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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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It Is Really Such A Terrible Tragedy That So Many Lives Have... Sep 12th. at 6:22:05 pm UTC

Diane Brooks (Palatka, Florida US) Age: 43 - Email


It is really such a terrible tragedy that so many lives have been lost, and that their families must endure this enormous loss. It is our hope that these terroists are brought to justice as soon as humanly possible... altho even then it will not bring back those who lost their lives due to their acts.
We pray for the families, and ask the Goddesses and Gods to comfort the families and friends of those who are no longer here.
A Memorial page will soon be on my site (http://swampvvitch.com)for this tragedy.


Crow Has Been Calling Frantically At Me For Two Days Now! She... Sep 12th. at 6:30:24 pm UTC

Watches Crow (Edwardsville, Illinois US) Age: 51 - Email


Crow has been calling frantically at me for two days now! She is urgent in her calls, demanding that I hear her warning;her calls nearly became screams yesterday! I came inside from sending my son off on the school bus, sat down to finish my coffee and there, Live on T.V., I witnessed the second 727 Jet hit the second of the twin towers in NYC. Numbly, I sat down my cup unsure that I had seen the crash. Surely it couldn't be real and it couldn't happen to us, on American soil! Crow was wrong I thought...I could hear her outside calling loudly. And then I heard that the Pentagon had been attacked. Suddenly, I flashed on the news casts of Vietnam deaths. The lists of the dead soldiers names replayed in my mind as though in front of my eyes. I remembered my fiance. The government had to ship him home in a glass lidded coffin, sealed to protect all who viewed him from any diseases that might have hitchhiked from Vietnam on his body or his clothes. He was nineteen years old and had been a Medic. And his hair was snow white! And I couldn't even touch his sleeve! I begged Creator then to spare us from another war in my lifetime...hoping that my son or your children would never see what war would do. I have to believe that out of this horrible and cruel deed some lesson will be learned by the Governing Powers so that our children won't have to go to bed and be afraid to go to sleep as my son was last night...as I was last night and as many were last night. Today I heard that in Afghanistan people were fighting to get out of their country for fear of our retaliation. And I wondered how many mothers were anxiously clutching babies closely to them and praying for their safety. I know at last that Crow is right...the world has gone crazy and all that we can do is Pray!

Creator, in your wisdom I ask that you watch over Humanity and that you intervene for the sake of the children. I ask that you prevent us from destroying one another and that you help us to remember our past mistakes that have cost us so many lives and not taught us any lessons. Creator, bless and watch over the four-legged, the two-legged, the winged and the creepy-crawlie and help us not to destroy that, which you have given us, in trust. Bless and watch over Brother Sky, Mother Earth, Sister Moon, the Four Winds that blow, The Waters that flow, The Stars in the Sky and the Ancients who fly them. Be our Guide, Creator, in your wisdom. May the Light be bright around us and ours.
Hai yey!

Blessed Be, Watches Crow.


I Read This Famous Poem To My Literature Students This Morning. I... Sep 12th. at 6:35:10 pm UTC

Dion-Isis (Redondo Beach, California US) Age: 45 - Email


I read this famous poem to my literature students this morning. I think it says all that can be said about the human condition.

Dover Beach

The sea is calm tonight.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits;--on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! You hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the Aegean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.

Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain,
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

--Matthew Arnold

I usually sign my messages with "em hotep, " which means "in peace, " but I think now that I shall have to sign with this:

No justice, No peace,
Dion-Isis


I Have Read Several Posts Here Condemning Our President And Saying If... Sep 12th. at 6:35:11 pm UTC

Anfa (Ridgeland, Mississippi US) Age: 22 - Email


I have read several posts here condemning our President and saying if he declares war it will be WW 3, and i can understand the concern but we have not declared war.
The only context the word "war" has been used in is that this was "an act of war, " and not on our part but on the part of those terrorists who killed thousands of INNOCENTS!
Everyone is too quick to jump on the idea that war is a forgone conclusion, please sisters and brothers have faith in our elected officials. Have faith that they will try to prevent this worst case scenario if possible. War is not a situation that any nation goes into lightly and ours will be no different.

