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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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As With Somemany Others I Have Spent Much Of This Day Watching... Sep 11th. at 10:33:03 pm UTC

GoldenEagle (Oakland, California US) Age: 34 - Email


As with somemany others I have spent much of this day watching the news in horror and trying to reach my family in Manhattan. They are safe and sound, thank the Gods, yet the pain and shock remain.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all who have lost loved ones and friends - and to the ones who have no answers yet. My energy to thee - may it do thee well.

Blessed Lady and Lord watch over us all on this deeply wrenching night.
Keep us safe from harm, guide our loved ones who have died to into your loving arms and help us find a more peaceful tomorow.

Blessed Be,

GoldenEagle, a daughter of New York


I Can't Believe It.things Like Today Make Me Worry For The... Sep 11th. at 10:35:57 pm UTC

MoonSong (Williamston, Michigan US) Age: 21 - Email


I can't believe it.

Things like today make me worry for the children that, goddess willing, I may one day bring into this world.

Things like today make me worry for the children that today were innocent to what happened - the babes held tight in their mothers arms, the toddlers more intent on eating furniture than watching CNN, the school children who know lots of people were killed but don't know why.

Things like today make me worry for the children that all of us were, and because of todays events, are a little less...

May the souls of those who died today be comforted in their home among the spirits, and may the dogs who perpetrated this act be punished eternally (they are the one use I have for that Christian Hell...)...



On The Upswing, Finally, From Some Stupid Tenacious Flu-buggy Type Sickness, I... Sep 11th. at 10:48:06 pm UTC

Secular Pagan (Minneapolis, Minnesota US) Age: 37 - Email


On the upswing, finally, from some stupid tenacious flu-buggy type sickness, I was a bit tired Monday afternoon when I left work and advised my co-workers I would probably sleep in and come in a little later in the morning than usual on Tuesday.

Monday night, despite my fatigue, I had trouble sleeping. Edgy, jittery, who knows, maybe it was a premonition.

Tuesday, drag my butt out of bed ca. 8:30 a.m., putter about a bit on the PC, but no news sites (my browser start page is blank, because I hate waiting for the home page to load every time I open a window), showered, dressed, fixed some breakfast to bring with me and eat at work.

Beautiful early-autumn morning in Minneapolis: clear, bright blue sky, comfortably cool but not chilly. Doot-da-doo, drive, park, walk into the employee entrance. I show my ID, and it takes a moment to register that the guard, for once, did not give the obligatory I-saw-it-thank- you nod, but had his eyes glued on the screen of the TV tuned, as usual, to CNN. I then noticed others were clustered around, not moving on into the building but likewise watching TV. I turned, looked up...

What the f***?

Some kind of crash...explosion...?

Terrorists have attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center, I'm told. When did this happen? About quarter to nine their time; quarter to eight our time. And then they attacked the Pentagon.

Holy f***.

I'm numb, staring. I stand there for a good 10 or 15 minutes watching the story unfold (or probably retold, at that point) on TV. Finally, I bestir myself, realize I'd better get to work, and meander upstairs, numb, stunned, trying to take it all in, shutting it out as soon as my mind starts to wrap around the enormity and the horror of it all.

I went through the motions. Heard the stories, the fears: people who knew people who worked in the World Trade Center, or had friends or relatives with friends and relatives out there.

A woman whose best friend since kindergarten worked at the Pentagon; anxiously she awaited hearing from her, tried without luck to contact her.

Another woman whose brother was a complete emotional wreck: He had called her, distraught, horrified, because he and all his co-workers basically witnessed the eradication of their entire sister office in the WTC. He works for the Dallas branch of a financial corporation that had offices near the top of one of the towers, and, being the nature of the financial business, they had a continual teleconference connection between Dallas and New York. In the middle of the usual interactions, ZAP. The connection went dead. And the whole office watched the news in horror as they realized what had certainly happened to their coworkers and friends in New York.

I went through the motions. Got through the day somehow, hit periodically with waves of fatigue, shock, numbing, grief. Fortunately I had to prepare and stuff some copies of our in-house magazine to be distributed via interoffice mail, so I had a blessedly mindless manual labor task to see me through the day. There's something very grounding about folding and stuffing, folding and stuffing, no thinking required.

We talked. We vented. We stared in silence, beyond speech.

I had a meeting in the afternoon. Felt rather shaky, the mood was subdued, perfunctory. A meeting that usually drags to at least the full hour and a half was over in scarcely an hour. My turn to talk; I'm rambling, scattered, apologizing for being so fragmented and disorganized, stumbling toward coherency. The supervisor of the department asks, "Are you all right?"

I stop, nod. "I'll be fine. I just have to get thorough the day." My voice, even to my own ears, is rather less than convincing. I sound exhausted.

He takes the opportunity to remind up that the employee assistance program has resources available for helping people deal with their emotions and reactions to situations like this, and encourages us to avail ourselves of them.

I went back to my desk, by way of another stop with a couple of coworkers at a TV in a neighboring conference room. We say what's already been said a thousand times that day, then slowly drift back to our offices.

I finished the day. Came home. Son is fascinated, but emotionally indifferent. "I feel sympathy, but not empathy, " he says. I seriously consider whether his genetic material should be perpetuated.

And how many times are they going to play that F***ING footage?????


I Want To Thank Isaac Bonewits, Who Posted Below. Your Suggestion For... Sep 11th. at 10:48:28 pm UTC

Dolfijn (--, California US) Age: 32


I want to thank Isaac Bonewits, who posted below. Your suggestion for where to concentrate our magickal energies is clear and sane, an anchor in this insane crisis.

