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 Author:    Posted: Sep. 8, 2002   This Page Viewed: 9,376,937  

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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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Well, I Am Leaning Toward The Democrats Myself, I Must Admit That... Aug 11th. at 10:30:05 am UTC

Robert Wind Eagle (Dexter, Michigan US) Age: 27


Well, i am leaning toward the Democrats myself, i must admit that both canidates have major flaws, but i still support Al Gore none the less. As for political involment, i think if the Wiccan and Pagan community as a whole wants to further themselves, then it is important that we involve ourselves and stand up for our rights and ways of life, so no one takes that away from us anymore. Yes, i am a registered voter and yes, i will vote for Al Gore, and hopefully he will remember us and represent us and defend our rights as President of the United States. As for Bush, well, i just hope he does not get into office, and that is all i have to say on that matter.


I Plan To Vote For Gore, Simply Because I Am Truly Frightened... Aug 11th. at 11:34:39 am UTC

Tammy Todd (Gloucester, Massachusetts US) Age: 28


I plan to vote for Gore, simply because I am truly frightened of what might happen if Bush were to be elected.


Without A Doubt, I Will Be Voting For Harry Browne, The Libertarian... Aug 11th. at 1:58:41 pm UTC

Lee Chavis (Lexington, South Carolina US) Age: 31 - Email


Without a doubt, I will be voting for Harry Browne, the Libertarian candidate for President. It is VERY important that we, as pagans, make our voices heard. If we don't stand up to protect our rights and freedoms, they will be taken away from us little by little. The Democrats and the Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Neither party is interested in protecting our (pagan and non-pagan alike) rights or freedoms. Both parties wipe their butts with the Constitution every chance they get. Both parties have been bought and paid for by big business, multi-national corporations, the Radical Religious Reich, and the Chinese. If we don't stand up for our Constitutional rights and freedoms, no one else will. Oops, sorry for the rant. Stepping off soapbox now :)

The important thing to remember is.....JUST VOTE! Vote your conscience! Exercise your right. Make your voice heard. Just imagine....if everyone who said they weren't going to vote, or thought their vote would be wasted by voting for a third party candidate, actually voted for the candidate they wanted to vote for, that candidate might actually win.

As we enter the new Millennium, we can't afford to be silent any longer. Because soon, our right and freedom to speak may be taken away from us. In order for us to preserve our right and freedom to practice our various faiths and live our lives the way WE choose to, without harm to anyone, we need to speak out now before its too late.

My vote will speak for me this Novemember. Please let your vote speak for you.


I Am A Libertarian, Plain And Simple. Libertarians Believe That As Long... Aug 11th. at 4:41:44 pm UTC

Metalligoth (Brighton, Michigan US) Age: 18 - Email


I am a Libertarian, plain and simple. Libertarians believe that as long as what you do does not harm others, then it should not be against the law. (Sounds a lot like "An' It Harm None, Do What Thou Wilt", eh?)

I am 18 years old, and as long as I can remember my family will sit and eat dinner while watching the evening news. How many 18 year-olds out there can remember seeing the Berlin Wall coming down, and knowing exactly what was going on? I have always known what was going on in the world around me.

Back in high school, I was feared in Debate classes and I always had an opinion in any social studies class (History, Government, etc.). Despite all of this, as a Pagan I was having trouble finding a political mentality that not only supported my religion but also agreed with the most sacred document of all, The Constitution of The United States Of America.

One day in my Government class the teacher announced we were going to research political parties. We had to study the Republicans, the Democrats, and a third party. My father is a newspaper reporter, so I looked for a press release, any press release, from a third party. I found one talking about Teresa Pollok, running for State Representative in 1998 (Michigan's 63rd District). I invited the woman to speak to our class (so I could get some extra credit) and I quickly found out that despite how much you hear about them in the media, the Libertarian Party is the third largest political party in the United States. We get more votes and have more members than both the Reform Party and the Green Party. Since the party was started, every presidential election year the party gets four times bigger. At this rate, we will overtake one of the two "major parties" within ten years. Well, after learning all of this and learning their platform, I liked the party so much I became a member.

Now, I am 18 years old, and I am the Vice-Chairman of The Libertarian Party of Livingston County, Michigan.