But ponder this if you will, Some (and i stress only some) Muslims have already declared Jihad on our nation, so if it comes down to war it will not be the fault of U.S. officials, that declaration has already been issued.

Once again I pray the Goddess embraces all of Her children touched by the awful events of 9-11-01.


Merry Meet All...i Am Sending Out My Deepest Condolences To The... Sep 12th. at 6:43:38 pm UTC

AzureMyst (New Brunswick, New Jersey US) Age: 20 - Email


Merry Meet all...
I am sending out my deepest condolences to the families and friends of those who were lost yesterday in the horrible attack on our country. I send my prayers for the safety of the rescue workers and the survivors of this disaster. I am deeply saddened by this, and wondering how people can be so ignorant and self-serving. Even as I watch the news, I am frightened by the actions of other countries upon us, and what our retaliation will be. I am fightened by the continued ignorance of my friends, and the ideas that they still hold, as if the entire middle east is to blame. I try to stop them from assuming, try to get them to be compassionate, and try to get them to see that THIS is exactly why things like this keep happening. What the world needs is love and understanding, or peace will forever elude our grasp. I do think that the parties responsible should be brought to justice, but generating hate towards anyone who might be a supporter of this act or even seemingly one, does not help. All it does is generate mob mentality, and create an even more dangerous situation. I pray for everyone involved here, victims, perpetrators, and those who will be falsely accused for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To all, I say Blessed be, and may the Goddess watch over you always.


As We Listen To And Watch These Reports Of The Mounting Death... Sep 12th. at 6:45:25 pm UTC

Tezra (Cupertino, California US) Age: 54


As we listen to and watch these reports of the mounting death toll,
let us gather in love to visualize peace, and have faith that the
perpetrators will be found and brought to justice without starting
World War III.

May the Goddess and the God be with us all, and guide us with Their
love.


One Of The Worst Effects Of An Incident Like This, Aside From... Sep 12th. at 6:47:16 pm UTC

Denise (Sayville, New York US) Age: 28 - Email


One of the worst effects of an incident like this, aside from the horrendous loss of life, is the reaction following the immediate horror and desperate grief. As a witch, I am a firm believer in the Rede and practice it everyday. I don't even kill insects inside my own home! I capture them in a glass and put them outside! But an event like this makes me so angry that it is extremely difficult to stick to that belief. I HATE what happened, I HATE the men who perpetrated this horrific act, and I HATE the way what they did has made me feel. I want vengeance so badly I can taste it! I want them all to pay and pay dearly! How do I reconcile what I am feeling right now with my own spiritual belief system?! Mohandes Gandhi said that in order to defeat our enemies we must love them.......but how can we love an enemy that could perform such a completly heinous act?! I always believed in Gandhi's nonviolent principles, but how can I apply them here? I don't think I am capable of "loving" mass murderers of innocent men, women and children who do it in the cause of gaining entry into their warped view of "heaven." Men like that will NEVER see any kind of heaven. I know it sounds trite, but why can't we all just live and let live? Why can't we all just get along? Why is that so difficult? Is it really easier to hate that it is to love? I never thought so. I am so proud of the response shown by every American in this time of crisis. So many people donating their time, their blood, and their money to aid all of the victims of this terrible tragedy. I am proud to be an American Witch, and nothing that any terrorist or any rogue state could do would ever shake my belief in this great country and its promise of freedom for all who live in it. Thank you to those at WitchVox for allowing me the space to vent my feelings about the horror that has so recently occurred. It is greatly appreciated.


With The Recent Tragedies I Decided To Set About Doing Something Productive... Sep 12th. at 6:47:21 pm UTC

Myst Lyrica (Phoniex, Arizona US) Age: 27 - Email


With the recent tragedies I decided to set about doing something productive.
In an attempt to create a network and support group for those lives that have been touched by this directly or indirectly - I created We Want a World.

