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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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Http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/icewalker/atributetothevictimsandfamily.htmlwww.yahoogroups.com Please Ya'll, Take The Time Today... Sep 12th. at 1:11:04 pm UTC

Steve Bradbury (Gainesville , Florida US) Age: 45


http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/IceWalker/ATributetotheVictimsandFamily.h tmlwww.yahoogroups.com Please ya'll, take the time today to copy paste this URL into your browser-and visit this site. This was sent to me by a friend in NYC, and as one who has a family member not yet accounted for at the WTC- I am not ashamed to say that when I saw this tribute I had tears running down my face.

Also, tomorrow, Thursday at 10:30 PM there is a nationwide candle lighting for Unity, I will copy /paste the letter I recieved-please take the time out of your busy schedules to join in this!!! Light a Candle for Unity!

Thanks , and Blessings to everyone touched by this senseless act of terrorism. Steve @ BLack Hawk Creations

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

--LIGHT A CANDLE FOR UNITY-- Though terrorists may have struck out at us as Americans, let us come together and show our unity.Let us show that though our arm may have been hurt, they cannot dim the heart of America, or us as a people which even now ...Still burns Brightly!!

On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 10:30 PM EST, walk out your door and light a candle or lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. Gather with loved ones or gather with neighbors but let our light burn in the night to show that we are united and that we remain strong.

Please pass this on to anyone you know..print it up and pass it to neighbors who may not have Internet access, post it to message boards, clubs, news stations, anywhere and everywhere there is a PROUD American!

Blessings,
ShadoeRose


The World Cryed Out In Pain. Here In Florida, Geographically Far From... Sep 12th. at 1:11:32 pm UTC

Scott (sebastian, Florida US) Age: 19 - Email


The world cryed out in pain. Here in Florida, geographically far from the tragedy, I still feel the fear, anger, and sadness that is radiating from the northern states right now. I cryed when I saw the plane hit. I cryed when I saw the towers fall. I cry even now as I write this. The Earth cries as well, for it feels the pain of these devistaing attacks. The Earth feels the misery that is eminating from New York and Washington D.C.. I just want to give my heart fealt condolences to all those directly effected.


Perhaps The Best I Could Contribute Is My Wiccan Community's Outreaching Response... Sep 12th. at 1:11:55 pm UTC

Vindos Circlestar (Winchester, Virginia US) Age: 45 - Email


Perhaps the best I could contribute is my Wiccan community's outreaching response to what happened. It has done some good so far. Perhaps the same thing elsewhere will help others.

More than anything, I thought the first thing that was needed was to calm everyone down as much as possible. I was at work in my office in northern Virginia when we got the news, first from New York and then from D.C., barely 10 miles away. Needless to say, I watched as things got rather tense for me and my coworkers, with everyone glued to a radio or television. Getting work done was impossible. It occurred to me that I might be able to help, however subtly.

First, I switched for the day from drinking coffee to drinking herb tea. I had mint and chamomile available. I then centered myself and started projecting calmness and clearheadedness, hoping to forestall any hysteria. It seemed to work. The office quieted a bit, although it became more pronounced as people started to head home early when our employer offered it.

I then shared my idea with my local Wicca community--mostly in Maryland--by e-mail. I suggested that everyone who could light their altars and blanket the region with the same calm and clear-headedness I had used. I also suggested that those who had no altar handy light theirs by visualizing it, if they could do so conveniently.

The response from my community was immediate. At our elders' word, temples were kept open all night for those in need of solace. Word went out, too, for the rest of us to keep our altars lit all night, or as long as we could without risking fire danger. From the news media, I would say we were successful. We certainly didn't hurt anything.

I plan to keep on doing the same thing. I believe my local brothers and sisters do, too. I feel the best thing I can do involves the healing process, slow though it may be ultimately. I don't not feel compelled right now to seek out whoever was responsible for what happened. Competent authorites are already doing that. Even if they weren't, there is karma. Those who caused the disasters have invoked a great deal of nasty karmic on themselves, payment for which will come due sometime. They won't escape that even in death. For now, there are those who grieve to be comforted, those injured to be healed, and those slain to be helped on their to wherever they're going. Let those be the ones we think of first.


I Am Afraid. I Have The Sinking Suspicion We Will Be Going... Sep 12th. at 1:12:36 pm UTC

Clover Marie EarthFire (San Diego, California US) Age: 18 - Email


I am afraid. I have the sinking suspicion we will be going to war soon. And that scares me. I have made a decision on something. I fear our country will nto only go to war but it will be a large war. And if so they will probably call for people to join the armed forces so they don't have to start drafts. I have made the decision that if it gets to that point I will sign myself up. Not because I want tp, I am very afraid of war and I don't know if I could handle it. But I have younger siblings... I want them to grow up in a country that is safe and for them to lead normal lives. I want them to grow up and have families and not fear these things. And for them I would go and fight. For them and all children. The thing that hit me so much yesterday was what the other secretary here at work said. She is six months pregnant and looked at me with fear and sadness in her eyes and said "I am bringing a child into all of this."

