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Question of the Week: 104 - 3/24/2003

Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq?

Many people were initially for or against the possibility of a war in Iraq. Now that it is a reality and troops are on the ground, have you changed your mind or your position on the war?

Do you think that anti-war protests should cease? Do you think that an even greater divide has opened up between those who hold differing ideologies?

Do you think that the suspension of certain civil liberties for security reasons is appropriate during war time? Do YOU feel safer? Will the world be more secure because of this action?

What – if anything – concerns you the most about the war in Iraq?

 Reponses:   There are 258 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


A Grandma's Prayer To Goddess Apr 1st. at 12:41:11 pm UTC

Granny (USA) Age: 49 - Email


Goddess, guide our troubled world to peace, help us to open our hearts and minds and spirits. Give the will to love and and forgive and forgive our selves. Help us to combine our energy to send it to Iraq to send that love and healing to ease the suffering. To hasten the end of this terrible war. To lessen the bloodshed and deaths. To expose the were abouts of this one Saddam Hussein and his inner circle of minions so that he can have the chance to stand before the world and be made to take responsibility for the harm that he has inflicted on his own people. And
Goddess help us to thwart the efforts of the mad men in Washington D.C. from becoming the new Dictators of this 21st century. Goddess give us the will to hold the resonance to help the world to wake up and end war once and for all, so that we may live in peace and tolerance, and freedom and love, and enlightenment, and justice, and safety, and trust. And Goddess let this be everywhere on our Beloved Earth, we know that it will take a long time but help us to hold the candles and light new ones everywhere. From here to there and everywhere inbetween so that the warmth of the candles grows and warms the hearts of all and there is no war and bombs and terrorists and dictators and no more mad men with schemes, and hidden agendas, but only the love and the light and the light of the candles and the light of the pillars of light that we all are.
Blessed Goddess and Beloved Horned God, All That IS, help us to empower our candles to light other candles and save or world.
Blessed Be


I Will Take Those Questions... Apr 1st. at 1:05:21 pm UTC

Maleciah (Oregon) Age: 25 - Email


If this war is about liberating the Iraqi people...

a. Why are the US using bombs containing depleted uranium which means that 50% of the population of some cities are expected to develop cancer within the next 10 years?

>To answer that the DU rounds are not the only thing that are in our military arsenal has Depleated Uranium. Our own tanks have Depleated Uranium armor on the Abrahms tanks. If it is going to turn Iraq green it will turn our troops green too. and our troops would be dying due to it as well. If this is happening I honestly can not say but it would be collateral damage if that was the case. And they have been around the metal ALOT longer than the people of Iraq. Our troops trained in it!! (please refer to: home.inreach.com/marine/usmc13.html )

b. Why are they bombing water supplies, food stores and farms?

> I have seen the satellite photos showing with out a doubt S.A.M. sites on the ground right outside the fence of those facilities. HELLO he is turning hospitals into make shift fortresses. you think THIS is beneath him?

c. Why are the US planning to give control of the port of Um-Kasr to a major US company who Bush has been friendly with for a number of years?

> The ultimate say will be by the Iraqi people and they have the option open to them to go with arab oil companies based out of other countries in the region. Those contracts are to manage the fields in the interum.

Come on guys, it just doesn't quite add up does it. Your country is being run by a bunch of gangsters and your media is telling you a load of lies.
For some info from a perspective other than Bush's, have a look at www.zmag.org www.aljazeerah.info or your regional indymedia.

I read Aj-jazeera, abu dahbi, and several other arab news sites and watch them just as much as I do cnn, and fox. The simple fact is that they are ALL LYING. they are spewing the propoganda war that Iraq and the US are dictating and if you can't see that it is happening on both sides then you are acting truly gullable. the truth is in the middle. and it is there, you just have to want to look for it.


Hey Malaciah Apr 1st. at 1:36:13 pm UTC

Fluffy T. Bunny (Chicago) Age: 24 - Email


You've said you piece now. Ans said it, and said it. Of the last 20 posts, at least a quarter are yours, and the amount is higher for some of the earlier posts.

Why this need to dominate and monopalize the discussion?

We all know where you stand, now, and this isn't a discussion board. Please be quiet and let some other people express their opinions.


Whats Your Plan For Peace Then?? Apr 1st. at 1:40:37 pm UTC

GO USA (DC) Age: 25 - Email


Got this from an email going around. But i really think that its right.

I see a lot of people on the television yelling for peace, but I have not heard of one plan for peace. "Books, not Bombs" won't work. The head mullahs won't let anyone read them. If they do, they poke their eyes out. Here's the plan:

1) The US will apologize to the world for ur "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, mussolini, Tojo, Marshal Petain and the rest of them good old boys. We will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
Germany, France, South Korea and the Philippines.
They don't want us there.
We would station troops at our borders. No more sneaking through
holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get thei affairs together and leave.
We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be
gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are.
France would welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days in
America unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would
be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide here
Asylum would not ever be available to anyone.
We don't need any more cab drivers.

5) No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't
attend classes, they get a "F" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self sufficient energy wise.
This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but will require
a temporary drilling for oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have
to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for
their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else.

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will
not "interfere". They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement
or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given
to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if any, anyway.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place.
We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, it would
make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can
call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan?


