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Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election

This week's Pagan Perspective question is a redux of one that we asked about at the beginning of August... And we apologize in advance to our non-United States readers that we have again brought up an issue that is rather exclusive to just one country, but feel free to comment on the shenanigans of the American political system as you see it.) Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Have you made up your mind or changed your mind? Will you vote and who-if you don't mind telling the world-are you planning to vote for? Why have you made this particular choice?

 Reponses:   There are 129 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 

I'm Voting For Gore, For Several Reasons. One, I'm Extremely Pleased With... Oct 23rd. at 4:01:00 pm EDT

Letha (Woodland Park, Colorado US) Age: 29 - Email

I'm voting for Gore, for several reasons.

One, I'm extremely pleased with the state of the economy today, and I want more of the same, with as little disruption as possible.

Two, Gore has foreign relations experience. He has a dignity and a grace in difficult situations. Bush certainly does not.

Three, I'm pro-Choice. And I have a daughter.

Four, Bush has the intellect of a speed-bump.

Five, Bush has made it quite apparent that he does not believe that Wicca is a religion and, thus, worthy of protection under the 1st amendment.

And, most vitally--the next president will be responsible for appointing several new Supreme Court Justices. Bush is a strict constructionist. I am not. This is a much bigger deal than most people probably think it is. The Supreme Court decides such fun issues as religious freedom, access to abortion, and discrimination suits. Bush has said he favors more justices like Scalia and Thomas.

That about does it. I think it's coming.

I'm Voting For Ralph Nader. Do I Think Nader Will Win? Are... Oct 23rd. at 4:22:19 pm EDT

NatalieWitch (Corydon, Indiana US) Age: 21 - Email

I'm voting for Ralph Nader.

Do I think Nader will win? Are you kidding? Nader doesn't have a chance in Hel! I realise that.

So why am I "wasting my vote" on Ralph Nader? Isn't a vote for Nader just a vote for Bush in disguise? Maybe. But it really depends on where you live. I happen to live in Indiana. Those of you who keep up with these sorts of things know that Indiana's electorial votes always go to the Republican candidate. So, in Indiana, (and other traditonally Republican states) voting for a Democratic candidate is a wasted vote!

So why bother to vote for Nader anyway? Well, primarily because I would much rather give my precious vote to a party and an individual that supports the issues I care about, such as Women's rights, (which, although the Democrats don't seem to realise it lately, are more than just the abortion issue!) and the enviroment, (I personally would rather cast my vote for a party founded on enviromentalist beliefs than vote for Gore, whose best interests seem not to be those from his feel-good earthy book, but in his protecting OPEC stock!).

I also have great respect for the two Green party candidates. For those of you who don't know who Ralph Nader is, he is most well known as the consumer advocate who in 1965 literally saved thousands of lives by fighting General Motors' unsafe standerds for automoblies. His actions launched the modern consumer movement. Nader's running mate is Winona Laduke who serves as the board co-chair for the Indigenous Women's Network and works as the Director of the Honor the Earth Fund. (Take that, Tipper.)

And if all of that wasn't enough to make me want to vote Green in next month's election, then this is. Should the Green party recieve only 5% of the nation's vote, they will recieve equal government funds and debate privileges in 2004. With only 5% of the public's vote, we can destroy the bipartisan "Republicrat" circus that has been destroying the public's voice for years. A vote for Ralph Nader could be a vote for a better future.

Interested? Check out for more good reasons to vote Green.

Bush Is So Bad In So Many Ways I'm Stunned That So... Oct 23rd. at 4:56:30 pm EDT

Andraste (New York, New York US) Age: 35

Bush is so bad in so many ways I'm stunned that so many people out there say they will vote for him. There is nothing, absolutely nothing about him that I like. On top of being an anti-choice, hypocritical, narrow mined, religious bigot with the IQ of a hamster he makes my skin crawl.

Asking Gore or Bush is like a highwayman asking "your money or your life?". Duh! I'd rather keep both but only a nutter would say "ok, take my life"!

Torn Between Nadar And Gore; I Would Love To Vote My Conscience... Oct 23rd. at 6:58:15 pm EDT

Lynne-Renee Reed (St. Louis area, Missouri US) Age: 28 - Email

Torn between Nadar and Gore; I would love to vote my conscience but I'm literally knotted with fear at the thought of Buxh taking office.

Let's be honest, HE isn't going to do any harm if elected. He's a figurehead and can likely as not do a good job of delivering personal appearances. It's his party platform that makes my hair stand on end. Let's not mention his cronies.

Mr. Gore is certainly an academic (which I respect) and has in the past been my main reason (twice) for voting for Clinton with high hopes. If elected, I hope he actually delivers some of the things he's held me with over the past 8 years. Want details? Think democratic-socialist. I've lived in Europe, thank you.

Nadar seems the best bet for all-around guy wanting to REALLY do something. I will vote for him if it looks hopeless for Mr. Gore. This is so we can have a greater choice of freedom in the future (think multi-party system).

Know what's really, really important? GET OFF YOUR TUSHIES AND VOTE!

Hi, All!; I Gave Up On The American Political System In 64... Oct 23rd. at 7:32:43 pm EDT

Tarostar (Toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 58 - Email

Hi, All!;

I gave up on the American political system in 64, when I filed an absentee ballot from service in the Military to the home state in Nevada.

I registered Republican and voted Democrat.

The Nevada Registrar of Voters contacted me and said my vote had been disallowed, as the community wards go by registration to candidates.

I did not trust Goldwater, but was not allowed to vote for Johnson.

When an opportunity came up to move to Canada, I did.

