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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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As We Listen To And Watch These Reports Of The Mounting Death... Sep 12th. at 6:45:25 pm UTC

Tezra (Cupertino, California US) Age: 54


As we listen to and watch these reports of the mounting death toll,
let us gather in love to visualize peace, and have faith that the
perpetrators will be found and brought to justice without starting
World War III.

May the Goddess and the God be with us all, and guide us with Their
love.


One Of The Worst Effects Of An Incident Like This, Aside From... Sep 12th. at 6:47:16 pm UTC

Denise (Sayville, New York US) Age: 28 - Email


One of the worst effects of an incident like this, aside from the horrendous loss of life, is the reaction following the immediate horror and desperate grief. As a witch, I am a firm believer in the Rede and practice it everyday. I don't even kill insects inside my own home! I capture them in a glass and put them outside! But an event like this makes me so angry that it is extremely difficult to stick to that belief. I HATE what happened, I HATE the men who perpetrated this horrific act, and I HATE the way what they did has made me feel. I want vengeance so badly I can taste it! I want them all to pay and pay dearly! How do I reconcile what I am feeling right now with my own spiritual belief system?! Mohandes Gandhi said that in order to defeat our enemies we must love them.......but how can we love an enemy that could perform such a completly heinous act?! I always believed in Gandhi's nonviolent principles, but how can I apply them here? I don't think I am capable of "loving" mass murderers of innocent men, women and children who do it in the cause of gaining entry into their warped view of "heaven." Men like that will NEVER see any kind of heaven. I know it sounds trite, but why can't we all just live and let live? Why can't we all just get along? Why is that so difficult? Is it really easier to hate that it is to love? I never thought so. I am so proud of the response shown by every American in this time of crisis. So many people donating their time, their blood, and their money to aid all of the victims of this terrible tragedy. I am proud to be an American Witch, and nothing that any terrorist or any rogue state could do would ever shake my belief in this great country and its promise of freedom for all who live in it. Thank you to those at WitchVox for allowing me the space to vent my feelings about the horror that has so recently occurred. It is greatly appreciated.


With The Recent Tragedies I Decided To Set About Doing Something Productive... Sep 12th. at 6:47:21 pm UTC

Myst Lyrica (Phoniex, Arizona US) Age: 27 - Email


With the recent tragedies I decided to set about doing something productive.
In an attempt to create a network and support group for those lives that have been touched by this directly or indirectly - I created We Want a World.

The Site is dedicated to helping those of us seeking peacful soulutions to the hatred that seems to have taken a hold of our planet. Please come and take a look you can find it at:

http://myamea.tripod.com/WWAW/index.html


I'm Trying To Get Together Pagans In My Area And The Cities... Sep 12th. at 6:48:11 pm UTC

Harlequin (Peoria, Arizona US) Age: 19 - Email


I'm trying to get together Pagans in my area and the cities around it (Peoria, Glendale, Phoenix ext.) to come together for a bake sale. All the money made from the bake sale will go to the people most affected by the terrorist attacks on Tuesday. Please e-mail me for more information.

-Harle- (HarlequinEyes@hotmail.com)


We Were Eye Witnesses, And I Sadly Had Woken At 5am To... Sep 12th. at 6:49:18 pm UTC

jd michaels (new york, New York US) Age: 34


we were eye witnesses, and i sadly had woken at 5am to look at the towers after a dream that they were on fire. the next time i saw them, they were. we prayed in every way for the victims, and have a candle burning in the window that the towers used to be in. please light as many candles as you can...we saw the buildings come down, and whoever was left there needs light after all the dust. thank you. blessed be.


Dear Everyone, I'm Sorry And Saddened To See This Happen In Our... Sep 12th. at 6:59:46 pm UTC

Lisa Carroll (Tampa, Florida US) Age: 34 - Email


Dear everyone,

I'm sorry and saddened to see this happen in our country..especially for the families with loved ones in that awful mess.

I know who's going to be sorrier though...once we find them. This type of behavior can not be tolerated any longer, by us or any other country. The world is just too small for it.

Lady and Lord protect us and comfort us all.

I'm going to be talking to the Morrigan.

Crow


Like Many People, Pagan And Non, I Am Sickened And Saddened By... Sep 12th. at 7:02:33 pm UTC

Patrick McKinnion (San Diego, California US) Age: 35 - Email


Like many people, Pagan and non, I am sickened and saddened by the cowardly actions of September 11th, 2001.

I would like to point out to some of my Pagan brethren, that life does occasionally cause harm. And that the threefold law does say that every action will come back threefold. Sometimes one has to act as an agent of Karma in order to make sure Karma is enacted - which means taking responsibility for that action, and making sure you have a damm good reason for it when you come to Mom at the end of your days.

Asking that those who have done this act be punished for their actions is just and right. Working magic so that their evil be thrown back into their faces is a proper and ethical working, as long as you accept the responsibility for your working - and make sure it harms as little innocent lives as possible.