Perplexed Apr 1st. at 3:02:01 pm UTC

Lucas Smith (Surrey, B.C. Canada) Age: 45 - Email


I am totally against this war, or any war for that matter. I am not totally convinced that "Liberation" of Iraq is Bush's ultimate goal. If there were not such a large oil supply in that country that the U.S. wants control of the Americans and the British wouldn't have invaded. I mean the Koreans have nuclear weapons of mass destruction as well, but you don't see them being threatend to disarm "or else". It reaaly maakes me wonder what Bush's true motive is. Lucas Smith


In The Gray... Sort Of. Apr 1st. at 3:51:22 pm UTC

Jason Dass (Milwaukie, OR) Age: 22 - Email


The war probably wasn't the wisest choice that could've been made, but the way I figure it, it's not the worst. The guy's a heartless bastard. If someone can roast him alive, the better off we all are. Saddam, that is. I don't much appreciate "the education president, " seeing as how I live in Oregon. But Saddam is a traditional arab coming up on 70 years old. He won't step down, and he won't dismantle his weapons. What would you prefer we do? Wait until he has the capability to strike at us? I wouldn't.

-Jason


Just More Determined Apr 1st. at 3:57:00 pm UTC

Billy (florida) Age: 28 - Email


Watching Iraq call for terrorist acts, torture and execute American POW's, and kill their own people only reinforces the need to remove this evil from the world. They still propagate lies, and show executed POW's on arab TV. They are violating international law as a matter of principle. The Iraqi government has no regard for human life, especially the Iraqi people. With every heinous act my resolve grows stronger.


Granny's Prayer... Apr 1st. at 4:13:52 pm UTC

wendella (kenosha, wi) Age: 38 - Email


Granny.....thank you for the beautiful prayer you posted in this forum. It shines a light on the dark path we are on. I copied to read over and over again. Very inspirational!

Blessed Be to you and all!

Wendella


Fairs Fair.. Apr 1st. at 5:03:23 pm UTC

Maleciah (Oregon) Age: 25 - Email


Understood. Thanks for letting me.


I Am Still For It Apr 1st. at 6:14:48 pm UTC

Nokomis (OK) Age: 25 - Email


We did that country a grave diservice by leaving Saddam over there and in power after the first Gulf war.

We left those people in danger. Both Saddam and his family and republican guards regularly kidnap, beat, torture, starve, rape and kill their people. Food sent over there to feed that countries citizens is used to pay for expansive palaces for Saddam to hide out in. He lives in luxery while his people starve.

He claims to be a Muslim, yet encourages terror acts and the rape of women. These are not the actions of a spiritually minded man. Saddam is a cancer and he needs to be removed.

If we were there for control of the oil, why didn't we take any of it in the first conflict there?

If anyone is in this for the oil, its the French, they've been cutting deals with Iraq for ages now to get cheap oil. They've gone on record as saying they "might" help the US IF Iraq uses biological weapons against us. MIGHT! Anti-war protesters in France smashed the windows of a local McDonalds while innocent people were eating. The workers there and the dinning patrons had to be protected by Police. How peaceful is that? Attacking a privately, not to mention locally owned business in the name of Peace? What's next? Are they going to start shooting people for drinking cokes in the street?

Its rediculous!

I don't really care for Bush, I think he's got horrible policy on the environment and that he caters too much to big business. However I feel this war effort is a good thing if it will mean the Iraqi people will be free of Suddam's tyrany.

I'm not saying our country doesn't make mistakes either, but we need to remember that by the worlds standards our country is still relatively young. Because of how our country was created we have a strong love of the underdog. However, that doesn't always come with a large measure of common sense. We shouldn't have supported him to begin with no matter if we needed his help against Iran or not, but we did. We now have the opportunity to correct past mistakes, and I believe that is what we are doing.

Thinking that this war is needed does not make me a war monger. Saying that I hope Kali dances on his corpse doesn't either. The man is an infected hair in the middle of a boil on the butt of humanity. A thick dark hair, crusted by pus. The world will be better off when his regime is ended.


Colin Powell Paraphrase & Personal Opinion Apr 1st. at 7:41:36 pm UTC

PepperoftheEarth (Austin, TX) Age: 99 - Email


(The following paraphrase captures the spirit of the real event. The much longer original version is available online.)

When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by a former Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush. He answered by saying that, "Over the past 100 years, the United States has sent many of its fine youngmen and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." It became very quiet in the room.

It isn't
... the land. Iraq is only about the size of California and we are long past our days of nation expansion.

... the oil. Hussein would have been delighted to sell us the oil cheaply. And, the future Iraq government might decide to charge us more to help rebuild their country.

It is
... chemical weapons that we know he has because he has used them. And, his missile construction capability is very competent.

... the largest land army in the Middle East with a supreme commander that believes he and his line will reestablish the old Persian Empire.

... wholesale rape, murder, and torture of civilians.

... genocide of the Kurds.

In World War II -- Jews, Gypsies, Christian priests who wouldn't go along, members of magical lodges, and many others died horrendous deaths in concentration camps. Some died quickly and others spent years being tortured in experiments, vivisections, flayed resulting in human skin lamp shades, and more. Yet, there were those who said, "that is an internal affair" or "none of our business" even though they knew what was going on.

If we fail to act when we can, we are guilty of the "sins of the witness." Or, to steal back an old pagan/I Chingish saying from some spiritual plagiarists, "There is a time for war, and there is a time for peace." When does it stop? When all men and women are free.


Terrorism? Apr 1st. at 7:58:42 pm UTC

Skeggi (NZ) Age: 32 - Email


Fighting in defence of your country against and invader, by any means can not be terrorism.
How else could these people fight.
Skeggi


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