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Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Belive It's Important For Pagans To Vote, As It Is For... Aug 18th. at 10:53:11 am EDT

Sharon Baker (Yulee, Florida US) Age: 46 - Email

I belive it's important for Pagans to vote, as it is for every citizin. I will vote AGAINST George W. Bush, as I am very concerned about his views on religious freedom, witchcraft in particular. At this point, I believe I will vote for Al Gore.

First Off I'm Very Pleased To See So Many People Voting Libertarian... Aug 18th. at 2:01:12 pm EDT

Winter (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 18

First off I'm very pleased to see so many people voting Libertarian. I am very anti-government involvement, and believe in EVERY type of freedom. Not just the "pc" ones. Yes, I value my religious freedom, and freedom of choice on abortion. But I feel way more threatened by Gore's attempts to register and license firearms than Bush's statements about religion. Let's look at what happens when religious (or other types of) minorities are disarmed:

"In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

"China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100, 000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300, 000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

"Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated."

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

The next time someone speaks in favor of gun control, ask them

"Who do YOU want to round up and exterminate?" We Wiccans may top the list.

With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects.

Prince Albert would make us his subjects. Don't allow him to usher in another burning times. Please vote for Browne or Bush. The Second Amendment sisters:

Gore.... Political Involvement Is Crucial. So Is Getting The Facts -- Winter Needs... Aug 18th. at 3:54:45 pm EDT

Widdershins (Ypsilanti, Michigan US) Age: 33

Gore.... Political involvement is crucial. So is getting the facts -- Winter needs to go look at the sources of some of those 'statistics'he/she quoted in his/her post, and take a look at Canada.

I Watched Gore's Speech Last Night (along With My Catholic Husband) And... Aug 19th. at 1:11:47 am EDT

MoonDragon (Thousand Oaks, California US) Age: 33

I watched Gore's speech last night (along with my Catholic husband) and although in the back of my mind I have a hard time believing promises until the candidate gets elected, I saw true emotion in Gore's stand on many issues. I believe that he will be fair to ALL citizens, regardless of their belief systems. Sen. Lieberman is quite popular in my home state of Connecticut and although (I'm ashamed to admit) I did not follow politics AT ALL in my younger days, I know that he has been very fair and logical in the past; I believe that political involvement is as important to pagans as it is to all citizens. The officials that are elected in this country are often elected by a SMALL majority of those eligible to vote. I am registered and make a point of voting as often as I can. It is frustrating to hear people complain about government officials when THEY DID NOT VOTE!! I'm voting for Gore....

Greetings, Neighbors... I Am A Pagan Canadian, Watching The Political Climate In... Aug 19th. at 11:51:54 am EDT

Liana (Edmonton, Alberta CA) Age: 33

Greetings, neighbors... I am a pagan Canadian, watching the political climate in your country with great interest. Simply because, if the United States was to have a president that was clearly pro-Christian, I think the negative ramifications would be felt world wide. As in all democratic countries, we ALL must exercise our right to vote. I am proud to see the strong response of the pagan community in your country. Blessings upon you, brothers and sisters, and good luck!

You Have No Right To Vote. The Rich Pick The Candidates. To... Aug 20th. at 12:50:21 am EDT

namelesswanderer (rochester hills, Michigan US) Age: 16 - Email

you have no right to vote.

the rich pick the candidates. to run for president, it costs more money than one person can possibly raise fairly. the bourgois pay them to do what they want. you have the right only to pick what your masters tell you to. and responding to what winter said, gun control is already present. hanguns and shotguns or not, normal people can't fight the US military in case the government becomes opressive. the 2nd amendment should apply to everything. i've argued this many times and almost every anti-gun argument i get has this line:"the 2nd amendment was to make sure the people could protect themselves from the British after the revolution". well, the british still claimed the US was under their rule and was to be taxed by the british. the americans would not pay so the british attacked them. if the americans had no weapons at all, they would have been killed, imprisoned, tortured, and robbed of everything they had, including their rights. which would lead to more killing, imprisonment, and torturing. now it is worse than that. the US military has control of much more than rifles. planes, tanks, and nukes. ah, the nukes. i heard from my physics instructor, who once worked for the government, making mirrors for x-ray lasers to destroy nuclear missles before the reached their target, that there are enough nuclear weapons on the planet to wipe out all life on earth 52 times over. and launching one means launching them all. we are totally screwed now. and don't go trying to speak out about this stuff too much, cuz the government will make you into a criminal. if you've ever seen "Arlington Road" then you'll know what i'm talking about. if you have ANY problem with anything i've said feel free to email me.

oh, i forgot to answer all of the qestions. i don't lean toward platforms or candidates, i am not registered to vote, as i am only 16, and political involvement is as important to pagans as "do as thou will", only when i say "political involvement, " i don't mean voting.

I Was Disappointed That So Many Of The Posts Here Reflect Votes... Aug 20th. at 9:05:02 am EDT

RenŽe Emerson (Houston, Texas US) Age: 26 - Email

I WAS DISAPPOINTED that so many of the posts here reflect votes for Al Gore. I cannot separate the fact that his platform seems to be up for bids to the highest bidder! That's more Republicrat than Democrat. I do not believe Al Gore has a mind of his own - it's all the advisors behind him pulling the strings and making the puppet speak. There's little confidence in the Democratic party behind Al.

Let's look at the tone set by each convention. Democrats: 'If you elect Al Gore...'. Republican: 'George W. Bush, the next President of the United States...' The Republicans believe they have this election wrapped up and tied with a bow with the Bush/Chaney ticket. I'll tell you what, brothers and sisters, I am from Texas and George W. Bush is the worst thing that could happen this November.

