I'm not sure I buy the premise that they "didn't know what they were doing." The "elderly" are not that inept.
Whatever the case, the entire scenario is ridiculous. It's interesting, but ridiculous.

As of late, Bush has been putting the pressure on to halt the vote recount in Florida. There is a law suit in the works, apparently (or so the story goes).
The fact that he is trying to stop the recount says something to me about his character--if he were interesting in honestly determining what the actual count is, he would allow the recount to be done without question. The fact that he is trying to impede this process says, "O.K., we should abide by the rules, except when it comes to ME...". Sorry, I think the guy's a hypocrite.

I Just Couldn't Vote For A Corporate Candidate - Nader, After Much Thought... Nov 11th. at 11:46:27 pm EST

John Slade (St. Paul, Minnesota US) Age: 34 - Email

I just couldn't vote for a corporate candidate - Nader, after much thought.

That thought mostly tended to 'why have the Clintons and the Gores sold the soul
of the Democratic party'? I know that Bush stands for 95% of the things I disagree with, but Gore stands for 65% of the things I disagree with, and that 65% of bad outweighs the 30% of good for me.

The ballot stuff? I think it's a good object lesson that shows people how those in power will act. Scrabbling.

Another part of me thinks it's bad, because it will make people cynical.

I disagree with the Bush camp's attempt to stop the hand count.

I think the Bush folks were lying about the Buchanan vote. I think that Jeb Bush is using what power he can to get George into power.

I don't know what the best thing to do is; I'm interested in the results of a hand count. We will survive for another couple weeks like this.

America nearly divided? Yeah -- into those who vote and those who don't. Turnout was up -- up to about 52% of the electorate, minus kids, minus those declared insane, minus those declared felons by our insane war on drugs. Those who bother are also divided.

In the Pagan community, I see the biggest result being fighting over whether the Green Party's candidacy was a good thing or not, particularly from Gore supporters. I also see a step forward in Real Left organization, and a possible step backwards under a Republican administration. Which will be rather hamstrung on social issues, but have free rein on corporate issues.

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