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Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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Ya Gotta Vote For Al. But Then, Perhaps More Importantly, You Must... Aug 12th. at 12:21:21 am EDT

Iko (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 36 - Email

ya gotta vote for Al. But then, perhaps more importantly, you must get involved. I would love to be able to vote for the Green Party - but the truth is that is just p***ing in the wind (you know I said peeeing - right? Being female that is pretty diffcult anyway, but I like the saying). The Republicans are doing their best to put on a pretty (read: not scary) show, but if we allow "W" to get his behind in the oval office, you will be fending off the fundies who want YOUR religion outta here about 30 seconds after Bill joins Hillary in New York. You will not only be fending them off you will be sitting in absolute disbelief that your new Prez AGREES that Wicca is not a religion, should have no protection, and perhaps can be outlawed. (I am not making this up - you can read it for yourselves - the quotes are out there and not too hard to find.) Yes, I would LOVE to vote for the Green party, to vote for beings who seem to REALLY care, BUT we cannot let our idealism get in the way of practicality (and perhaps survival). If we WANT a Green Party-esque candidate to actually have a shot at the White House WE must get involved. We MUST not just talk the talk, but walk the walk. We must find, support and then get elected such a person. That takes work (years and years of work) and the right candidate. I hate to say it, because I like the man, Nader will NEVER be that candidate. However, before we can do that we must first MAKE OUR VOTES COUNT. We cannot make our votes count if we vote ideologically for a candidate that has NO chance of winning. (All you have to remember is how Ross Perot got Bill elected by getting a good number of Republicans and independants to vote for him. Do you really want YOUR GREEN PRINCIPALS TO ELECT BOY GEORGE? -- Hey thats pretty cute... Boy George... no offense to the original meant). You have to remember the real face of Republicanism is the likes of Bob Barr. He represents the core, the 'Religious Right' foundation of the party - the Republicans have him hidden away at the moment because no matter how you dress him up he will never even come close to convincing anyone he is a "compassionate conservative." Remember, a vote for anybody other than Al Gore IN THIS ELECTION really will be a vote for likes of Bob Barr... think about it. Be afraid, be very afraid. VOTE!

Hmmm... I Haven't Seen Anyone Voice Any Support For John Hagelin (reform... Aug 12th. at 2:58:57 am EDT

Lisa (Bloomington, Illinois US) Age: 26

Hmmm... I haven't seen anyone voice any support for John Hagelin (Reform Party Hopeful and Natural Law Party candidate) Don't go screaming in the other direction! Check this guy and his platform out and see what you think ( (He can't be all bad - he's working to boot Pat Buchanan from the Reform Party ticket and that's worth a Brownie point or two or ten in my book.) I understand that, in all likelihood a third party doesn't have a very good chance of sweeping the polls. However, a third party will NEVER have a very good chance of sweeping the polls if I wait to vote for it AFTER it has gained popularity. It's an interesting dilemma - do I vote for the candidate who I believe would work for my ( and the country's) best interest? Or do I vote for the person who is least likely to screw me over?

At any rate, it is most unfortunate to have to consider the importance of political involvement in regards to one's religion. But sometimes you have to play the game so you don't get stomped.

I am registered to vote and I plan to vote my conscience this time around. The last time I voted for the candidate who was least likely to do something stupid, I was utterly and totally disappointed. (Thanks for that stellar display of intelligence, Bill.)

As A Registered Voter, I Intend To Vote For The Vilified George... Aug 12th. at 3:42:33 am EDT

the Reverend Rob (Pocatello, Idaho US) Age: 28 - Email

As a registered voter, I intend to vote for the vilified George W. Bush for president in the 2000 elections. As a proud firearms owner, I do not intend to vote for an individual such as Al Gore who is against my fundamental right to bear arms, which is even more important than the freedom of religion.

Without my firearms, I lack the ability to do something about my other rights being trampled, and any 'freedom of religion' is a hollow cry without the ability to back it up with a vote and a weapon.

Then again, I'm also not one to fall for the standard dogma associated with the "Christian majority." I've been an open pagan for 10 years, and experienced less hassle and harassment than many of my Christian friends and co-workers.

At the ame time, I find the continuing need to find enemies and create persecution in the pagan community absolutely sickening. In choosing to rally behind Gore and Leiberman at large, the pagan community is opening itself to a greater dishonest censorship masquerading as 'liberal values.'

Don't you remember what Clinton and Gore did to their promises to the gay community in the '92 election?

I won't be screwed again.