Many Pagans are concerned with the environment, and many want to be Libertarian but are concerned with the Libertarian's desire for the government not to interfere with private lives getting in the way of saving the Earth. Let me tell you, it is not a concern. Libertarians belive in the right to sue for any and all pollution. If an individual cannot pay within their lifetime the amount they owe, tthey would be sent to jail. What about pollution on public land? In a "Libertopia" their would be no public land, it would all be privatized, but this is probably not a sound theory in the real world. In those cases where public land is damaged, the penalties would be much harsher against those that would harm what belonged to a community. Some Libertarians would even call for the government itself to sue such an individual or orginization.

What about those that own so much land, they can't get sued for polluting another's? Truth is, if they pollute the land to the point of causing harm to it, somehow some of what they are doing will get into the air, the soil, eventually the ground water. Because of this pollution would no longer be an option for corporations and individuals in a Libertarian styled world.

As for Pagan Rights, or civil liberties in general, the word Libertarian says it all. Our platform is basically summed up by saying "follow the spirit of the Constitution, and as long as it harms no others, do what you will..."

What could be more logical and more PAGAN than that?

Libertarian Crime Solution: If it doesn't and can't hurt others, then it's your right as an American to do what you will.

Libertarians would make it so crimes that hurt others would have stiff penalties, whereas crimes that don't hurt anyone but you would no longer be considered criminal. (i.e. Drinking is okay, until you step behind the wheel of a car.)

Libertarian Pollution Solution: Polluting others property in any way would be illegal.
This includes via air, water, earth, or by sound (noise).

Libertarians support individuals right to privacy 100%!

Libertarians would:
* End the so-called "war on drugs" and concentrate your money on rehabilitation. People weren't stopped by alcohol prohibition, and drugs aren't doing any better!
* Support the rights of the individual
* Keep the environment clean through logical property laws
* Get tough on real crime
* Double the police resources available for crime prevention without any additional government spending.
* Help education, welfare, and other governmental programs by allowing our free trade, capitalist economy serve as a model and take over these systems.


I Will Never Favor Or Vote For A Party That Is Anti-women... Aug 11th. at 6:10:46 pm UTC

Arthanea Greyhawk (Houston, Texas US) Age: 21 - Email


I will never favor or vote for a party that is anti-women, which I believe the Republicans are. I don't care how nice and compasionate conservative they appear to the media, I know what is on their platform and it does not represent myself, my interests, my beliefs or the country I want to live in. I am delighted to have a candidate like Gore running. I think the only thing everyone is holding against Gore is that there are too many good things about him and therefore he hasn't had to develop the usual political slickness we all know and readily fall for. Gore is very pro-women's rights, very environmentally aware, and as far as I can tell, not at all interested in doing things to the nation's stance on seperation of church and state. I get really tired of environmentalists running down Gore for his imperfect environmental record - how long has it been since we have seen a candidate with as much knowledge and interest for the environment in either of the major parties? And I personally feel that Mr. Ralph Nadar picked a bad year to throw his hat in the ring. So much of what he has to offer, Gore does as well. Where was he when our choices were Dumb and Dumber - Ducacus and Bush? I won't go into all of the reasons I refuse to even consider voting for Bush and think anyone in their right mind would feel the same way. The guy gives me the creepies, not to mention his complete lack of political or even life experience. He has never been tested, nothing has ever been out of his reach or his father's or his father's wallet's. I feel that voting is increadibly important, especially for any minority group to let people know that we are there, that we have a voice and a few minority groups strung together can always topple the majority, who sometimes need to open their minds a little bit. I am registered to vote and am delighted to be able to vote in my first presidential election this year, since there hasn't been one since before I was 18. Go Al!


I Will Vote Against Bush And Thus For Gore. More Than Likely... Aug 11th. at 6:18:45 pm UTC

Andrea Joy Spilholtz (Los Angeles, California US) Age: 39 - Email


I will vote against Bush and thus for Gore. More than likely the next president will appoint a few supreme justices and the idea of Bush, who has publicly stated that Wicca is not a religion, of being the person to appoint those justices scares me.

I firmly believe it is important for everyone to register and vote. Silence is taken as approval for the status-quo.


