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The Ethics of Magick and Spellwork

Wiccans have the Rede and many other Pagans have similar ethical codes of conduct. But it isn't always easy to determine what the 'good of all' may be or even if it is a viable rule for each and every unique situation. How do YOU handle requests for spells? What about love magick, psychic weapons at high noon and the general use of magick and spells in your own spiritual life? How far would YOU go?

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Hmmm... This One Is Hard. I Have Never Been Openly Asked To... Sep 20th. at 6:27:47 pm EDT

Kaicielia BlueDragon (Madison, Wisconsin US) Age: 24 - Email

Hmmm... This one is hard.
I have never been openly asked to do a spell for someone, or to teach someone how to do a spell. I have discussed how to do certain spells with a friend, but it was more to undo a mistake she had done years before.
There are definately lines that should not be crossed, but outlining them is difficult. They are different for different paths. Some of the ones I follow are, first and foremost, do not cause deliberate harm. Harm is sometimes mistakenly caused, or an unknown consequence of action, and at these times the harm should be minimized and dealt with as soon as possible. Second, One should not cast a spell on someone without that person's permission. In cases where prayer/spell requests are gotten, I would assume that the person involved is accepting any form of help offered.
As far as personal gain spells, such as money, love, luck, or others, I very seldom ever cast such spells, but they are not within the realm of "don't". I have, at one time, been so desperate for money that I did cast such a spell, and did it in very strict, straight foreward words. There are many fairy tales where someone wishes to become rich, and suffers terrible consequences. A loved one dies and leaves them money, or there's always the golden touch. However, these often being petty, unnecessary requests, I believe it would be a negative show on a person's Karma. Greed is never good.
But, as I have said, there are different ways of viewing the world. This is by no means a "Ten Commandments" type of thing, although I do believe the first two I mentioned are shared by the pagan community as a whole.

Requests For Spells Are Usually (in My Experience) From People Who Do... Sep 20th. at 10:12:13 pm EDT

RiverGypsy (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 22 - Email

Requests for spells are usually (in my experience) from people who do not like to deal with their problems. They think that it will be a "quick fix, " a painless and effortless solution. I learned that magick is no such thing, and will not hesitate to tell the querant. As with everything, this is not always the case, but my two cents. Blessed Be!

And Do What Though Wilt As Ye Harm None?" I Had Firm... Sep 21st. at 1:45:34 pm EDT

Little Witch (San diego, California US) Age: 22

"And do what though wilt as ye harm none?" I had firm belifes in that for a longggg time. And with some of it i still do. I look at a situation and say.."How will this benifit me? and who will it hurt." Sometimes the situation is so dire that the good of myself is underlaid with the need of another person. So in the end I will reep the karma back lash.

request for spells..haha. I get them all the time, ones for love, for protection, for health. Even for vodo dolls. And i laugh. I have done protection spells for others at no expense to them. love er no. I have told them how to do them if they really want them done, but I'm not eating their three fold.

Psychic weapons, I consider it cheating. I had a young ignorant girl on my last ship that had gifts and used them on innocents. I went head to head with her one day in the P-way. I pulled a shield of protection around me. She and I glared at eachother as we passed. I could "feel" her pinging me. So I pinged her back. Needless to say as we went on are ways. I looked back to see she had tripped and fell.

I'm constantly using my skills to protect my self and my loved ones. It's a harsh world. The Gods gave us gifts t use, we she use them in moderation.

Being A Solitary Wiccan,few Know Of My Belief,abilities Or Power... Sep 21st. at 1:54:48 pm EDT

Bird man (Panama City Beach, Florida US) Age: 40 - Email

Being a solitary wiccan, few know of my belief, abilities or power to do spells. As far as Magick is concerned, I feel there is a certain Magick in everything around me. It has been my experience that people in true need of some certain Magick(usually some sort of healing) will cross my path without having to "ask". I would never do any thing for Love for anyone, LOVE is pure and not manufactured. I do believe in the law of three's, so to help is as good for you as for them. Psychic weapons, now this is a tough subject. If to protect yourself is considered a weapon, then yes, this is ok. There is, sadly to say energy vampires out there, pardon the expression. To do work for your own spiritual life is great, just be very sure you know what your asking or doing .

