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ExCUSE Me! Has Common Courtesy Become A Thing of the Past?
Is it just me or are people crabbier, ruder and less courteous than once was the norm? Have you ever received an email without any sort of greeting or salutation, but which ‘demands’ that you must do such-and-such for him/her and right now as well? Or perhaps had a parking spot stolen? Been given the one-finger salute? Been behind the person in the ten-items only line who has at least twice that amount? (C’mon! I know that you count them, too!) Held the door open for someone who obviously thinks that it must be your job or something and so has no need to thank you for YOUR courteous gesture? Tell us your horror stories! What can we do to make the world just a little better mannered?
For some background info, talking points and helpful suggestions, see: Courtesy by Chuck Gallozzi.
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| OH BOY ||Oct 15th. at 10:20:49 am EDT|
I totally understand the question and where the author of it is coming from. It's funny, because it's not just Pagans and Witches who are getting picked at anymore; it's everyone. I mean, yeah, I've gotten some nasty things said to me because I'm Wiccan, but still... Not just us, anymore. I think that people are really starting to feel the pressure of the times, and they're figuring "Hey; lets take it out on everyone else, because NO ONE has it worse than me" Sad, but sometimes... So true.
| I'm Still On The Fence ||Oct 15th. at 11:23:57 am EDT|
|Stefanie (Florida) ||Age: 24 - Email |
I'm not sure whether or not manners are still alive and well. I believe that the most incidents of
rudeness occur on the highway. I get flipped the 1-finger salute or honked at if I take too long waiting to cross six lanes of traffic (without a traffic light, mind you) and not wanting to wreck my boyfriend's truck. Generally, 99% of the time, I ignore these hurried persons because I know that they are in a hurry to get home just as much I am. However, this doesn't entitle them to think that I should risk my life and someone else's just so that they can get home or wherever they
are going 30 seconds faster. Most people down here are fairly pleasant (that whole Southern hospitality thing, I suppose). I am in customer service also and the majority of "cranky" customers are usually someone whose had their fill and refuse to take anymore. The behavior of people in public places has to be the worst I have seen in years. I don't know how some people get the idea that the world revolves around them and their "precious time". Unfortunately, these are the people that spoil everyone else's day and it makes no difference to them whatsoever. I have raised my two sons and will do so with my unborn child, to be polite, saying please, thank you, and even excuse me when they want to say something when someone else is talking (that is one of my biggest peeves) I can hope that they will grow up to be polite and helpful when they are grown.
| In My Opinion... ||Oct 15th. at 12:49:51 pm EDT|
|Alley (Michigan) ||Age: 15 - Email |
It is my opinion that there are as many polite wonderful people out
there as there ever were. But now there are even more rude people, who lack common courtesy too.
The numbers may not have changed, simply put we are being exposed to more of these people.
But from the view of the lunch room at our local high school I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong in that assumption.
| Courtesy Isn't Common Anymore ||Oct 15th. at 12:54:19 pm EDT|
|magefire (Easley SC) ||Age: 30 - Email |
I also work for a retail company and deal with the public. I have noticed the trend toward rudeness, abruptness and crudeness too. However, I am a memeber in a historical reenactors group that stresses courtesy and chivalry. It has almost become second nature for me to be courteous. I try to keep that in mind when I am dealing with a rude individual and have discovered that it usually sets them off guard when the rudeness is met with courtesy. (and I've even noticed that in some of the people it shames them into acting better.)
Just my thoughts. Blessed be
| Changing World ||Oct 15th. at 1:13:09 pm EDT|
|bryan (sc) ||Age: 35 - Email |
There are a lot of good posts to this question. I'm not sure if others have noticed it as well, but the smaller towns still have a few manners left in them. I guess there aren't enough influences clustered tightly together to make a dramatic impact. Nothing against population density though. I live in a very small town and commute to a rather large town to work. I see it every day. A lot of it is on the roads. I try to use the 1 hour trip home to reflect on the day, observe the world changing as I pass by daily, and sometimes "people-watch". With a lot of people waiting in traffic and some of them yelling and honking, others are influenced and some join in. We are influenced by our environments. We all need to remember this. WHAT WE GIVE OUT COMES BACK TO US!!! I have witnessed it all too much, hey, I've done it, regrettably. Yes, we're all human, maybe some of us can start acting that way. I occasionally may forget, but I try to do my part. Brightest Blessings to All.
| Ahh..Proper Young Lady Training... ||Oct 15th. at 1:39:49 pm EDT|
|MoonOwl (Egypt Lake, Florida) ||Age: 39 - Email |
I think "Old School" manners are becoming a thing of the past. I was raised to be a "Proper Young Lady" (didn't help:}) in the old school tradition. Think of the movie Titanic. I hated it at the time - especially the pinches under the table when dining out.
