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Question of the Week: 104 - 3/24/2003

Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq?

Many people were initially for or against the possibility of a war in Iraq. Now that it is a reality and troops are on the ground, have you changed your mind or your position on the war?

Do you think that anti-war protests should cease? Do you think that an even greater divide has opened up between those who hold differing ideologies?

Do you think that the suspension of certain civil liberties for security reasons is appropriate during war time? Do YOU feel safer? Will the world be more secure because of this action?

What – if anything – concerns you the most about the war in Iraq?

 Reponses:   There are 258 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


What Is Truth? Apr 2nd. at 11:08:55 am EST

Esther (michigan) Age: 50 - Email


It is hard to be for or against something when you suspect the reason for the war are highly suspect. I believe the reason for taking Iraq is more due to location-take out a map and look at the surrounding countries-most are terrorist bearing and supporting. Taking Iraq is then a good strategy for our war on terror or our worst nightmare depending on the outcome. I support our troops. As for the protesters-the real , sincere protesters are just fine. What i don"t like is all the ones who are backed by various groups and seem to protest for a living. They pop up at every protest there is and if you closly read the signs you can pick them out-over and over again. They need to get a life and i mean a real one.


Mind Not Changed Apr 2nd. at 11:24:06 am EST

Night Eagle (Ft Stewart/Savannah, GA) Age: 41 - Email


It is sad that young men and women have to put their very life on the line in order to bring about change. I consider myself to be a compassionate person and would not turn someone away or look the other way if they needed help. Yes, we live in the "land of the free, and the home of the BRAVE." and because of this we have the ability to help those in need (or should we turn our backs and pretend it does not exist?) . The world is becoming a smaller and smaller place and soon this could be on our doorsteps and in our streets, I for one kiss my baby boy every night, telling him to have sweet dreams, what have the mothers in Iraq been whispering in their babies ears for the last 25 years. They are all in my heart and prayers.


Getting Hard To Be Loving Apr 2nd. at 11:35:36 am EST

Gunshythirdeye (Anchorage, Alaska) Age: 49 - Email


This supbject continues to be a rollarcoaster of emotions.
One day I feel forgiving and understanding.
The next I get angry at the horrible acts of such dishonorible behavior.
It is truly testing my nature to be loving.
I never thought that I would see a time when I would feel an anger and almost hate towards a paticular group of people and a certain religion and wonder what they stand for.
I know that most of them hate us who are Infidels in their eyes.
Anger on this magnitude is not an easy emotion for me to accept in my standard that I have set for me.
But the horrible things that I see on TV and read on the internet, and I do try to keep my sources as broad as I can in order to be fare and get news from all the different sides.
I hope that we get them and make them pay.
Then maybe just maybe we can show the rest of them that they cannot get away with kind of behavior anymore.
And there are a group of people in Washington D.C. who need to answer for their part in putting so many in harms way too.
So I have to try and forgive my self for feeling so dark over all of this.
Love and Light that's what I have to remember


My Ultimate Fears.. Apr 2nd. at 1:54:22 pm EST

Maleciah (Oregon) Age: 25 - Email


I am not concerned as to whether we will get the regime out. I am also hearing reports that Iraqis are fighting on the front lines with us. I hvae only a fox news link that shows it but I would like to focus will and intent on that happening more and more as we progress. I am afraid that we and other countries sealed our own fate to resolve this peacefully when we all gave him chem/bio/nuclear capabilities.

But the two things that really scare me. Bush and his patriot acts. I don't think it is childish to say that you are scared of bush and what he is doing. I think it is honest and sincere. I am scared of bush too simply cause of the seat he now occupies. And I plan to convey that fear with my vote and hope that those that didn't vote last time make the effort to do so this time and get rid of him as president. I just don't want him as a president.

The other fear I have is that we are not going to find Saddam and he is going to become as elusive to get as Osama Bin Laden is currently. That scares me greatly. If it shows those chemical and bio weapons are not in Iraq. They were not all used. and there is no evidence to date saying they have been destroyed. I am worried a terror group he has hid them so that when we take baghdad, he can escape and use them or worse give them to osama.

I appologize if some of you feel I have dominated this board but I would like to think I had alot to bring to it. and unlike some I know where the freedom of speach boundary is. and that means while I aknowledge what was said regarding my posting frequency I will tone it down.... but I will not shut up. Anymore than anyone else in here.

