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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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Gary A.'s Statements About Harry Browne Are Unfortunately So Far Off-base... Aug 17th. at 3:07:02 pm UTC

David K. M. Klaus (St. Louis, Missouri US) Age: 44 - Email


Gary A.'s statements about Harry Browne are unfortunately so far off-base as to be Newspeakish black=white and right=wrong; he ascribes some positions to Browne which are diametrically opposite of Browne's true positions.

Mr. A. states that Mr. Browne wishes abortion to be illegal. The reality is that the official Browne/Libertarian Party position is that the Constitution does not permit the federal government to take a position on abortion in either direction, either to pass laws aganst it or to provide money to pay for it.

I suppose if someone were to deliberately, willfully, blindly ignore Mr. Browne's unconditional opposition to the criminalizing of abortion, then he or she could say based on the above that he's against a woman's right to choose, but only if.

Mr. A. states that Mr. Browne is against gay rights. The reality is that the official Browne/Libertarian Party position is that anti-gay laws such as sodomy laws are an unconstitutional invasion of individual privacy and should be stricken from the books -- government shouldn't be in anybody's bedroom, either gay or straight.

Mr. Browne *is* against hate crime laws on the basis that murder is murder, and murder for hate is not more immoral than murder for money, and believes that owners of rental property should have final say over the renting of their property, even if their reasoning is stupid, ham-fisted, or whimsical, on the basis that government shouldn't be taking upon itself to decide the validity of personal decisions of property owners.

I suppose if someone were to deliberately, willfully, blindly ignore Mr. Browne's unconditional opposition to the criminalizing of gay sex, then he or she could say based on the above that he's against gay rights, but only if.


Aloha All, Well I Will Tell You I Am Not Voting For... Aug 17th. at 8:42:58 pm UTC

Caroline Bacon (Kailua, Hawaii US) Age: 25 - Email


Aloha all, Well i will tell you I am NOT voting for Governor George W. Bush.I am registered to vote and will be there in November. If you all have not already heard he has made June 10 offical Jesus day in Texas. What next if he becomes president, prayer in schools or maybe he will decide that the state does have a say in our religon and try and change the laws! Wow, something to think about. It is very scarry too as we have fought long and hard to come this far and we all must come together and be heard; now is the time to stand up for what we believe to be true. To read it for your selves go to this site...

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/jesusday.htm


Well, Right Off The Bat, The Answers. Yes, I've Been A Registered... Aug 18th. at 12:12:08 am UTC

Lyn G (Oceanside, California US) Age: 33 - Email


Well, right off the bat, the answers. Yes, I've been a registered voter since the day I turned 18. I don't lean toward parties or platforms, because the truth is no one can meet all my opinions with one party or platform. I will vote, and as of this moment it will be for VP Gore.

I've read a number of posts that refer to making a choice between the lesser of two evils. The truth, imho, is that we don't face a situation of a lesser of *two* evils, rather we face a reality of many of them. We have a two party system that will not change, no matter how many alternative parties we create. We have candidates who must campaign on looks and charisma while they avoid the issues for fear of losing the big dollar backers or losing the short attention spans of an apathetic public.

Get involved. Get your friends and family involved. Especially if they don't agree with your views. The only way we will have a system that works is if we put the people back into it. Some of the best lessons I ever learned came from discussing issues with people who didn't agree with my views.


I Will Be Voting For Al Gore. I Listened To His Speech... Aug 18th. at 2:45:23 am UTC

L. Norton (Livonia, Michigan US) Age: 45 - Email


I will be voting for Al Gore. I listened to his speech tonight, and that, along with other times I have seen or heard of his actions, has determined my vote. Frankly, i agree with his plans to preserve social security, i think that prescriptions should be covered by medicare, i believe in fixing the school system - the children are everyone's future, and I believe he will stand for ALL Americans, not just the Christians as George Jr. has indicated.

I firmly believe in the separation between church and state, Mr Bush treats this as a minor obstical to overcome in switching social services over to religious institutes. This will include religious practices, making religion part of the 'solution' and paying for this with Federal and State monies. I have no problem with my tax money going to social services. I do have a problem with those same social services being changed over to religious institutions so that the government can claim to provide these services as long as you go to the church that is handling them!