GOOD NEWS! This is NOT a two-party system. There is a better alternative!!! Check out RALPH NADER/WINONA LADUKE running on the Green Party ticket. The very bylaws of the Green Party speak to a pagan's deeper self - earth concious, population focused (instead of corporation focused), and humanitarian. Check out the Green Party's 2000 platform and make your decision -

Ralph Nader has a consistent political history supporting environmental causes and people rather than corporate interests. He DOES NOT LIE DOWN FOR DOLLARS. Winona LaDuke is a Harvard educated journalist living on a Native American reservation and fighting for the rights of the native peoples. LEARN MORE! DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm Leaning Toward Al Gore, But I'm Not Registered To Vote Just... Aug 20th. at 1:52:48 pm EDT

Jean Smythe (St. Cloud, Minnesota US) Age: 21 - Email

I'm leaning toward Al Gore, but I'm not registered to vote just yet (long story). I've read a bunch of things in different areas that list reasons why you should vote one way or another. I'd be the most tempted to vote Green, yet do they really have a chance? I don't know. So, if I had to choose between Gore and Bush.... I think back to the very first thing I heard about Bush, that he went to a very shall-we-say "backwards" college, little to no blacks and gals in skirts?!

I'm also looking at this from mostly one side, the non-pagan side, my bisexual side. I don't know which would be the easier fight, really, trying to the US to be more religion accepting or more sexual accepting. Almost all the groups that I'm involved in college are GLBT related, so it will be a lot easier to find/figure out where the candidates stand in those issues. I guess for me, I'd say that religion is something private, that I don't need (but I do wear my pentacle) to broadcast that I'm a pagan. Yet, I would like to be able to talk about my girlfriend in the same way that I could talk about a boyfriend.

In a GLBT conference I went to, one speaker's theme was "no one gets left behind, " which as she meant was that if we fight for GLBT rights, we fight for all the colors/types of GLBT, not just white gay men. So, maybe looking at Pagan rights, is something I should do more of, in the hopes maybe by having one right another right might be able to 'follow' or be led in.

. . . I can't just look at the pagan side of this though, because I'm not just pagan, yet it's an important part of me that I can't let the Christians/other people try to run or ruin.

I First Thought Democratic As My Parents Always Planted It In My... Aug 20th. at 4:47:31 pm EDT

Siryn Dolphinsong (Albany, Georgia US) Age: 34 - Email

I first thought democratic as my parents always planted it in my mind if I had been around the depression as they were there was a reason not to go republican. Times have certainly changed for me anyhow, and I am far from rich so that theory is out. I have two issues, one I have the right to worship the God and Goddess I believe in and Gore's party has proven the Bible is here to be planted in our families minds with or without our blessing and as Leiberman quoted his only one true God helped him get where he is. Now I'm not ridiculing his beliefs but it goes back to the theory your religion is correct if it's the same I practice. I don't believe Bush will get that involved with religion. I know about his previous quotes concerning the military but I think he'll try and keep his nose clean. The second issue is guns, give up the blame on the gun manufacturers already. If I was to sue the tabacco industry after my Father died of lung cancer I would be just as desperate. My Father knew why he had cancer he read the package and took responsibility for how he lived his life, why should I live on monies from his death, if he couldn't enjoy it why should I, it all comes down to greed. I am a proud pagan but I have no tolerance for excuses, if I even touched my parents guns and they were all over the house I would have had my you know what blistered. Society needs to wake up and be responsible for their actions. Acts like Columbine are tragic but education and fighting crime are the answers and I believe Bush will push for this. I am a proud Pagan and NRA member as well as licensed to carry a concealed weapon go figure. My guns will be the first confiscated because I am a registered owner but criminals go free, did you know out 30 federal gun prosecutions none of them were won, the criminals either went free or had probation. That's what the Clinton/Gore administration did for guns (protected the criminals). There have been many horrendous acts like the Witch trials so let's not be like the neighbors with a grudge let's take responsibilities for our own actions. By the way I am a independent voter, I look for the best candidate not the party they belong to.

I Am Leaning Toward Gore/lieberman...and, Yes, I Feel Involvement In... Aug 20th. at 4:55:27 pm EDT

Rowan (Apple Valley, California US) Age: 49 - Email

I am leaning toward Gore/Lieberman...and, yes, I feel involvement in political things is very important to us as Pagans...we must stand and be counted. There is a quote I like from Franklin Roosevelt..."We must scrupulously guard the civil rights and civil liberties of all citizens, whatever their background. We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any haterd, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization.".If we are not involved, how can we pull together and speak up, and speak out with a clear and wise voice?
I am a registered voter... have been for thirty years. Just because we vote and our candidates may lose, that does not mean we give up!!! It's not always easy, but we, as Pagans, have not had it easy over the centuries, so let's stick together!

Blessed Be,

I Honestly Can't Imagine A Pagan Not Voting For Gore. His Policies... Aug 20th. at 6:48:06 pm EDT

Lamma (Whitefish , Montana US) Age: 32

I honestly can't imagine a Pagan not voting for Gore. His policies to protect and honor our Mother Earth are greatly needed in Wahington. Clean elements should be a right...

Gores Policies On The Environment Are Deeply Scared With A Non-chalant Attitude... Aug 20th. at 9:32:55 pm EDT

Siryn Dolphinsong (Albany, Georgia US) Age: 34 - Email

Gores policies on the environment are deeply scared with a non-chalant attitude, what about what he has not stood up for like the horrible acts he ignored happening in China and Korea against animals, he turned the other cheek when asked what he would do. Look at his wife who is Miss. Censorship herself. We must look at all aspects as Pagans and Witches. As one who loves my religion and is a lifelong Animist I can not go with face value I am looking deeper as I am tired of the deceit. Know matter who you choose do it because you have examined all the facts not just what the media exploits.

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