I found out about all of this after driving my brother to school. I dropped him off and turned on the radio and heard the news. I reached my college and went into the commons to watch TV before class. And saw what was happening. At that time neither tower had fallen, but both were hit. I was freaking out. I asked everyone around me what the status on the Pentagon was. No one could give me information. I needed to know about the pentagon, my uncle works there. The news never talked about it except breifly. I spent the next two hours in class worrying. I got to work and immediatly started calling DC. Phone lines are down, lines are full, lines out of service. All I received was recorded messages telling me I couldn't get through. Phone lines are down from California to much of the East Coast. I was finally able to get a chain of phone calls (San Diego, Ca to San Jose, CA. San Jose, Ca to Boston, Mass. Bostoon, Mass to DC) to start to get information. I found out that my uncle was on leave yesterday, and therefore not in the pentagon. Though they are still waiting on information regarding many friends. My second worry of the day was my uncle in Boston. He takes the flight from Boston to LA very often. But through this chain of phone calls I found that he was not on a buisness trip this week and therefore not on a plane. I still only feel a little comfort knowing that.

Last night I went home and let and candle burn all through the night. A white candle covered in sacred oils. A candle of remembrence and reminders. I will continue to do this every night for a week. And every year on the same day.

September 11th, 2001. Let us not forget the beginning.

Clover Marie EarthFire


I Do Hope That We Don't Judge Any Group Of People.i... Sep 12th. at 1:23:44 pm UTC

Bel (Maiden, North Carolina US) Age: 30


I do hope that we don't judge any group of people.
I share the sadness as well as the anger.
But what i'm seeing is that the Americans where I live wish
To attack American Citizens who are Muslims.
Everyone here(at witchvox.com) knows what it is
to have people judge us as a whole.
Like the Witch trials I see so much Chaos and people in public wanting
death for a whole group of people who they see as different..as evil.
I see nothing good that can come from this.
nobody wins


I Am Hurt For All Of The Lives Lost.however I'm Not Surprized... Sep 12th. at 1:24:07 pm UTC

V_Huntress_D (Lakewood, Washington US) Age: 33 - Email


I am hurt for all of the lives lost.However I'm not surprized to see this happen.We as a nation have been living under the delusion that this would not happen to us . Then after Oklahoma it showed us that terrorism can happen but that was our own people we were able to tell ourselves . This is a tragic baptism into what the rest of the world goes through . It's time to take what we learned yesterday and gain strength and wisdom from this .I myself am going to up my white light protection barrier and fill it with as much protection as I can , and I am going to be more wary more so than I already am .

I also agree that please go to the Red Cross or your local hospital or blood bank donate .Also like with what we did when 2000 came make sure your stocked up on food and seeds and some means of protecting yourselves because this planet is crazy. I love Mother Earth but others don't seem to share that emotion these days.


As I Read Through The Postings On This Site, My Reaction To... Sep 12th. at 1:26:47 pm UTC

O'shee-ana (London, Ohio US) Age: 38


As I read through the postings on this site, my reaction to yesterday mirrors others. Disbelief, shock, dismay, and yes, anger. For the terrorists to involve the innocents on those planes in their plan makes me furious. This type of "suicide" is not noble. I ask that the strength of my Lord and the comfort of my Lady go to all involved, whether they were in the fated planes, the buildings or on the ground. May their last thoughts be of peace and love. And I ask that the same blessings go to the rescue workers, medical personnel, our government and others affected in days ahead.
Another source of my writing is the independent gas station owners. Although prices in my area remain lower than other reports, we still saw a 30 cent raise overnight. According to all reports, there is NO gasoline shortage! Must we suffer a rape from outside sources and be raped again by our own people?


Magickal Workings Going On Currently To Help:1) A Friend Who Lives... Sep 12th. at 1:29:15 pm UTC

Daven (Nashville, Tennessee US) Age: 33 - Email


Magickal workings going on currently to help:

1) A friend who lives in Amboy NJ, just 24 miles from the tragedy in NYC, said that she needs the help of all the Pagans in the world who have any experience with magickal workings, and specifically shielding, to help build a thoughtform to protect the United States from further attacks like this. She would like to build it from coast to coast and protecting all the places where we have our citizens. It is to keep the Americans safe from further attacks of this nature.