Also, the voucher program sponsored by many republicans embraces the idea that it is ok to leave a child behind in a troubled school system. I firmly believe that we need to fix the system - not throw away the kids who don't get into alternative schools. Once you leave the public school there is no guarantee of transporation or acceptance. Many parochial schools, that have signed agreements to accept students on a first come first serve basis, have found ways to get around this to keep the parishioners in first. They are still fighting these cases in courtrooms in various states. The children pay the price though!


I was under-impressed by the third party candidates.


I Feel That Everyone In This Country Should Be Politically Aware, Not... Aug 18th. at 2:59:43 am UTC

Glorianna Autumnstorm (Southern Calif, California US) Age: 29 - Email


I feel that everyone in this country should be politically aware, not just pagans. However, when issues that concern the pagan community are in the forefront, I think it is more important than ever for pagans to let their voices be heard. Some seats in the Supreme Court are going to become vacant within the next presidential term, and our choice of President will influence the type of people we have on the bench for many years to come. The make-up of the Supreme Court is going to be absolutely vital to pagans in the upcoming years, with issues like freedom of religion, prayer in schools, and a woman's right to choose hanging in the balance.

I personally am going to vote for Vice President Al Gore. When considering both of the candidates' views on the environment, religious freedom, etc... I can't imagine the alternative. I am behind Gore 100% and I do not consider him to be the lesser of two evils, as some have said. Gore is an environmental advocate, he believes in affordable health care for everyone, he plans to implement programs to sustain our economic good fortune rather than plunder it, he promotes freedom of religion, and he believes that the retirement age should stay where it is instead of being raised into the 70's. These are just a few of the things that are fresh in my mind after watching the convention, and they alone are very persuasive. Bush denies that Witchcraft/Wicca is even a genuine religion . . . and I have to say, that frightens me. With a few strategic placements in the Supreme Court, we could be living in the shadows again.

Am I leaning toward a particular candidate? I am hanging on to Al Gore for dear life! If the rest of you out there agree with me, I urge you to hang on for dear life too. Let your voice be heard . . . while voting for a member of the green party or libertarian party might make a great "statement", the reality is that those votes only take votes away from Gore, allowing Bush to press into the lead. Vote for one of the two candidates who acutally stand a chance of winning this election, and who will mostly likely control our futures for the next four to eight years! As the sayings go - I am a "Proud Patriotic Pagan", and "I am a witch . . . . and I vote"


I Belive It's Important For Pagans To Vote, As It Is For... Aug 18th. at 10:53:11 am UTC

Sharon Baker (Yulee, Florida US) Age: 46 - Email


I belive it's important for Pagans to vote, as it is for every citizin. I will vote AGAINST George W. Bush, as I am very concerned about his views on religious freedom, witchcraft in particular. At this point, I believe I will vote for Al Gore.


First Off I'm Very Pleased To See So Many People Voting Libertarian... Aug 18th. at 2:01:12 pm UTC

Winter (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 18


First off I'm very pleased to see so many people voting Libertarian. I am very anti-government involvement, and believe in EVERY type of freedom. Not just the "pc" ones. Yes, I value my religious freedom, and freedom of choice on abortion. But I feel way more threatened by Gore's attempts to register and license firearms than Bush's statements about religion. Let's look at what happens when religious (or other types of) minorities are disarmed:

"In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

"China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100, 000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300, 000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated."

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

The next time someone speaks in favor of gun control, ask them

"Who do YOU want to round up and exterminate?" We Wiccans may top the list.

With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects.

Prince Albert would make us his subjects. Don't allow him to usher in another burning times. Please vote for Browne or Bush. www.georgewbush.com www.harrybrowne2000.org The Second Amendment sisters: www.sas-aim.org


Gore.... Political Involvement Is Crucial. So Is Getting The Facts -- Winter Needs... Aug 18th. at 3:54:45 pm UTC

Widdershins (Ypsilanti, Michigan US) Age: 33


Gore.... Political involvement is crucial. So is getting the facts -- Winter needs to go look at the sources of some of those 'statistics'he/she quoted in his/her post, and take a look at Canada.