The Site is dedicated to helping those of us seeking peacful soulutions to the hatred that seems to have taken a hold of our planet. Please come and take a look you can find it at:

http://myamea.tripod.com/WWAW/index.html


I'm Trying To Get Together Pagans In My Area And The Cities... Sep 12th. at 6:48:11 pm UTC

Harlequin (Peoria, Arizona US) Age: 19 - Email


I'm trying to get together Pagans in my area and the cities around it (Peoria, Glendale, Phoenix ext.) to come together for a bake sale. All the money made from the bake sale will go to the people most affected by the terrorist attacks on Tuesday. Please e-mail me for more information.

-Harle- (HarlequinEyes@hotmail.com)


We Were Eye Witnesses, And I Sadly Had Woken At 5am To... Sep 12th. at 6:49:18 pm UTC

jd michaels (new york, New York US) Age: 34


we were eye witnesses, and i sadly had woken at 5am to look at the towers after a dream that they were on fire. the next time i saw them, they were. we prayed in every way for the victims, and have a candle burning in the window that the towers used to be in. please light as many candles as you can...we saw the buildings come down, and whoever was left there needs light after all the dust. thank you. blessed be.


Dear Everyone, I'm Sorry And Saddened To See This Happen In Our... Sep 12th. at 6:59:46 pm UTC

Lisa Carroll (Tampa, Florida US) Age: 34 - Email


Dear everyone,

I'm sorry and saddened to see this happen in our country..especially for the families with loved ones in that awful mess.

I know who's going to be sorrier though...once we find them. This type of behavior can not be tolerated any longer, by us or any other country. The world is just too small for it.

Lady and Lord protect us and comfort us all.

I'm going to be talking to the Morrigan.

Crow


Like Many People, Pagan And Non, I Am Sickened And Saddened By... Sep 12th. at 7:02:33 pm UTC

Patrick McKinnion (San Diego, California US) Age: 35 - Email


Like many people, Pagan and non, I am sickened and saddened by the cowardly actions of September 11th, 2001.

I would like to point out to some of my Pagan brethren, that life does occasionally cause harm. And that the threefold law does say that every action will come back threefold. Sometimes one has to act as an agent of Karma in order to make sure Karma is enacted - which means taking responsibility for that action, and making sure you have a damm good reason for it when you come to Mom at the end of your days.

Asking that those who have done this act be punished for their actions is just and right. Working magic so that their evil be thrown back into their faces is a proper and ethical working, as long as you accept the responsibility for your working - and make sure it harms as little innocent lives as possible.

And remember that the people who have done this act, if they are the suspects people think they are, have violated the words of their Prophet and their own belief, and are therefore oathbroken and outcast from their belief and God. And anyone of Celtic belief or heritage can tell you how accursed an oathbreaker is.

For those left behind, prayers and support and healing is offered and given. For those who have been taken off the wheel by this coward's act, may the Lady and Lord recieve you and comfort you and yours. For you, there shall be a returning.

For those healers, paramedics, EMT's, nurses and doctors labouring to save those from death's door, may you and yours thrive and grow, and know that you shall be rewarded in the Lady and Lord's eyes.

For those rescuers working to recover those still alive, also know that you shall be rewarded for your actions.

For those police and military working to defend this land and it's people, and for those in other free nations doing the same for their people, may you and yours be protected and honoured in your duty.

For those giving time, blood, money, resources, know that your sacrifice shall be honored and rewarded. As you give, so shall you recieve threefold.

And for all of us, let's work to cast this evil back past all of our borders, and confine that evil to those who worked it. As the Witches in the UK cast Hitler's evil back at him, let us cast this evil back upon those who created such evil.

And for those dishonourable cowards who attack and destory innocent lives, who disobey their own Prophet and God, who do not have the courage to face a foe honourable. For those who slink in the shadows like the jackal, who are an infection in the body of humanity, may they be accursed and forgotten. May their actions reap a just and fair award. May the Morrigan rend their actions and words in raven's claws, and may Ma'at cast them down as evil and darkness. May their names be nothing more than a hiss and slur, a foul and bitter taste upon the tonuge. May their acts of murder and terrior reap a fitting an appropriate justice upon them - and may that justice comfort those they killed, and those they harmed.

As I ask and as I work As I pray and as I will, so mote it be.


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