Blessed Be.


I Have No One Locally To Go To For Help With This... Sep 11th. at 10:50:06 pm UTC

galadreil (Effingham, Illinois US) Age: 36


I have no one locally to go to for help with this grief I feel. But I have lit all the white candles and asked the Lady and the Lord for guidence and help in understanding this horrible act of murder. I pray to the GODS that the people who cry tonight may find comfort.


I Look On As The United States Faces What Other Countries Wake... Sep 11th. at 10:52:05 pm UTC

Dawn Dietz (Lakeland, Florida US) Age: 32 - Email


I look on as the United States faces what other countries wake up to each and every day. I question why we would believe that we are any different then thousands of people that struggle for life across this vast world. I cry as I read posts from our neighboring countries that send healing to the U.S. In this time of crisis, understand that the world needs healing from us each and every day of our lives. If we as a community, a belief system, truly care about one another, we will take into consideration that we can change things before it becomes crisis.
After sending energy to the immediate crisis, send some to those that feel these effects as a daily concern. Tell someone that you love them and hug someone that truly needs a hug. Step back and understand that the countries that are producing this element of evil are no different then our home and hate will just fester and build more hate. We, as a people, have ignored our neighbors for too long. Our oceans are not strong enough to force them from our lives so we must take them into account and they must become a part of our everyday prayers......
We expect to be treated as we treat one another....make that begin today...and tomorrow and for the rest of our days to begin to unite our world.....


So I May Not Be As Old As Some People On Here... Sep 11th. at 11:00:51 pm UTC

Obsidiana Silverfang (Terrace) Age: 14 - Email


So i may not be as old as some people on here or as experienced but i cant shake the feeling there is more to come this may sound rash but i just cant shake the feeling.well this may sound heartless but i just dont feel sorry for the people on the flight and in the building for their families yes but ive never been the type to be upset over death im just well i can think of the exact words it like well......I know its a natural part of life and we all die at the time were supposed to there is no such thing as dieing before your time so I know that probably sounds heartless and i know i am young to be thinking like that or whatever i just have and understanding of what im saying so if you dont like what i said well you can just ignore this its not neccessary to read but if it helped someone or something i guess it wasnt all that bad.
Blessed be
-Obsidiana


To Those Responsible For The Acts Of Terrorism Today:may You Find... Sep 11th. at 11:01:05 pm UTC

Meghan (Aurora, Colorado US) Age: 31


To those responsible for the acts of terrorism today:

May you find no shelter or peace. May your thirst not be slaked, may you belly ache in hunger at a feast. May those who harbor you turn you out naked before vengeance. May your friends turn their back, your spouse make you wither, and your children spit on you. May you be turned out from under your rock quickly, and thrown in chains of burning iron. May your flesh be torn asunder slowly, and your heart roasted over the open flame. You will be found, and you will be punished. Go mbrise do chuid naimhde thś. may your enemies break you.

So says Meghan, Miadhachain Breachadh ni Choncobhair


When I First Heard The News I Didn't Believe It. Like Many... Sep 11th. at 11:01:09 pm UTC

Big John (South Amboy, New Jersey US) Age: 40


When I first heard the news I didn't believe it. Like many, I watched the in horror as the second tower collapsed on live TV this morning. What made it all too real for me was seeing the smoke/dust cloud with my own eyes. I live in central/eastern New Jersey and I used to be able to see the towers from a local beach. Last night, I took a walk on that beach (as I often do) after dark. It was a warm clear night, before moon rise. I saw the towers for the last time then. What a tragedy.

What worries me now is the anger I've seen in many of the people I've met today. Too many are just looking for someone to blame. Revenge is all that's on their mind. Yet we don't even know who is responsible as yet.

So I call upon everyone out there to keep a cool head. Let's worry about helping the victims for now, then we should find the truth about what happened and who is responsible before we, as a nation, take action.

My heart is very heavy tonight.

Big John


So I May Not Be As Old As Some People On Here... Sep 11th. at 11:01:17 pm UTC

Obsidiana Silverfang (Terrace) Age: 14 - Email


So i may not be as old as some people on here or as experienced but i cant shake the feeling there is more to come this may sound rash but i just cant shake the feeling.well this may sound heartless but i just dont feel sorry for the people on the flight and in the building for their families yes but ive never been the type to be upset over death im just well i can think of the exact words it like well......I know its a natural part of life and we all die at the time were supposed to there is no such thing as dieing before your time so I know that probably sounds heartless and i know i am young to be thinking like that or whatever i just have and understanding of what im saying so if you dont like what i said well you can just ignore this its not neccessary to read but if it helped someone or something i guess it wasnt all that bad.
Blessed be
-Obsidiana


My Country Is Under Siege And I Am In Canada, Helpless To... Sep 11th. at 11:03:21 pm UTC

Ananda (Kitchener, Ontario CA) Age: 30 - Email


My country is under siege and I am in Canada, helpless to do anything other than light a candle and pray to Mother Kali. To all my brothers and sisters in the United States, I wish you the strength to carry on. As are many, I am sending healing, strength, and protection.

I hope together we may be enough.


I Have Been Watching The News All Day, Ever Since My Mother... Sep 11th. at 11:03:51 pm UTC

Puck Shadowdrake (Ypsilanti, Michigan US) Age: 44 - Email


I have been watching the news all day, ever since my mother woke me up with this. This has just been mind-numbing!!! Watching the photos of the carnage over and over will probably haunt me the rest of my life!
May the Goddess and God watch over us all...WE NEED IT!!!
Puck Shadowdrake, HP,
Circle of Glas Dracorum


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