I Watched Gore's Speech Last Night (along With My Catholic Husband) And... Aug 19th. at 1:11:47 am UTC

MoonDragon (Thousand Oaks, California US) Age: 33


I watched Gore's speech last night (along with my Catholic husband) and although in the back of my mind I have a hard time believing promises until the candidate gets elected, I saw true emotion in Gore's stand on many issues. I believe that he will be fair to ALL citizens, regardless of their belief systems. Sen. Lieberman is quite popular in my home state of Connecticut and although (I'm ashamed to admit) I did not follow politics AT ALL in my younger days, I know that he has been very fair and logical in the past; I believe that political involvement is as important to pagans as it is to all citizens. The officials that are elected in this country are often elected by a SMALL majority of those eligible to vote. I am registered and make a point of voting as often as I can. It is frustrating to hear people complain about government officials when THEY DID NOT VOTE!! I'm voting for Gore....


Greetings, Neighbors... I Am A Pagan Canadian, Watching The Political Climate In... Aug 19th. at 11:51:54 am UTC

Liana (Edmonton, Alberta CA) Age: 33


Greetings, neighbors... I am a pagan Canadian, watching the political climate in your country with great interest. Simply because, if the United States was to have a president that was clearly pro-Christian, I think the negative ramifications would be felt world wide. As in all democratic countries, we ALL must exercise our right to vote. I am proud to see the strong response of the pagan community in your country. Blessings upon you, brothers and sisters, and good luck!


You Have No Right To Vote. The Rich Pick The Candidates. To... Aug 20th. at 12:50:21 am UTC

namelesswanderer (rochester hills, Michigan US) Age: 16 - Email


you have no right to vote.

the rich pick the candidates. to run for president, it costs more money than one person can possibly raise fairly. the bourgois pay them to do what they want. you have the right only to pick what your masters tell you to. and responding to what winter said, gun control is already present. hanguns and shotguns or not, normal people can't fight the US military in case the government becomes opressive. the 2nd amendment should apply to everything. i've argued this many times and almost every anti-gun argument i get has this line:"the 2nd amendment was to make sure the people could protect themselves from the British after the revolution". well, the british still claimed the US was under their rule and was to be taxed by the british. the americans would not pay so the british attacked them. if the americans had no weapons at all, they would have been killed, imprisoned, tortured, and robbed of everything they had, including their rights. which would lead to more killing, imprisonment, and torturing. now it is worse than that. the US military has control of much more than rifles. planes, tanks, and nukes. ah, the nukes. i heard from my physics instructor, who once worked for the government, making mirrors for x-ray lasers to destroy nuclear missles before the reached their target, that there are enough nuclear weapons on the planet to wipe out all life on earth 52 times over. and launching one means launching them all. we are totally screwed now. and don't go trying to speak out about this stuff too much, cuz the government will make you into a criminal. if you've ever seen "Arlington Road" then you'll know what i'm talking about. if you have ANY problem with anything i've said feel free to email me.

oh, i forgot to answer all of the qestions. i don't lean toward platforms or candidates, i am not registered to vote, as i am only 16, and political involvement is as important to pagans as "do as thou will", only when i say "political involvement, " i don't mean voting.


I Was Disappointed That So Many Of The Posts Here Reflect Votes... Aug 20th. at 9:05:02 am UTC

RenŽe Emerson (Houston, Texas US) Age: 26 - Email


I WAS DISAPPOINTED that so many of the posts here reflect votes for Al Gore. I cannot separate the fact that his platform seems to be up for bids to the highest bidder! That's more Republicrat than Democrat. I do not believe Al Gore has a mind of his own - it's all the advisors behind him pulling the strings and making the puppet speak. There's little confidence in the Democratic party behind Al.

Let's look at the tone set by each convention. Democrats: 'If you elect Al Gore...'. Republican: 'George W. Bush, the next President of the United States...' The Republicans believe they have this election wrapped up and tied with a bow with the Bush/Chaney ticket. I'll tell you what, brothers and sisters, I am from Texas and George W. Bush is the worst thing that could happen this November.

GOOD NEWS! This is NOT a two-party system. There is a better alternative!!! Check out RALPH NADER/WINONA LADUKE running on the Green Party ticket. The very bylaws of the Green Party speak to a pagan's deeper self - earth concious, population focused (instead of corporation focused), and humanitarian. Check out the Green Party's 2000 platform and make your decision - www.gp.org.

Ralph Nader has a consistent political history supporting environmental causes and people rather than corporate interests. He DOES NOT LIE DOWN FOR DOLLARS. Winona LaDuke is a Harvard educated journalist living on a Native American reservation and fighting for the rights of the native peoples. LEARN MORE! DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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