2) I would like to ask all those who have experience working on the Astral plane to help me and a few others in sending those souls who died without knowing about it on to the Summerlands. Mostly it is simply getting them to realize they are dead and it's time to move on, but in some cases it is healing their souls from the injuries recieved before helping them to go on. There are many in the disaster zones that are traumatized and disoriented and who died without knowing what happened who need this help.

3) This is another magickal working I recieved:

*YOU HAVE BLANKET PERMISSION TO FORWARD THIS MESSAGE SWIFTLY AND WIDELY*

People, In addition to everyone's private efforts occuring throughout the day, I am calling for a major coordination of an Act of Magick on behalf of this crisis to take place TONIGHT at Midnight, U.S. Eastern (New York/Washington D.C.)Time, 11p.m. Central time, 10p.m. Mountain Time, 9p.m. Pacific time and 5a.m in Great Britain and Western Europe. All who can please gather in your temples, living rooms, sacred groves and by your nearest power spot to send energy to this situation. If your heart directs you to, please CONTINUE this Act of Magick for Nine Nights - I feel strongly that our country's leadership will direct the country towards wholesale warfare; this Act of Magick will be both healing and prophylactic. The goals as I see it that we should focus on as a bare minimum should be:

* Safety and Healing, both for individuals and our piece of Gaia - and Herself as a whole

* Reinforcement of our personal and national shields

* A STRONG thread of Peace and Calming directed within our own borders as well as towards the Attackers

* A prayer for clarity and equanimity to prevail

* A STRONG thread directed to our country's leaders NOT to consider War as an option and good vibes sent to our people in the military

However your customs, traditions and spirit tell you to combine any or all of these issues (or others you may come up with) and proceed, please do so. The important thing is that we coordinate our energies at the same time and keep the wave going as long as we can - Nine Days is the ancient prescription for such crises.

4) Finally, I would ask those who are into Magickal Workings of any kind NOT TO do any rituals for vengance or attack or any kind of retribution. Our own government will find the perpetrators and take care of them. The sidebar by Isaac is correct, we need to focus our attention on helping those who were the victims FIRST, then on protecting those who will be going into harm's way on this matter. We do NOT need to precipitate any violent action on this issue, not even bringing home the consequences to those who are responsible. There will be time enough for that later. Focus your energies first on HEALING, second on PROTECTION and lastly on vengance.


Earlier I Sent A Nostradamus Article From My Father In Law. I... Sep 12th. at 1:31:41 pm UTC

Amuia (Aiea, Hawaii US) Age: 28 - Email


Earlier I sent a Nostradamus article from my Father in Law. I just saw a website that says that it did not come from him. It seems that even in the wake of this tradedy, the gloom and doomers have no shame.

Sorry to cause a stir.


Merry Meet To Pagans In Us And All Around The World:i... Sep 12th. at 1:32:13 pm UTC

HawkDance (Singapore, Singapore) Age: 18


Merry meet to pagans in US and all around the world:

I am a Pagan living in Singapore. When I first seen the news of the terrorist attacks, I was watching my tv. I immediately switched the channel to CNN and BCC to find out what was going on. I thought that it was a mere plane crash that was caused by a reckless pilot.

I was shock by what I see on the tv. The newstation repeatedly playback video footage of the two planes that crashed into the twin towers of US WTC. The screams of my fellow brothers and sisters, not just Americans. What shocked me the most was that they were caused by terrorists. The question flashed across my mind, "Why did they do such a thing!".

I insist that this is a horrendous act that could be prevented through them not thinking of such a well planned attack, which is through the usage of civilian air planes as guided missiles. Civilian air planes with human passengers in them. A few of them called their loved ones to pass on their final messages to their family members.

This is a tragic story. Then they smashed it against the buildings. Not one plane but two! These terrorists must have conviniently ruled out the fact that those people in the buildings were humans like they are.

I immediately logged on to my Internet to find out about the well-being of my Pagan friends in the US. Luckily they were alright. Even though they were alrite, my heart hurts when I continuously see the video footage of the planes crashing into the WTC building at different angles. The particular footage shown on CNN shook my spirit. This is not suicide! This is mass murder.

Then palestanians are shown dancing on the streets rejoicing over what they considered as an act of GOD's Will. Children are dancing raising their country's flag. Showing their victorious expression. I know that many would be feeling hatred boiling up like the hot lava in a ready to explode volcano. Some may be thinking, "If I were there I would shoot them down one by one!" Well my response to it is that their lives are just as worth as those living in the buildings. They only express the feelings of what they have kept locked up deep down inside their heart.