And remember that the people who have done this act, if they are the suspects people think they are, have violated the words of their Prophet and their own belief, and are therefore oathbroken and outcast from their belief and God. And anyone of Celtic belief or heritage can tell you how accursed an oathbreaker is.

For those left behind, prayers and support and healing is offered and given. For those who have been taken off the wheel by this coward's act, may the Lady and Lord recieve you and comfort you and yours. For you, there shall be a returning.

For those healers, paramedics, EMT's, nurses and doctors labouring to save those from death's door, may you and yours thrive and grow, and know that you shall be rewarded in the Lady and Lord's eyes.

For those rescuers working to recover those still alive, also know that you shall be rewarded for your actions.

For those police and military working to defend this land and it's people, and for those in other free nations doing the same for their people, may you and yours be protected and honoured in your duty.

For those giving time, blood, money, resources, know that your sacrifice shall be honored and rewarded. As you give, so shall you recieve threefold.

And for all of us, let's work to cast this evil back past all of our borders, and confine that evil to those who worked it. As the Witches in the UK cast Hitler's evil back at him, let us cast this evil back upon those who created such evil.

And for those dishonourable cowards who attack and destory innocent lives, who disobey their own Prophet and God, who do not have the courage to face a foe honourable. For those who slink in the shadows like the jackal, who are an infection in the body of humanity, may they be accursed and forgotten. May their actions reap a just and fair award. May the Morrigan rend their actions and words in raven's claws, and may Ma'at cast them down as evil and darkness. May their names be nothing more than a hiss and slur, a foul and bitter taste upon the tonuge. May their acts of murder and terrior reap a fitting an appropriate justice upon them - and may that justice comfort those they killed, and those they harmed.

As I ask and as I work As I pray and as I will, so mote it be.


I Sit Here Reading The Posts... Many Of Reason, Many Others Of... Sep 12th. at 7:04:00 pm UTC

Sky Hawk (Brandon, Florida US) Age: 44


I sit here reading the posts... many of reason, many others of revenge.

I grieve for the useless loss of life... innocent people who had done no wrong, and my heart goes out to the families left behind.

I cannot help but think, though, that the Americans calling for revenge need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. I have heard the question many times today... 'how could someone hate us so much that they would do this horrible thing?'. Look to government military actions throughout the Middle East for the answer. The violence has not stopped in their countries... as you feel now, so must they have felt for a very long time. To them, this is *their* revenge, and as someone wisely pointed out, violence breeds and feeds violence.

We need to stop. We need not to take revenge but to answer the question 'how could someone hate us so much?' and to force the government to stop giving other countries reason to hate us so much. If retaliation takes place, then peace will elude us, and the world needs peace so badly. We need to stop the loss of life, not just in the US, but around the world.

Blessings


September 11, 2001 -- The Nation Is Rocked By Terrorism-- The Twin World... Sep 12th. at 7:08:31 pm UTC

Pheonyx Ashe (Clarksville, Tennessee US) Age: 28 - Email


September 11, 2001 -- The nation is rocked by terrorism-- the Twin World Towers in Manhattan are destroyed by colliding hijacked airliners. The Pentagon - a symbol of our nations military- struck by a hijacked airliner. A great loss of life and innocence this day.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

This day has set forth a dark deep stain upon the hearts of Americans. The nation is facing many dark hours ahead.... the anguish is echoed in the wails of sirens, hearts and souls across the nation. As scenes of destruction feel our eyes and our minds, a tremendous heaviness has settled across the nation.

To sullenly strike forth and bring outstanding fear was the goal... and it has succeeded. The Nation is rampant with question and answers are minimal. Emotions are intense.... that too is the fear echoing forth from this great tragedy. Fear has struck us in the most secure places-- our homes. Our innocence stolen from us.... by horrible images of lost lifes, dreams, and beliefs. Fear is consuming the nation and that needs to be battled in the home, the school, the office, everywhere.

Our best counter action is to not let our fear grip us... to let the world know we unite... that we will not allow this to shake our beliefs in our country and what is has stood for all these centuries. To denounce this fear is essential to prevent the terrorist from ultimately winning, succeeding, and triumphantly gloating that they have shaken the very foundation this country was built on.

A united front is necessary-- for preservation, for perseverance, for the sake of America. Speak of this day for it will shadow our history forever. Lives have been changed as drastically as the New York skyline has been. We will never be the same, nor should we. We must take this time to grow, to change, to climb to height that will make us stronger.

Remember the goal is to strike fear into our hearts... and that cannot be allowed. We can not be driven into our homes and be reclusive. We cannot not hide from this national tragedy. We must rally together... support each other, and accept this tragedy. This scar will run deep upon the hearts and souls of Americans but we must not prevent it from healing.

