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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Didn't Hear The News Until Late In The Afternoon, And I... Sep 12th. at 11:25:25 am EDT

Jools (Rhyl, England UK) Age: 34 - Email

I didn't hear the news until late in the afternoon, and I sat and watched in horror as the second tower came down. I saw that image again and again in news reports all evening, and I saw the footage of the twisted metal and mound of rubble this morning - but I still can't believe what I saw. The blatant disregard for life is what horrifies me the most - that and the thought that there are still people under all of that, calling on mobile phones for rescue. I know that there are probably British citizens among the dead or injured, and while my heart goes out to the loved ones of those people, my heart also goes out to the American people as a whole - for the loss, the terror and the fear that's been inflicted on you all. Walk in love and light, my not-so-distant brothers and sisters

After School, Yesterday, The Day Of The Horrible Attacks, There Was A... Sep 12th. at 11:26:29 am EDT

Aelfen Pandora (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 16 - Email

After school, yesterday, the day of the horrible attacks, there was a poetry club meeting and I managed to make it. Around noon, I wrote this poem that is the whole truth of how I experienced it:

The Day the Sky Silently Screamed

The news came from the ground,
Gasps and dry tears we found.
The land of the free now has a black eye,
Never again to clearly see the SKY.
Lady Liberty has been raped,
I could never again say or write that date.
For we shall always know it as Pearl Harbor Two.
To all those who have died, adieu!
My first thought when I heard the bustle
Was, "John Lennon, Save us!"
After more corruption and new fears,
I stared at the SKY with fretful tears.
The SKY radiated nothingness,
Just clear depression and nothing less.
I perked my ears to hear what I feared most, a plane.
All I heard was the quiet SKY driving me insane.
Of course I knew the danger could be close,
On that day I buried some and gave birth to new hopes.

Pagans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, And Athiests Alike In Rhode Island Are Joining... Sep 12th. at 11:31:41 am EDT

Aradia (Newport, Rhode Island US) Age: 21

Pagans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Athiests alike in Rhode Island are joining in their support of the victims and survivors of these terrible tragedies. Bloodbanks are overwhelmed with people willing to donate blood, the Naval Base in Newport sent over 2 large ships to act as shelters for the wounded. The families of those Rhode Islanders who died on the flights hujacked from Logan Airport in stunned and in mourning today. I would like to post the link to the list of confirmed casualties of the airliners to this message for those who may not have seen it yet.

This is a terrible ordeal that our country is facing, and it is my hope that we can face it and support the efforts to right this wrong as solidly and fervently as possible as a civilian community. We know the military is doing their part, but also the civilians, no matter what their religion may be need to help those in need in whatever way possible.

As posted earlier, there is a gathering in Providence, RI this evening. Please see the post from 9/12/01 by Tempest.

Healing and Supportive Blessings to All this day,

House of Annwyn
Providence/Newport, Rhode Island.

How Many People Have To Die From Hatred, Bigorty, And Violence? For... Sep 12th. at 11:32:30 am EDT

SparrowHawk (Washington State, Washington US) Age: 22 - Email

How many people have to die from hatred, bigorty, and violence? For even one life to lose is one too many. Who if such an evil heart could do this to humanity at large, to cause so much destruction and pain? It is beyond me to even begin to comprehend such atrocious things could be committed and thought out at all. It goes to show that hatred is a poison; but love and unity are stronger.

We must make sure we keep our wits about us, as hard as it may be with all this chaos which permeates from the and light is far stronger than any evil force, or malicious intent; our hearts are our swords and shields as we stand together.

It is imperitive that we donnot perpetuate the cycle ot hate and persecution to those many people who are innocent, for on all sides of the lines many are innocent that suffer from blind hate and vice to commit the same crimes to others perpetrated upon us. For then the cycle would once again conquer us should we bend to the will of hatred. It is the crimes of the few that the innocent lives may suffer for, and this only creates more chaos and pain in a ripple effect.

I will be lighting a candle tonight for all those affected directly by the plane bombings to the Trade Centers, and those who feel almost overwhelming sorrow and shock that have been. Let us all stand together hand in hand with our hearts as shields with fingers of healings, charity, kindness, love and light. My prayers, thoughts, regards, and feelings for such ways shall be for everyone.