The only one thing that matters now is the culprit that must be sniggering over is so called "victorious" acts. The government should do all it can to apprehend this scrupulous and despicable person so that he may be legally charged with what he had done and that such an act would and must not be repeated. Again, there is nothing much that he can do to heal and return back what he had caused. His death cannot be balanced with the deaths of thousands of innocent fellow humans.

I as a civilised human, feel the pain of a knife stabbing through my heart. I cried out loud each time the scene flash across the screen. I send my prayer to those that have unknowingly lost their loved ones in a flash of light. My spirit, mind and healing love goes out to you to give you strength to face what you have gone through. This attack remains a scar that would be remembered by the US and all its citizens about what had happened on this horrendous day. This scar that would never heal but would leave a painful mark on the history of its people.

I once again would like to ask those around the globe to help all they can to help heal this painful stab in the heart of many. You may want to give unconditional healing energies to those that are hurt and love to those that have left these world. Physically, please go to the nearest blood donation centre to donate blood to those that may need it.

I also would like to convey my heartfelt thanks to those firefighters and policemen that had efficiently helped people out and my condolences to those that had lost their colleagues and partners when the building collasped. I am proud that humanity is still burning bright in many hearts.

Gravest Condolences and Blessings to all,
HawkDance


Raven Hair Day I Woke Up To Day Still Why A Sad... Sep 12th. at 1:32:29 pm UTC

Sonya Skelton AKA Raven Hair (Philadelphie, Pennsylvania US) Age: 31 - Email


Raven Hair
Day I woke up to day still why a sad

heart and pleant of leaf ovre rage.
So to day here in Phila is Wodintag.

I am going to spend my day sending

out so healing runes and kill some

demons that still harm our land.

And i wish we can all send protection

light, enregy, or runes to our Amrican,

Arab sisters and bothers.

To keep them safe from hate during

this time of recovery.

love and lots of mead


Dear Friends, Though Anger, Rage, Disgust, And Hatred Are All Acceptable And... Sep 12th. at 1:39:37 pm UTC

Maeve (Boone, North Carolina US) Age: 0


Dear Friends,
Though anger, rage, disgust, and hatred are all acceptable and appropriate feelings after such a horrendous and pointless act of violence ending in the death and misery of so many innocents, I implore you to understand that these people. . . the perpetrators of such a heinous act, are people and susceptable to all of the same irrational and unwise emotions as we all are. Unfortunately, these people had the lack of empathy and lighness in their hearts that many of us have the fortune of possessing . Unfortunately, the U.S. has gotten itself into a holy war that has been going on for thousands and thousands of years. Some people are not so lucky that they have spiritualities based on love, understanding, and peace. Many are told their entire lives that they must fight and die for their religions and that anyone who opposes them is inhuman. I find this very upsetting. It takes an extreme amount of emotional alienation to commit the acts that were committed yesterday morning. These people have become the embodiement of hatred; it drives them. They live (and die) to hate and bestow misery upon those who oppose their political, social, and religious ideologies. So tell me. . . what becomes of us when we begin to walk on that same path? What will become of us when we let ourselves become the embodiment of hate, loathing, and violence, even if it's only against one group? The Milgrim study, done shortly after WWII and the holocost, sought to answer the question, "What makes an banal, familiy-oriented, loving, socially-adept, seemingly "normal", everyday individual commit such heinous acts against humanity?" The answer was frighteningly clear: individuals will commit acts far beyone their personal levels of immorality in the face of authoritarian pressure. Furthermore, when an individual sees another group of individuals as subhuman or even inhuman, the level of violence and desicration increases exponentially. My point, my sisters and brothers, is that vengeance will perpetuate the problem, not to mention rob us of our humanity, love, and empathy. It will help to harden our hearts and create a situation where these people become inhuman. . . just like we have to them. They bomb our cities for what seems to them like a perfectly justified reason (they were willing to die themselves). . . so we kill their innocents for what seems to us like a perfectly justified reason. Wow. . . this really gets them worked up. . . how dare we destroy their innocents after taking their holy lands? It's a horrible, hateful spiral, and as pagans, following the rule of "Harm None", we have no business perpetuating it or even prescribing it. If not for these sad, alienated, misguided, hate-consumed people or their potentially innocent families and neighbors, then for yourselves, your family, your loved ones. . . please let go of the hate and misery. Please don't succumb to the alienation that the blackness in your heart causes. Find comfort in your gods, your goddesses, the force, the universe. . . all will work out in the end. May you find the courage to love in the midst of hatred. May you find the light of peace through the darkness.

Much love to you all, my beautiful, strong brothers and sisters. . .
Peace & Balance. . .


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