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Just A Thought Apr 2nd. at 2:42:31 pm EST

Skeggi (NZ) Age: 32 - Email


Seeing as the US and Britain have declared war on Iraq, then I would be right in asuming that any attack by these groups by any means on US or Brit soil or against its persons would be an act of war and not of Terrorism?
That could be interesting now couldnt it?
Skeggi


No, My View Has Not Changed Apr 2nd. at 3:12:31 pm EST

slackfoomaster (Oregon) Age: 29 - Email


I have not changed my position on the war. i am all for it, someone needs to step in and stop the garbage that saddam is saying and doing. i have a couple of friends that used to live in Iraq and 2 of them were in the republican guard and i have heard some of the tatics that saddam uses to get his troops to do what he wants and believe me if he walks up to me and says that if i dont't do what he says he will kill my entire family while i watch and then kill me I will do anything he says. One of my friends told me how he watched his best friend say no and then watched as his family was slaughtered and then he was killed and his body dragged through town. Now to all of those peopl who think that we are just over there for OIL well just think of what I just said and then rethink your position.

Now, the protesters, if you want to protest thats fine but when you decide to spit on and throw things at the family's of service men and women well you have stepped over the line. I was out with my best friend and her husband is in the reserve's and we drove to a mall and she has a base sticker on her car window and there was a few people there who saw the sticker and started to thow things at her and her 3 year old child and that made me mad. i was about to step in when a cop stopped and asked what the problem was and we explained what had happened and because one of the things that were thrown was a rock and it hit my friend in the side they sited the person who threw the rock.Then we had to explain to her child why these people are trying to hurt us and what did we do to deserve what they did...I guess the main issue I have with the protesters is that they say they want piece and no violence but they have no problem spitting on people and throwing things at people and destroying property.

I guess the hardest thing for me to understand is how can people act this way and then hide behind there rights to do what they do, when people many years ago gave up there lives so they can have these rights. I believe in the rights that we have and i cherish them but there are some people who cross those lines and they should be punished.

Just like anyother war there are hidden motives and some are good and some are bad but remember this is war people and things will be done that are not popular to alot of people. For example the van full of women and children taht were trying to run the check point and they would not stop so they got fired on and inocent people lost there lives and that pist alot of people off but look at it from the other side, if they were not stopped and they had a trunk full of explosives and they were allowed to get to a public place and do a suicide bombing we would catch hell for not stopping them before they got there. Basically no matter what the americans do we are in the wrong. If we help we are wrong and if we dont help we are wrong. Well what can we do. Being as powerful as we are we have become the big brother of the world, we are expected to help everyone and if we dont we are we are bastards.So we have to take the good with the bad. Hopefully this will end as soon as possible so we can bring our men and women home...


Hrm... Apr 2nd. at 3:50:37 pm EST

Lugh Branwen (Brooklyn, NY) Age: 34 - Email


Well the attitude seems to be shifting I think, but I do want address something specific. Some here fear that If we continue on this war, that the terrorists attacks will continue. Here is the sad truth, they would continue none the less. Keep In mind that The US is hated by many of these fanatics because we are (If only in appearance) Proof that People of Differing faiths and religions can live in relative peace. Something to Keep in mind that these people (The terrorists) Do Not care about if we appease them or not. THEY WANT TO KILL US!!! Just for being alive, Just for differing with them. Like the Nazis there is No reasoning with them. Also keep in Mind that if the Extremeists win, We are one of the first victims they would choose because we are "Idol-Worshippers" and if you think the X-ian Fundies are bad, the Muslims are Much WORSE...Much More so.
Either way they will look for a reason to Hate us even if we pulled out of Iraq Now. Even if we abandonned Isreal...Even if we let them put their perverse religion into our Land as the official religion. Saddam is only too happy to Help them come at us because we show that it is possible for people to Not only Live here, but to prosper, to grow and to worship as we choose.
Should we then try to appease people like that?
The answer is Hell NO.


Mind Hasn't Changed, War Unfortunately Is Necessary At Times Apr 2nd. at 3:52:12 pm EST

Demetrius (Portland, OR) Age: 21 - Email


As I write this I see varying and very strong opinions on both side as to validity of this war and what it's real purpose is. First on the Oil question: As many have pointed out the US get's very little of it's oil from Iraq and if anything we'll be spending money to help them get that infrastructure fully rebuilt and modernized as it's been largely unmaintained since the first Gulf War. Secondly, as far as this being an imperialist American action to take land, when in the modern wars after the full realization of America as we know it today have we conquered a country to take it's land? If that was the case we wouldn't have been happy with just Hawaii or just Alaska as both have huge strategic values in multiple directions for the "conquest" that America is supposedly so interested in now. Third on civilian casualties I have full confidence in our armed forces to spare life wherever possible, civilian or not. If we weren't concerned about this then we wouldn't be dropping precision bombs that have the capability to destroy equipment on one floor of a building and leave the rest intact. Yes technology in bombs or otherwise malfunctions this is tragic any life lost is never good. However at this state of mankind's development war is still necessary we aren't all free and the utopia pictured in Star Trek is not reality yet, may that level of advancement in technology and evolution of the human mind come as soon as possible.