Thank You notes for gifts, handwritten Christmas Cards, etc., etc.. These things have become lost arts.
I have a daughter and I am passing on what I have been taught.
I was surprised after September 11th that people seemed to be ruder instead of nicer. I personally have tried to be even more polite since then.
I've often wondered why this is. My personal motto is "Life's too short to be anal". Yet, I see it all the time. Maybe these rude people's lives are terrible. Maybe all these people are so busy in their lives they don't take the time that good manners take. Thou it takes no time to say "Thank You" when someone holds the door for you. I would like to think when my daughter is old enough to ride the bus, train, etc., she would give her seat to an elderly person or a pregnant woman without hesitation because it is the right thing to do.
I'm trying to raise her to think of others before herself - not an easy concept for a 4-year old to grasp - and treat all people, animals & our planet with respect.
Since both my mom and grandmother have passed on, "Proper Young Lady" training is a legacy I'm trying to pass on (even if it kills me:}). It's one way I can keep their memories alive for my daughter.
I do like the bumper-sticker I've seen.."Rude People Suck". Yes, they do.
Now, I am not perfect...Just listen to me rant about King Jerry or other small-minded individuals with no tolerance for other opinions. Especially when those opinions end up getting people killed. But everyday I try to do one "random act of kindness". Just because it's the right thing to do and I think this world needs more positive karma flowing. Because for me too, good manners are a way of me paying tribute to the matriarchs of my family that have given me soo much in this life to be thankful for. I'm also trying to make up for calling the driver that just cut me off an blooming idiot!!
I do have a cute tale..This morning my daughter had a play-date today with one of her preschool friends. Her mom is a serious Christian (I made sure my house was lived-in spotless after last's weeks article about the 91 cats - since she was headed to a "Daughter's of Christ" meeting afterwards!!). After about an hour we got to talking about getting ready for Christmas and she politely asked me if I celebrate Christmas. I guess my Goddess, Budda & Totem on my mantle clued her into the fact that I'm not a Christian. I can hear her now...I had no idea that woman was a pagan! But, she's so nice! But, boy her house was clean and her kid is very smart and polite and she's got more toys than mine does" (Yes, I do indulge my kid) My point being she was curious and asked politely. The question of the day is: Will she be back? I hope so. Even if it's just to get more info for her group: Outside of having very long hair, she looks like any other mom.. I would have never guessed by looking at her!:} I had to share that. It cracked me up. I don't judge her and hopefully she doesn't judge me. She seems very nice. We could even end up friends.
Manners Count! It's what separates us from rude people.
Y'all are lucky...a thunderstorm is coming and I must shut-down..
There's my 25 cents worth!
In Love, Light & Tolerance!
| Manners, Manners, Manners ||Oct 15th. at 3:50:42 pm EDT|
|Erin (Wixom, MI) ||Age: 23 - Email |
I guess that I must make my opinion clear on this....manners are all but lost in today's society.
I hope to offend no one in this posting, however, I would like to share my own experiance.
I must, with tremendous disdain and embarrassment say that my generation and the parents that raised us has a lot to do with this lack of manners. I'm 23, and a lot of the people I grew up with had this "I don't care" attitude. They still do. Their parents were (and are still) rude and seem to not care, or not even notice the child. My own parents (when present) shoved me out of the room between puffs of smoke and told me to go play with my friends. Never a mention of manners or good will. It was my grandfather and grandmother (thank the goddess) who showed my manners. My parents, if you haven't already guessed, are from the 60's and early 70's.....yes, they're hippies...
Also, I must admit that I never had MUCH of a consideration for other people and their opinions (feelings I always did respect) until Sept 11, and that incident sort of woke me up and showed me that there isn't enough time in the world or in life for you to touch someone in a negative way...it would be much more karmically and heart fulfilling to touch a stranger in a positive way.
Maybe none of this makes any sense to any one else but me....I guess what I'm trying to say is that a lot of us need to wake up and see the bad side of things to understand the need for good...
And if you're a parent AND a hippie - at least pay attention to your kids....