Brightest of Blessings In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust,


I Think That We All Should Be As Sympathetic As Possible To... Sep 12th. at 11:37:46 am EDT

Mercury Twillight (Washington D.C.) Age: 13 - Email

I think that we all should be as sympathetic as possible to with family members in those buildings.
As soon as the U.S. knows who has done this, should magick be used in the purpose of stoping , or harming these teerorist?

This Is A Response To Evan T.,i Completely Understand You Bloodthirst... Sep 12th. at 11:39:52 am EDT

Shel (Colorado Springs, Colorado US) Age: 30 - Email

This is a response to Evan T.,

I completely understand you bloodthirst, I share it. I have been fighting with myself though because once we stop who does this (and I still cannot discount the wag the dog theory....) there will be another, more sick and twisted, more violent and exacting in his terrorizing. So I cannot give in to the rage, I only hope you can see how pointless it would be to give in to it too. I pray to the Goddess that this was a positive, necessary evil which has repurcussions of a good nature. If I don't pray for that, I will be lost to' the dark side'.

Please focus on the healing and rebuilding, send your energy into that, don't feed the hideous beast of fear that disguises itself in anger.


This Does Not Seem Real, It Took A While Before The Full... Sep 12th. at 11:42:41 am EDT

Anfa (Ridgeland, Mississippi US) Age: 22 - Email

This does not seem real, it took a while before the full magnitude of these events slapped me in the face, it took the desperate pleas of a survivor of the WTC calling out to his wife who was also involved to bring the tears to my eyes as he was unsure if she had even survived.

I have been raised pagan, i know no other path but at this moment it all seems to fade away because all I can think of is "blood for blood, " my very spirit calls out that there be justice. I'm not asking for an indiscriminate "witch-hunt" (pardon the use of that particular word) but the calculated, methodical investigation of the events and the punishment of those behind it.
But we have to realize that to blame an entire religion (Islam) or race of people is absurd. Our allies in Turkey are Islamic and condemn this atrocity as the barbaric act it was. And how many American citizens also follow this faith and had nothing to do with it. We must be exacting in our retribution lest we harm innocents as they have done.

In the end this situation has brought out a patriotism I forgot existed and why is it that the most hateful acts trigger the random kindness of our fellow man (ie the blood donations, food and water donations, and other random acts of charity).

I ask that the Goddess embrace all those harmed (directly or indirectly) by these events.
I pray that The Morrigan watch and protect all our fellow citizens in the Armed Forces.
And lastly I beg the Goddess to take my anger from me, so that i may know peace and forgiveness in my heart.

Blessed Be.

When Something So Tragic And Of Such Epic Proportion Occurs, It Is... Sep 12th. at 11:44:44 am EDT

Brenda Starks (Portsmouth , Virginia US) Age: 34

When something so tragic and of such epic proportion occurs, it is difficult to comprehend all at once. I know that I went through "stages" yesterday. The first stage is the sheer shock and horror and then grief and mourning for all of the lives lost. I thought of children who no longer have parents, parents who no longer have children and people who have lost friends and neighbors. Every time I stepped outside of my office, I thought "all of those people got up this morning - and it was a beautiful morning - they all dressed, got children off to school and went to work just like they would any other day". I thought often of my own children throughout the day. As the day wore on, I began to comprehend the "bigger" picture. The panic of a nation, the possibility of more death and even war. I was proud. Proud to be an american. I drew strength and resolve from those people who reported back to work at the Pentagon site today...coworkers are gone, the building is in pieces, yet americans are reporting to work at the Pentagon as a symbol of the resolve, determination, courage and spirit of all american people. Just my presence in this website indicates my beliefs are aligned with others here, but do I really spend the enough time being thankful for the simple things in my life? I am an avid "moon watcher" but I cannot remember the last time I watched the sun rise. For the first time in a long time, I went into my childrens' bedrooms last night and watched them sleep. I had taken for granted how precious and beautiful they are and how blessed I am to be their mom.
I encourage everyone to give blood, pray for the families who lost loved ones and be more thankful than ever for our country and the freedom living in America affords. I am confident that this tragedy will only demonstrate to the rest of the world the resolve, strength and unity of Americans. Where else in the world is such a culturally diverse nation able to pull together the way America does in a time of crisis. Thank you for reading and bless you.