As Both A Wiccan And An Active Csea Union Member I Had... Aug 12th. at 6:53:48 am EDT

B. Gentilquore (Highland, New York US) Age: 52

As both a Wiccan and an active CSEA Union member I had always been planning to vote Democratic. I particularly like Al Gore & think he and Clinton have done a fine job. President Clinton's unsavery interlude with Lewinsky shouldn't be on the sholders of Al Gore, nor on the shoulder's of Clinton. Wrong as it was, they all do it - so why should Clinton or Gore pay?
However, when I heard of the Gore running mate, I was really shaken. How in good conscious could I vote for someone who wants to privatize social security? Yes, Gore is pro choice, pro union, and, really pro religion (religious equality), but what if something happens to Gore and his vice president becomes president? Many seniors (my mother included) would have absolutely NO INCOME, if it weren't for social security. I have to help her out because she can't afford to live by herself.
On the otherside, George W. My Goddess, what will we ever do if he's elected? Not only will the rich get richer (shades of Ronald Reagan!), but we, as Pagans, well, what will happen to religeous freedom? George W appeared at that Baptist University (don't remember the name) that was anti-Catholic. If he's siding against Catholics - what chance to we Pagan's have if he's in office!
As one political commentator said on CH 13 when he referred to George W, "He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer." Is George W a puppet of the religious extreem?
So what do I do, feeling as I do? I thought of voting for Nader, but I have a problem with that too. I feel that vote for Nader is a vote taken from Gore. If Nader had a serious chance, it wouldn't be a problem, but we all know he doesn't. It's not really so much as a vote taken from Gore that bothers me, as it's also a vote for George W. Do I go in that booth, not vote for the presidential candidates, & vote deomcratic (religious freedom) in all else?

In My Opinion, Anybody Who Claims To Be A Pagan And Is... Aug 12th. at 10:36:30 am EDT

Witchward (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 37 - Email

In my opinion, anybody who claims to be a Pagan and is voting for Bush is either a liar or a fool.

I Think It Is Important For Every Person To Of Voting Age... Aug 12th. at 11:31:38 am EDT

Moon Child (Glenview, Illinois US) Age: 27

I think it is important for every person to of voting age to vote. In addition, I find it equally important for those of us with a true understanding of the concept of freedom to make our voices heard, as individuals and as a group. After all, those who would love to take away, and have to a certain extent, my right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Along those lines, . . I will be voting for GORE/LIEBERMAN. On the whole, I have no real qualms with Clinton/Gore. I also feel that Lieberman will bring a much needed change to the White House.

I could go on and on, but I do not feel it is my, our country's, and any Pagan's best interest to vote for Bush.

I'm Registered, I Plan To Vote, And I'll Be Voting For Ralph... Aug 12th. at 12:08:16 pm EDT

Hearthstone (Calumet, Michigan US) Age: 38

I'm registered, I plan to vote, and I'll be voting for Ralph Nader. I don't necessarily support the entire Green platform, but I do most of it, and I respect Nader, his integrity and his record of working in the public interest.

What I am getting tired of is people telling me I'm "throwing away" my vote, or giving it to George W. Bush, by not voting for Gore (who would probably be my choice if there were no third-party candidate I preferred). As long as this sort of thought dominates, the two-party system will continue to thrive and the American people will continue to lack any real political choices. I'm going to vote for the person I'd be happiest to see in office, whether or not I feel he has a chance of winning. If enough people do this--vote for the candidate rather than his or her party--in local and state elections as well as national, we might eventually have some changes where they are needed. I don't feel that's throwing my vote away--it's putting it where I think it belongs! (And obviously I think the electoral college needs to be scrapped, but that's a slightly different subject.)

Sure, I think political involvement is important to Pagans. I think it's important to everyone. I *don't*, however, think that there should be a "Pagan party line" we're expected to follow and vote along!

I Am A Libertarian. I Believe In Less Government And More Individual... Aug 12th. at 1:00:29 pm EDT

Hippiewitch (Paducah, Kentucky US) Age: 23 - Email

I am a Libertarian. I believe in less government and more individual freedom. I think that political involvement, unfortunately, should be important to pagans, because our elected officials have lately decided it is up to them to decide whether our path is a valid religious faith. (i.e., Rep. Barr!!) I am registered to vote, and this will be the first year I vote in a presidential election. I will vote for the Libertarian candidate, Harry Browne. I can't stand to look at George W. Bush-perhaps this is unprofessional of me, but that smirk just makes me want to slap it off his face! He has proven through many debates and interviews that he is a right-wing idiot riding on his daddy's coattails. My husband and I have decided that if he is elected, we are moving to Canada. Al Gore, well. . . I don't have any particular beef with him, but I'm not gonna vote for him either. The voters in this country need to be aware that the two-party system is hurting them. And, with that in mind, I believe it is time to do away with the electoral college. It is out-dated and flies in the face of democracy-your vote doesn't count if the electors disagree. Until we get rid of the electoral college, a third party candidate has no chance.