Love, light, and serenity,
| New Word For Polite ||Oct 15th. at 3:52:08 pm EDT|
|Terry (Utah) ||Age: 36 - Email |
I may be wrong, but it seems to me that when people are expected to be polite, the term that is now used is "Politically Correct." And Politically Correct is seen as a BAD thing! I don't think it is a bad thing consider whether or not what you are going to say or do is going to be offensive or hurt somebody's feelings! Just my opinion. Blessed be all!
| Definitely ||Oct 15th. at 5:15:32 pm EDT|
|Brahadair (Charlottetown, PE) ||Age: 20 - Email |
Working in the customer service industry, I completely agree with this. No one shows respect anymore. You thank people, you welcome them, you are courteous and friendly, and they blow you off like you are some peon.
I don't think people have time to be friendly or polite anymore. I just wish that people would realize that a little smile or 'thank you' goes a long way.
| Modern Common Courtesy ||Oct 15th. at 5:20:50 pm EDT|
|Megan (Cliffwood Beach, NJ) ||Age: 18 - Email |
I'm, I guess, what you can call a modern common courtesy practicer. I still hold doors for people with loads of bags, childern or just cause I happen to be there. I say thank you, your welcome and please, always say "have a nice day" or "You Too" after a person says have a good day or something like that. I have a habit not saying excuse me after I burp because I'm always laughing but I do say it bump into someone or anything that requires a "excuse me". I usually let people in lineahead of me with just one thing or seem impaient. Now, I'm not an Old fashion kinda person but it just semes right to do it. But a lot of my friends don't do what I do. They'll just storm off or ignore it. I find it rude when people don't say thank you or please. I used to work in a grocery store and not a soul would say thank you when I said to them 'Have a Nice Day'. It got on my nerves but it's not like I could anything about it. The only thing I know what to do about it is just do what they don't do. Heck, it just might make someone's day or make someone feel better. I think that if someone still does it, it just might rub off and more might do it. I usually slap my friends on the arm of back if they don't say thank you or please and they do it. But I'm avacating hitting people just sorta encourging them. Give them a little push toward niceness. Normally it doesn't bother me when people are rude or don't do certain things. I just take it as that person is ill-educated and doesn't mind if I do it back. You get more bees with honey then you do with vinger. So, ya know what I say, do it even if you don't it back that much.
| My Thoughts And Venting ||Oct 15th. at 6:16:46 pm EDT|
|Angela (Clarksville, TN) ||Age: 29 - Email |
As a mother of five children. I find that courteous is lacking in our society. To being cut off on the road by a speed demon or someone who turn's to quickly at a turn off without using their turning signal--shopping areas of people to tired and busy with their own lives to apologize or take notice when they run into you with a cart or are standing there in the middle of the isle, talking to a friend that they saw yesterday--but it feels like two years since they last saw each other.
The shopping center is an issue with me. I go in there for items and what I get is people almost running over my children who are little and in a stroller and not once do they apologize that they almost ran them over because they needed to look at something while walking (and it wasn't where they were going either). Or that fact that the last time my husband wore a certain Rob Zombie T-shirt, we were stalked by an older man trying to persuade my husband to "find Jesus" and wouldn't take us asking him nicely and using the word please to leave us alone. And to sum it all up! When it's just me and the five children and having a hard time pushing the cart and pulling a stroller. Does anyone come over and offer help? Oh no, just comments of how brave of a woman I am and how they couldn't do what I do. Or just comment that if I can't handle all my kids than I shouldn't be in the store with them. So, going to the store takes a lot of mediation! However, of a mother of five, courtesy is demanded of my children. I stress it to them daily and reminded of it every time we are out of the house and in public. If I see them not being courteous and instead, being rude, I ground them instantly and tell them to think about their actions and than apologize. I agree with everything that Chuck Gallozzi said in his list of teaching manners to our children, all though I do teach my children to stand up for themselves when not respected..I have also taught them to do so with respect for themselves and the person being unkind. I wish other parents did the same. Maybe courtesy would come back. And the school violence would stop.
| I'ld Like To Add To My Previous Post.... ||Oct 15th. at 6:44:23 pm EDT|
|Allegra (Michigan) ||Age: 15 - Email |
This one really got me thinking about how I treat others. I got up did all the dishes, sweeped the floor and various other house hold chores. But thats not enough. If there are going to be so many rude inconsiderate people out there, then I will just have to work harder at being curteous. I'm the kind of person who holds doors for others, say please and thank you, will give you my spot in line if your in a hurry, ect. But maybe I'm just scratching the surface. Maybe I should work harder, I think we should all work harder. We can't just stand by and think we are being curteous and polite, it should be a habit yes, but we should make a point of it.
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