In My Humble Opinion, Yesterday's Terrorist Attacks Were Bound To Happen. America... Sep 12th. at 11:45:49 am EDT

Dandelion Herzog (Moses Lake, Washington US) Age: 22 - Email

In my humble opinion, yesterday's terrorist attacks were bound to happen. America isn't nearly as strong as it used to, as a result of greedy, weak politicians and public opinion. Whether or not it was a terrorist group attacking on its own, or an actual country attacking: this is what we need to discover. Either way, our enemy already has more soldiers in the U.S. We cannot let down our safety measures: opening the airports and other public mass transportation offices is a big mistake. There will be more attacks from within.

I am all for giving peace a better chance: once we discover who has committed this outrage, we must strike! Terrorism has no place in a peaceful world. If it takes violence, let it be well thought out and carried out in the most succesful way possible. Whatever country defends our enemies must fall... Capture these countries, give them over to the U.N., and strengthen their economies to ensure that this will never happen again.

My thoughts go out to the grieving families, my energy to the rescue workers, and my most political ideals go out to Bush and Powell ;)

I Felt So Helpless And Horrified As I Watched The Buildings Collapse... Sep 12th. at 11:54:58 am EDT

Merry Arianrhood (West Haven, Connecticut US) Age: 40 - Email

I felt so helpless and horrified as I watched the buildings collapse on TV. I thought about the loss of human life and prayed to the Goddess that as many as possible would be saved and that those who died would not suffer. I sent Light and love out to the families of, and all those involved in the carnage; the passengers on the planes (how horrible to be used as a weapon to kill more innocents), the people in the towers, the people on the ground, the rescue workers who rushed in to do their jobs and were caught in the collapse, the military personnel and federal workers in the Pentagon, and all of the others who were caught in the collateral damage. The outrage and anger that arose as I watched the Palestinians celebrate the deaths and injuries of thousands nearly choked me. It was difficult to remember that I'm on an EVOLVED path and that the Goddess has reasons for everything. Today I feel exhausted, mentally and physically, and even though I live about 75 miles away from the tragedy, you can still feel the ripples of energy from ground zero. Many of my friends could not sleep the night before this happened (myself included) and had feelings of forboding or just a sense of not feeling 'safe'. We realize now why, but what on earth could we have DONE? And that's the cry from all of our hearts and souls. Now we will all pull together and do whatever we are each capable of to help, be it to donate blood or collect clothing and foodstuffs, or simply to pray and do magickal workings to help all those involved. I feel like a huge purging of energy has taken place however, and something has shifted in the psyche of the world that was meant to be shifted, although Goddess help us that it had to be so very traumatic. My anger of yesterday, although still there, has lessened somewhat from the "bomb'em to hell" mentality, and I'm even able to understand how one can lose one's perspective when brainwashed from childhood to believe that America is 'The Great Satan', filled with people who've been portrayed as evil and stupid, by trusted leaders (religious and otherwise). I hope that people will not use this as an excuse to persecute those of Middle Eastern descent or those who practice Islam. My prayers go out to these people as well and I ask the Goddess to fill peoples' hearts with discernment and wisdom, as well as strength, that they may know that the real enemy here is hatred and ignorance.

11pm Eastern Time Thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/honoringi Live In Buffalo... Sep 12th. at 12:01:12 pm EDT

Stephanie (Buffalo, New York US) Age: 26 - Email

11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/Honoring
I live in Buffalo, NY, where we are all afraid of what is to come. We are coordinating a national effort to cast a giant circle around the country at 11pm eastern time tomorrow (Thursday). Please pass this message onto as many people as possible. We're invoking the elements and the directions of the whole country, not just our local area, honoring the dead, asking for the Goddess's protection. Please email me if you have questions or just want to add something. 11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle cast!