On the anti-war protests I don't think they should necessarily stop but keep them peaceful and on the sidewalks, don't disrupt other's lives unneccessarily by blocking streets or highways when they're just trying to get to work in the morning.

Do I think some self-freedom's should be given up in time of war? NO! which leads me to the next question of feeling secure or not. I do not support Bush in his "faith-based initiatives" that he wishes to enact nor do I like the Patriot act at all and am extremely frightened by further restrictions being placed on American's lives by certain elements within our government that want these controls/monitoring capabilities.

Will the world be safer, hard to say at this point on the whole world, however the Iraqi people will certainly be safer without having to worry about their family being killed, tortured, or raped for simply speaking what is in their mind.

What concerns me most about the war so far is the safety of our soldiers that are in the enemy's hands right now, we got one back, let's continue hoping, praying, sending energy, working spells, whatever works for you to help as many of our people come home safe and sound.

BB

-Demetrius


No Apr 2nd. at 4:00:30 pm EST

Old Gray Mouse (Sturbridge, MA) Age: 65 - Email


No I have not changed my mind about Bushy's war. I was opposed to it before and if anything am more so now.
My America, the one I served, does not attack another country unprovoked--but they did.

For the first time in my life I am ashamed of my country.

Of course I and most protesters support the military, we just don't support Bush or his war. The few protesters who spit on or insulted military people are just ignorant.

This war has been planned for years and they finally went and did it. The contracts to rebuild Iraq were signed and sealed before the war. The company with these contracts is Halliburton headed by, guess who, Dick Cheney. Other companies were frozen out of the bidding.
Condoleeza Rice (sounds like a side dish) is on the board of a petroleum company (Occidental?) .
Bush himself has his Harken.
Need more be said?

mouse


The Most Important Thing Apr 2nd. at 5:00:46 pm EST

Spencer Bilodeau (Vancouver, BC, Canada) Age: 33 - Email


My mind has not been changed. To me, war is wrong, for any reason.
Life is the most fundamental, the most important thing. It is a gift that should be cherished. Politics, idealism, economy...none of these can override that, nor are they more important. IF a basic respect and love for life were universal, then there would be no such thing as terrorism or war.
That, to me, is the bottom line. Life, and the love of life, is the most important thing.


No, My View Has Not Changed Apr 2nd. at 5:44:13 pm EST

slackfoomaster (Oregon) Age: 29 - Email


I have not changed my position on the war. i am all for it, someone needs to step in and stop the garbage that saddam is saying and doing. i have a couple of friends that used to live in Iraq and 2 of them were in the republican guard and i have heard some of the tatics that saddam uses to get his troops to do what he wants and believe me if he walks up to me and says that if i dont't do what he says he will kill my entire family while i watch and then kill me I will do anything he says. One of my friends told me how he watched his best friend say no and then watched as his family was slaughtered and then he was killed and his body dragged through town. Now to all of those peopl who think that we are just over there for OIL well just think of what I just said and then rethink your position.

Now, the protesters, if you want to protest thats fine but when you decide to spit on and throw things at the family's of service men and women well you have stepped over the line. I was out with my best friend and her husband is in the reserve's and we drove to a mall and she has a base sticker on her car window and there was a few people there who saw the sticker and started to thow things at her and her 3 year old child and that made me mad. i was about to step in when a cop stopped and asked what the problem was and we explained what had happened and because one of the things that were thrown was a rock and it hit my friend in the side they sited the person who threw the rock.Then we had to explain to her child why these people are trying to hurt us and what did we do to deserve what they did...I guess the main issue I have with the protesters is that they say they want piece and no violence but they have no problem spitting on people and throwing things at people and destroying property.

I guess the hardest thing for me to understand is how can people act this way and then hide behind there rights to do what they do, when people many years ago gave up there lives so they can have these rights. I believe in the rights that we have and i cherish them but there are some people who cross those lines and they should be punished.

Just like anyother war there are hidden motives and some are good and some are bad but remember this is war people and things will be done that are not popular to alot of people. For example the van full of women and children taht were trying to run the check point and they would not stop so they got fired on and inocent people lost there lives and that pist alot of people off but look at it from the other side, if they were not stopped and they had a trunk full of explosives and they were allowed to get to a public place and do a suicide bombing we would catch hell for not stopping them before they got there. Basically no matter what the americans do we are in the wrong. If we help we are wrong and if we dont help we are wrong. Well what can we do. Being as powerful as we are we have become the big brother of the world, we are expected to help everyone and if we dont we are we are bastards.So we have to take the good with the bad. Hopefully this will end as soon as possible so we can bring our men and women home...


Haven't Changed Mah Mind Apr 2nd. at 8:23:21 pm EST

kitten (iowa) Age: 15 - Email


no, i haven't changed my mind at all about the war in Iraq. i am still very much against it and i will continue to be. i don't believe that this war should have started in the first place.


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