I First Registered To Vote In April Of 1987, As A High... Aug 12th. at 3:50:10 pm EDT

Gwydion Canu Bleidd (Memphis, Tennessee US) Age: 31 - Email

I first registered to vote in April of 1987, as a high school senior; I officially cast my first vote over 18 months later, in the '88 Presidential election, and while I never officially claimed any sort of party affiliation, I voted Democrat, partly because my parents did and partly because that was the era of Reagan/Bush and their authoritarian politics that tended by and large to trample on the "little guy." I registered as an independent because I cared not to be identified as a bleeding-heart liberal or as a fascist conservative, and because my socio-political views skew wildly from one side to the other (I am pro-choice, pro-death penalty [though I do believe in the right to a fair and speedy trial with all evidence duly presented and considered], somewhat anti-gun control [when you live in the big city where crime is something for which you always need to be on the lookout, you need some form of self-defense], pro-environment [but do not support the radically violent tactics of some animal rights groups--I am still carnivorous and wear leather]).

However, after the last eight years (and I did vote for Clinton/Gore in '92, though not in '96, as I was not registered at the time), and reviewing the current choices of the GOP and the Democratic parties, I am seriously considering voting independent for real. I do think that Gore's choice of Joe Lieberman as running mate was an inspired one (or else thoroughly calculated, given that much has been made of Lieberman's being the first Jewish candidate for Vice President in the history of the nation), but they are taking the high moral ground--so perceived--as much as the Republicans are. And let's not forget whom Gore's wife is and what she started back in the mid-'80s (I am also against censorship).
No--thanks to the choices with which we've been left, I am seriously thinking of voting Green Party. Ralph Nader was responsible for forcing the auto industry to put safety belts in cars, among other things, and however else you feel about him, from what I have read and heard, he seems to be the more sensible choice in 2000.

I Feel That The Clinton Administration Pure Evil So I Was Leaning... Aug 12th. at 4:17:49 pm EDT

Cherice Look (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 19 - Email

I feel that the Clinton administration pure evil so I was leaning towards voting for Bush instead of Gore. Also I feel that republicans are doing more to promote less government involvement and more personal freedoms. When I heard about Bush's v/p voting against all kinds of clean air and water laws and voting so adimently against gays my opinion has changed. Now I just probably wont vote at all. I feel a new party needs to be established. One that is based on keeping our earth beautiful, protecting personal rights, and promoting love and peace instead of money and hipocrosy. I think a revolution is in order these are the worst canidates ive ever seen in my 19 years of life.

Yout American Politics Don't A Lot Of Sense To Me. I Am... Aug 12th. at 8:14:33 pm EDT

Rathalyn Starwind (Sundre, Alberta CA) Age: 31 - Email

Yout American politics don't a lot of sense to me. I AM CANADIAN and I much prefer our system, where you don't vote for a person but a party. There are five poarties sitting the House of Commons (they make the laws here). No leader can put forward a personal agenda unless he can convince his ENTIRE PARTY that it is a good idea. Of particular interest: One party whose leader somehow managed to sneak "Christian values" into the party platform had to BACK OFF to even get one member elected. I never heard a thing about it until a new leader (who is a little worse on that point) was recently chosen. His opponents where making a point of pointing out his religious views, so I think he too will have to tone it down.

Those of you thinking of moving to Canada, welcome and rest assured that you will probably not have to worry too much anytime soon.

I Am Leaning Towards Either The Libertarian Or The Green Party (still... Aug 12th. at 11:30:39 pm EDT

Li Ferelwing (Houston, Texas US) Age: 23

I am leaning towards either the Libertarian or the Green Party (still learning their platforms) however if I dont like them then I will be voting democrat.

I refuse to put anything behind the new Bush. He has proven that he is insensitive to other religions and therefore I dont want him in a position where he can nominate the next justices for the Supreme court. I will vote for ANYONE but him!

Yes I am registered to vote and yes I will be voting. I have yet to determine who I will vote for yet. Mostly because I want to do more research on their actions rather than their words.

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