Greetings All I Am At A Loss For Words, Sue (my Mate... Sep 12th. at 12:05:00 pm EDT

Rev Larry Harney (Brooklyn, New York US) Age: 49 - Email

Greetings ALL

I am at a loss for words, Sue (my Mate) and I are home safe, and our family in NYC are safe. It was a long walk home from were we work, but here are some of my thoughts as we walk. For those that don't know Sue and I work for the City of NY as computer consultants. Anyway we were told to go home and started our long walk. Most of it is a blur, but little things stand out. Like the Police Sgt. who took time to help an elderly woman get on a crowded city bus and made sure it was the bus she needed to be on. Like the woman handing out cups of water on 14th street. Like the group of men and women passing out cups of water and cool towels to those who just crossed the bridge on foot. To these people I say "Thank you! Little Things do mean a LOT!!" The one thing that does stand out is our walk across the Williamsburg Bridge. The thousand that crossed with us did not turn around. Eyes were focus forward no one look behind them, it was unreal to see where two buildings once stood, all you could see was the cloud of smoke.

Rev Larry Harney AZ ThA RA MoonSilvered Circles

Today in NYC Rev Susan Davis MoonSilvered Circles

There is a silent sorrow, a numbness that cannot be described. A combination of sensory overload from the 1000's of sirens racing by again and again and the silence of emptied streets where you whisper softly and watch every face.

Hoards of people pass you by, each seeking a way to escape, each person carrying a seed of fear and suspicion that flowers into paranoia growing deeper with each step...until a tiny miracle renews your inner balance. Someone thrusts a damp paper towel into one hand and a small cup of water into the other and urges you to drink and your eyes focus on the world again...

Our eyes meet, so helpless to do anything to really comfort this sorrow, both sets of eyes well with tears and we turn away...but not before a murmured bless you for you gift of which she whispers "How could I do any less?" before handing the next passerby a cup of hope and faith. She wore a star of David, I a pentagram, her helper a crucifix...none of that mattered one bit. Religions and cultures fall to the wayside in a time of crisis, replaced by the knowledge that we are all joined in this moment of horror and pain.

So many lives were lost toady...thousands have perished...millions will never be the same...and all for the ideological beliefs of madmen on the other side of the world who believe that this act of cowardice is a victory for their own small goals. How much more blood will pour from their own people because of this many more innocents will be sacrificed? While a part of me fiercely craves someone to blame and punish...another part of me hopes just as strongly that we never know. If we don't have a target to blame we will not multiply this horror by retaliating against still more innocent lives. If I had those before me who masterminded this attack or helped to carry it out...those I would kill without hesitation...but I cannot face the horror of more mothers and babies, grandparents and toddlers being mowed down as a payback.

I cannot comprehend the morally and spiritually deficit personas that demand "My God, not yours" or "This is MY land, not yours." I cannot quite wrap my brain around the kind of mind that justifies the murder of the innocent for the sake of ANY cause, no matter how worthy. I cannot understand the hearts so full of despite and hatred that they are willing to ill you, me, their own family and friends for the sake of some ideal...or a religion whose teaching encourages this and claims that those who act this way will be given a reward by God.

We are all the creations of can any God demand that some of His/Her creations destroy others of His/Her creation in order to obtain God's favor? I cannot grasp the stupidity and spiritual shallowness that can adopt this belief system...I just cannot. I am too sorrow-ridden and weary to even try. And even on the long slow walk home from the scene of so much horror there were those seeking to incite more violence...cursing one group or another...blaming this one and that one...spewing their hatred and glorying in it.

And the sky was so blue, the breeze so cool today...full of the sounds of birdsong in the empty streets where hundreds of thousands walked on...not knowing how they would get home. We walked to the stridence of the constant scream of sirens and the whispers of terror and shock...slowly making our way home...past the scene of the disaster and out over the of the mass of people slowly making their way on foot toward safety, solace and security.

Perhaps tomorrow I will cry................

MoonSilvered Mom

Please take a moment now and lite a candle so that the way will have light for all those that have found themselves on the other side of the vail.

Thanks AZ ThA RA and TXsueMOM

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Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.