Well, Number One, I Rarely Practise True Magick. Usually It's When All... Sep 21st. at 2:28:02 pm EDT

MachaCrow (Charles Town, West Virginia US) Age: 31 - Email

Well, number one, I rarely practise true magick. Usually it's when all mundane methods have been exhausted or in concert with non-magickal work. Yes, good old fashioned work.

Need money? I get a second job. I may place a small charm on my resume so that it will get noticed. I may make for myself a reminder to save money (I love money boxes - though mine is a money jar..)

If my health is suffering, well, along with calling the doc, trying to get more sleep and eating better, I may magickally adjust my chakras.

Magick is as natural as breathing. We do it every day, whether we cast a circle or tossed salt over our shoulder. It's a matter of intent and purpose.

I have had requests for spells, usually, I give ideas or sources on what they can do. I don't give out spells, you gotta write it and do it yourself. I personally believe magick works on the practitioner's intent. And you are a lot more intense if you are the one with the bill due! I have done love charms, however, these are for finding self-love, healing and comfort in your own company. I would rather the person becomes whole and happy, then love will find them. I joke, if you can't love yourself, who can you love. But it's true. When there is a loved one sick or hurting, I will send prayers and magickal energy to carry them through a difficult time. I don't neccessarily pray for a total healing - sometimes it may not be in the best interest of the patient. So I pray for relief from pain and let the universe work it out. I can and have done magick for negative results for cancer and other medical tests, for something benign.

As for spells at 10 paces - well, I have to comment how immature of the individuals involved. Protection is passive and preventive. I have no problem with casting a Repel all Salesmen spell on my front door. However, flinging curses at another human being I find a sad way to handle a situation. If it is so bad, or you are physically in danger there are ways to prevent damage and keep yourself safe, and there's the regular ole policeman if it gets to that point. I don't really like mirror spells either, I would prefer a way to ground or convert (reverse polarity) any attack. I agree with the post on martial arts - when you learn, you must accept responsiblity.

Though I have to admit, I am human and there are times in traffic where the urge to cast a Karmic-Backlash spell have crossed my mind (I hope Karma catches up with the b**** that just cut me off). It's a Grey area for me.

Perhaps one day I will be wise....

I Don't Do Anything That Would Effect Others In Any Way. I'm... Sep 21st. at 3:08:33 pm EDT

Mike Johnson (Canton, Ohio US) Age: 17 - Email

I don't do anything that would effect others in any way. I'm an idealist, and most people I have come incontact with disappoint me, so I just don't pay attention to them. I only try to reason out my feelings and thoughts, and why I have them... I'm so very against blind faith that if I would do something that woulde ffect others, it would deffinatly not be for the good of all.

As A Solitary, I Don't Get Much In The Way Of Requests... Sep 21st. at 11:34:22 pm EDT

wytchling (taipei, Taiwan) Age: 21 - Email

as a solitary, i don't get much in the way of requests for spells. to date, my number of requests stands at zero, and i'm glad of this (i'm out to my family and friends, but none have an interest in magick). love magick for anyone else, especially to "get" a certain someone, is totally out!! ditto psychic weaopns!! generally, i use magick within my spiritual life to honour the goddess and god, and to give my dreams and goals inspiration. if i'm going to do a spell for anyone, it would be well-wishing, basically, like sending good vibes when they need it. that's all. :)

Blessings. As To Request For Spells..i Am Pretty Cautious Unless I... Sep 22nd. at 1:28:39 am EDT

feywytch (hubbard, Ohio US) Age: 38 - Email


As to request for spells..I am pretty cautious unless I know the person well, I always talk to the person to see if they have tried to work this out on own and how much they know about spel work. Generally I will help anyone who is willing to help themselves. And as long as it is positive.

I do not like to think about loaded wands at fifty paces....but realistically with in my own experience i have had to personally use defense magicks. For the good of my family. But for someone unknown...same as above..try and scry or discern the validity of the situation. It is so easy to be swayed by a sad tale...and to easy to overlook there may be a totally overlooked other side to it. And it is never easy to get clear the facts when not a situation that directly invovles you.