There Are Many Problems With Both Parties' Platforms, And So I Find... Aug 11th. at 6:47:39 pm UTC

Ariel (Mill Valley, California US) Age: 39 - Email


There are many problems with both parties' platforms, and so I find myself voting more against Bush than for Gore. America seems to be overly concerned with issues of so-called "morality", and not concerned enough about the true state of affairs with the common person in these times. Religion has become a convenient excuse for bigots and hatemongers to spread their disease, and the uneducated and uninterested masses are swept up in that rhetoric. As witches, we are easy targets for the unscrupulous and rabid supporters of a patriarchal system that wore out it's welcome several centuries ago. I think it is imperative for us to stand up and be counted, and to use our various religious skills and tools to bring about the change that is sorely needed, and in my opinion, required as service to the Earth and the Goddess. Is Gore the vehicle for this type of radical change, I think not. However, I lost faith in either party, or our political system in general, long ago. I just feel that Gore is less dangerous than Bush, and that Bush is slimy, a true crook. Not to mention that his agenda is to reinstate the "glory years" of the conservative era, and that truly dismays me, as I do feel that we have gained some ground in the years since and would hate to go back to the dark ages, so to speak. I have not been registered for many years, due to my total disgust with the ineffectiveness of our political system, but have since come to realize that it is worse to abstain than to speak and not be heard. I am registered in the Green party.


This Year I Take Action Against A Party, Rather Than For Its... Aug 11th. at 7:33:33 pm UTC

Jolandra (Gaylord, Michigan US) Age: 21 - Email


This year I take action against a party, rather than for its rival. I would dearly love to vote for the Green Party, but unfortunately in realistic terms there is no chance of Ralph Nader actually going to the white house on that independent ticket, and it will draw votes away from Gore. Gore, while I wouldn't vote for him if I wasn't so seriously opposed to Bush, is the only barrier between us and the loss of decades worth of ground gained in the fight for religious freedom. I do applaud Gore's choice of a Jewish VP, whatever his motive was it was a good move socially and politically, and gives me much hope for the success of his campaign and his respect for religious diversity. Bush on the other hand, a second-generation political tool for oil companies and industrials, will never see religion and moral conduct in any terms but Christianity. I shall vote against Bush, and encourage anyone who wishes to keep Bush out of office to join forces and not let a divided front over the "other" parties put the religious reich in office....


Greetings To All! I Would Have To Say That I Will Probably... Aug 11th. at 7:43:38 pm UTC

Mistress Madeline (Flower Mound, Texas US) Age: 21 - Email


Greetings to all!

I would have to say that I will probably not vote for any candidate because i believe that it should be about a religious preference all thou I am Pagan. I believe it should be about what they are going to bring to use as We, the people...I just plain out believe neither have anything to offer. I do think it is very important for Pagans to vote. If we didn't vote we might lose our one chance at justice for our religion. Also, justice for all religions to be free to believe in what suits each and every person out there. Neither candidate in the election is going to bring us that let less anything else but, that is my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. As I end I would like to say that what ever religion you are don't judge those that are other at least the believe in something that may be out there. May the Lord and Lady be with you always, Mistress Madeline


Ok, I Am Leaning Very Much Toward The Libertarian Party, Harry Browne... Aug 11th. at 7:52:37 pm UTC

Burnfingers (rural, Ohio US) Age: 25 - Email


Ok, I am leaning very much toward the Libertarian party, Harry Browne. With the two choices being George W(icca isn't a real religion) Bush/ Dick Cheney versus Al (identicle voting record to Cheney) Gore/Joe (and you thought Tipper Gore was pro censorship) Lieberman, we're going to have a president who is anti-pagan or anti free speech.

Yes, I do feel political involvement is imperative to pagans. Our voices must be heard on issues like the "Hang 10." While a petty part of me wishes to just refuse to vote, that would effectively be a vote in favor of BOTH abhorrent politicians. I am registered, WILL vote, and have very strong opinions on the subject.

Blessed Be


I Am Leaning Towards Green Or Liberatarian. Green Because They Have A... Aug 11th. at 9:03:55 pm UTC

Stacey (Plymouth, Maine US) Age: 30 - Email


I am leaning towards Green or Liberatarian. Green because they have a better chance, Liberatarian because I'm for less government. I do think level of political involvement is important to pagans. I am registered to vote, I will vote Green or Liberatarian.


There Is Only One Choice For Pagans And That Is Al Gore... Aug 11th. at 11:35:00 pm UTC

Walt Starr (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 37 - Email


There is only one choice for Pagans and that is Al Gore. A vote for any other candidate will only serve to get George Shrubya Bush elected and end religious freedom and the seperation of church and state forever due to the Supreme Court nominations he is likely to make.

No third party stands any chance at all and the Green Party and Libertarians will only serve to suck votes away from the Democrats.

Realistically speaking, voting any other way than for the Democrats is the same as voting to put George Shrubya Bush in the white house.


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