BB Tarostar

My Following Letter, Sent To The George W. Bush Campaign, Should At... Oct 23rd. at 8:34:47 pm EDT

Brandon Watkins (Lansing, Michigan US) Age: 28 - Email

My following letter, sent to the George W. Bush campaign, should at least tell you who I am NOT voting for:

I quote Mr. Bush from the website:
"Religious Freedom And Tolerance Is A Protected Right
I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity. Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it. "

It is obvious that you do NOT support the First Amendment rights of free religion and by immediate extension are a completely inappropriate choice for the position of guarding and executing national laws, per the Constitution of the United States. I also wish to add that you are clearly uneducated about Wicca, the Pagan religions, as well as your own religion, Christianity. Witchcraft" in the sense that it is used by those of the Wiccan faith is analogous to "prayer" in your religion. You have apparently been watching too many B-rate horror movies. Wicca is a strongly positive faith and in NO WAY associates with negative or destructive attitudes or activities. At the core of
the religion holds the statement "Harm None." That includes physical harm, emotional harm, and even the violation of another's free will. I have never known a Wiccan who did not fully and thoroughly support this core concept. Can Christians make such claim? Please educate yourself about the religion from an objective viewpoint (rather than being a puppet of the right-wing of your party) before making preposterous and insulting claims and statements. There are more practicing Wiccans in this nation than Buddhists, Taoists, and many other legally recognized religions. I point you to the following location for an objective view on Wicca. The site also contains much objective information on Christianity, Islam, and many other religions.

Thank you,
Brandon S. Watkins

While I don't feel Gore is a perfect choice, there is no "perfect" choice. However, his support for environmental safeguards and low-pollution energy alternatives, as well as his stated support for freedom of religion, leads me to support him heavily over George W. Bush. Even if Gore didn't support environmental causes so strongly, I would vote for him simply to try to keep the party-puppet Fascist, Bush, out of office.

I Would Want Ralph Nader, He's A Green Back. But Also, I... Oct 23rd. at 8:35:54 pm EDT

LunarBard (Wausau, Wisconsin US) Age: 16

I would want Ralph Nader, he's a green back. But also, I don't want Bush, so if there isn't any great lead then its Gore. The lesser of two evils you know.
Thats IF i could vote :-(

A Vote For Gore Is A Vote Against Bush. Having Just Been... Oct 23rd. at 9:03:54 pm EDT

Mary Wilson (Cartersville, Georgia US) Age: 35 - Email

a vote for Gore is a vote against Bush. Having just been to the Red, White, and Blue 2000 website and read their responses to the religious freedom question, I was again reminded what it is about Bush that really bothers me. While I consider myself a fiscal conservative, I am a firm believer in the constitution and intelligent leadership, both of which Bush appears to threaten. I fear if he comes to power, this country will come to war from the very lack of the intelligent, patient leadership which has lead this country for the last 8 years (albeit he may have been a bit unintelligent in his personal life).

I Would Jus Like To Say That I Am Soooooo Glad That... Oct 23rd. at 10:21:53 pm EDT

Rayven (Windsor, Ontario CA) Age: 15 - Email

I would jus like to say that I am SOOOOOO glad that I live in Canada instead of America because this election it seems that you have to pick bwtween the person who you dislike the least. But if I was an American and was of age I would probaly pick Gore over Bush because of Bush's views on the enviroment and his narrow-minded views on WitchCraft as a religion.
Good luck you guys!

I'm Terribly Split. I Like The Libertarian Platform Very Much, But I... Oct 23rd. at 11:50:09 pm EDT

Brigit (Bozeman, Montana US) Age: 30

I'm terribly split. I like the Libertarian platform very much, but I just hate to do anything which might help the shrub. Even though Montana is a "non-state" with regards to it's importance to the final decision, I am thinking of voting defensively for Gore, in the hopes that at least he'll be a *little* better than W. As for local candidates, I'll be primarily for democrats, unless there is a third-party candidate of potential.

Mm All:) To Be Honest, I Had Almost All But Made Up... Oct 24th. at 12:26:26 am EDT

Tarah Johnson (St. Paul, Minnesota US) Age: 25 - Email

MM All:)

To be honest, I had almost all but made up my mind towards Gore, until I went to a Peace Concert in my town. I got some flyers about Nader and the Green Party in general. Bluntly, I was hooked! It said "Vote your conscience" among other things, and how important waking up the general public to the 3rd parties is to improving politics as a whole.

Although I am terrified of someone as moronic, anti choice, and bigoted as Bush winning, I do know with some certainty that if all the things he said were actually impletmented, he wouldn't have a chance in hell of being re-elected, which might not be much of a comfort, but I must vote with my conscience, right or wrong.

Also, I was listening to Jesse Ventura's speech at the Mall of America aboutthe 3rd parties as well.

I Must Say That It Does Look Like There Is Not Much... Oct 24th. at 3:59:32 am EDT

Michael (Dublin, European Union, Ireland) Age: 23 - Email

I must say that it does look like there is not much choice for our american friends, the result of a two party system is that you only have two candidates with a chance.
Europe does not have this problem for two reasons:
1) about half of our nations have Kings or Queens, (no decision involved there)
2) the other half have presidents which only fulfill the role of a figure-head, a sort of a rubber stamp as it were, with no decision making power.

The big decision makers in our systems are the Prime ministers and Chancellors, but even still we tend not to have the "one man" image in government, we have more emphasis on parties.

Another difference is that coalitions are more common, so rarely can any party win an election without compromising with another party.

My conclusion? I prefer the Parliamentarian system, it's what I'm used to and what I trust the most.

Happy Samhain all!!!

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