Accept the tragedy, accept the anger but do not accept the fear. Stand up America, we cannot go silently into the dark. We cannot go silently into the future. We cannot silently let this slip into the past. We are a nation forever changed and we must accept that. It is our obligation to strengthen in such shadows of horror. It is our obligation to arise and be heard that we will not go silently into fear, that this will not still our hearts, passion, or dreams and that we grow stronger.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

I was fortunate... my friends on the NYPD and FDNY are all well... but deeply scarred as is our nation. Accept your anger, but do not let it control you.
May the Gods protect the rescuers, volunteers, families, and friends who are deeply touched by this tragedy. May the Gods guide all who need them. The Universe will provide.

MP&BB
Swift peace to all


Namaste, My Sisters And Brothers:i Am Grieving For This Horrible Situation... Sep 12th. at 7:08:44 pm UTC

Angel of Silence (Mexico City, Mexico) Age: 21


Namaste, my sisters and brothers:

I am grieving for this horrible situation. Believe me. I feel so much pain inside me that it makes me numb, and i dont understand how this things can still happen. So many innocent people died yesterday... the Earth is grieving too for Her children. I felt the force of thousands of people screaming inside my head. It doesnt matter if those people were American or white or black, doesnt matter their age, religion or way of life... the bottom line is that they were human beings, just like you and me, souls just like you and me. But as much as it hurts me this GREAT injustice, I KNOW that if United States reacts in anger and violence, it will only generate more and more violence, and more innocent people will die, and bigotry and hate will only grow and more human beings, animals, and plants will die. Our Mother will suffer. And we cannot let this happen, you cannot let hatred poison your beautiful hearts. VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE WAY. If you react with violence, if you want an eye for an eye, then you are no better that the people who commited this horrible act of evil. If USA goes to war, be assured that more innocent people will die, and they will have to suffer the unspeakable horrors of a war that will destroy our planet, our home... not only will people far away from you will have died but the ones you love will suffer too. Think of your family, think of your children, do you want them to grow in a world like this? Only USA has the power to decide if they want a war of that magnitude, or if they want justice and rational, civilized punishment for terrorism worldwide without having to end with millions of innocent lives.

USA has now the choice to prove all those thing it speaks of: freedom, democracy, peace, brotherhood.

I just hope that all the people who are suffering right now for this tragedy will find comfort in their hearts. I hope that all those people who want revenge will find peace in their souls and clarity in their thoughts. I hope that all the innocent people who died because of this tragedy will find their way to the other side and be free and happy and in peace in the Land of Eternal Youth. I hope that this stops here, i hope there wont be another war, i hope everyone can understand now that hatred only leads to violence and suffering and that the only way to freedom and happines is love and understanding.

I hope that you, your family and your friends will find comfort and peace in your hearts. I hope you all are filled with love and compassion.

May the Goddess and the God fill us with their love and stops us from destroying ourselves.

May the Goddess and the God let us react with wisdom and love and compassion for each other and all that surrounds us.

Infinite blessing for you all

Angel of Silence


I Am Still In Complete Shock. I Cannot Believe That Something As... Sep 12th. at 7:11:31 pm UTC

MoonGlade (Oxford, Ohio US) Age: 18


I am still in complete shock. I cannot believe that something as horrific as this could happen in the country I have lived in and loved since birth. I awoke yesterday morning with a heavy heart because of my own problems and ended the day with an even heavier heart because of the tragedies in NYC and DC, my own problems disregarded. It put everything in perspective for me, my problems aren't really problems...They are petty compared to the complex difficulties that the families and friends in NYC and DC are having now. I mourn the losses that all of the victims families and I believe that there is no one in the US, if not the world, who isn't affect by this in some way. To my generation: Our parents and grandparents remember exactly where they were when JFK was shot, we will always remember where we were when these cowardly actions were played out. Let us all keep both the victims and the survivors in our hearts until this huge wound has healed. BB


I'm Sort Fo Sick At The Moment (i Just Got Over A... Sep 12th. at 7:19:57 pm UTC

She Who Laughs (Forest Grove, Oregon US) Age: 20 - Email


I'm sort fo sick at the moment (I just got over a fever of 102 degrees), so I might not be terribly coherent. But I'd just like to state that the prayers of myself and my circle are going out to all who were killed, injured, and emotionally torn apart by this. And to those who have been bravely assisting in disaster relief, in whatever way they can.

But why, when it's "them" killing "us", it's a terrible tragedy (which it is--don't get me wrong); when "we" do it to "them", it's a tactical advance?

Justice needs to be served here, but it would be wise of us to keep our heads about us. War as definitely a last resort. I'm Catholi-Pagan, and so both the Rede and some of Christ, who said some good things concerning this sort of subject, are running through my mind.

It is my fervent prayer that both sides will be able to come together and end this as nonviolently as possible. Understanding from the Goddess and God guide us all, no matter our creed. Let's reach out our hands to one another, and pray for a successful end to this conflict.

~~She Who Laughs

Post-script--On elfquest.com, there's a very good post called "a terrible day", I think. Makes a definite point.


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