Now as for things like stopping a stalker or such....I do not look at that as against will...I look at it as common decency. We are the caretakers of this earth...that includes all lives and protecting all lifes from harm.

I really do try to keep in mind our ethicsa nd the eternal balances within when dealing with requests though. Too many think spellwork a quick fix and are usually treating the symptom not the problem.

I hope this helps.. Fey

The Ablilty To Determine What Is Truely Apropriate In Any Given Situation... Sep 22nd. at 3:16:40 am EDT

Erynne Brooke Stormrose (Little Rock, Arkansas US) Age: 22 - Email

The ablilty to determine what is truely apropriate in any given situation is a great gift of the gods, one which is known by the name Maturity. As one grows in their spiritual path, they begin to run more on what intuition says than what is written in some book. As a witch and a family taught shaman, Magic is a part of my life every day. When I wake up, I light my candle, I say my morning prayers to mother earth and father sun. Through out the day, I am mindful to keep myself centered and in times of quiet having an inner dialouge with my gods.
I have gotten several requests for spells. If the person coming to me is a wiccan/pagan, often their requests are less of "Give me a spell to make something hapen" and more of "what herb/stone/colors work best for a spell dealing with this." In the latter case it is easy to refer someone to a book or a website. When I DO get requests, I often pass along a few pages on how to construct spells that were given to me when I was a newbie. When the inevitable non pagan asks for spells, or for me to do spell work, I often point them to a good book, usually something easy to understand, Wicca : A guide for the solitary practitioner or Wicca for Men are good ones. On rare occasion that someone asks me to perform a spell, I look at the situation. A person wanting me to help them rid their home of negative energy? Yes, but I also teach the person to do it himself. Healing for THAT person? Yes. Anything that involves control or love or anything that I know is immorral or illegal? Heck no! I believe in teaching people to help themselves.
As far as psychic warfare, I have had to engage in that twice, once on behalf of a friend who had been so drained that I stepped in at her request to help shield her so she could get her strength back. We then together worked to bind these people from harmning US. The other incident I was involved in was a rather brutal witch war. I was a newbie then and made some mistakes I regret. But you live and learn.
How far would I go? I would go as far as reason and knowledge allows

I've, Over The Years (too Many Of 'em) Fielded Some Requests For... Sep 22nd. at 1:25:38 pm EDT

Harry Strunk (Gainesville, Florida US) Age: 66 - Email

I've, over the years (too many of 'em) fielded some requests for Magickal help. I would not do or suggest a spell for "wrath and vengeance", of course; I also consider the so-called "love spell" as being really black magick in disguise -- the spell is trying to over-ride someone's freedom of choice. A spell to make the target more attractive is not so objectionable. Healing, support and growth -- OK. I might remark in passing that the only "magickal" act permitted by Christians, Jews or Moslems is prayer (a prayer is, after all, utilizing a Power not recognized by conventional science to affect "change in accordance with will", and therefore magic by definition); prayers to "convert" the heathen (us!) is, in my opinion, not only magick, but black magic at that.

I Generally Don't Respond To Requests For Spells At All - You May... Sep 22nd. at 2:11:55 pm EDT

Garidd (Aylesbury) Age: 26 - Email

I generally don't respond to requests for spells at all - you may not know the full story behind what the spell is about or the person who is requesting it. Responding to requests like this, in my opinion, is a very dangerous occupation.

Back to the question, I use my own intuition for what is "right" or "wrong" when working magic for people, but as I only do magic when I offer to do it for other people, then my own intuition is enough for me.

I'm A Solitary And Most People Know That So I Don't Get... Sep 22nd. at 8:04:32 pm EDT

Jeanette (Oceanside, California US) Age: 46 - Email

I'm a solitary and most people know that so I don't get any requests for spells.
Even if I did I would not act as you don't always get all the particulars of
a situation that you need to make an informed decision. I and I alone make the choice of when and what kind of spells I use. I do not hesitate to protect my loved ones from harm, no matter what kind of spells that would take.In matters of life and death, I am willing and have cast very powerful spells to protect others, and am quite willing to take the consequences, as long as no one but myself suffers.

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