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Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| The Following Is A Copy Of An Email That I Sent Directly... ||Sep 12th. at 7:29:24 pm UTC|
|Magpie (Boulder, Colorado US) ||Age: 38 - Email |
The following is a copy of an email that I sent directly to someone on Witchvox who was struggling with hatred and a desire for vengeance:
I was touched by your post on Witchvox - your struggle to overcome your anger is very courageous. I have to say that I don't feel any anger or hate towards the people who did this, only a profound sadness and the hope that they can be stopped without any further loss of life.
I can't give you a magic formula for not hating - it might be my nature, or the ten years in age I have on you. But try to imagine that since you were a child, you were raised among people whose country was stolen from them; that you were brought up in an environment of constant violence, poverty, hatred, and anger. Maybe there wasn't enough love from your parents to mitigate this. And then, perhaps in an effort to find family, you came under the influence of a man, a fanatic, who showed you caring for the first time, and gave you a target for the hatred you felt. And, lost soul that you were, he indoctrinated you, encultured you, brainwashed you into believing that there was a legitimate target for all your hurt. That the woes of your country were all caused by a nation that had helped steal your people's land, and had provided weapons and money for killing your neighbors, and that the people of this nation *did not care*.
Perhaps you can't love them, or even understand their circumstances fully, but you may be able to pity them, because they have been robbed of their humanity, and their ability to forgive.
"All war represents a failure of diplomacy." - Tony Benn
| I Have Never Seen As Many Butterflies As I Have Yesterday And... ||Sep 12th. at 7:29:33 pm UTC|
|Katja (Springfield, Massachusetts US) ||Age: 20 |
I have never seen as many butterflies as I have yesterday and today.... so so beautiful to contrast such a horrible thing.
Today is a beautiful day. It's sunny, the sky is blue, the grass is green, the trees are leafy.
If life were a piece of literature, it would be miserably cloudy today. But this is real life. And it's physically beautiful. It's strange how such a horrible event happens, and nature doesn't care. The Earth is still turning, the stars are still shining, the wind is still blowing, and WE are still breathing. WE still have this day.
| Members Of New Moon Ny, The Shadowfolk Coven And Teaching Collective, Temple... ||Sep 12th. at 7:45:25 pm UTC|
|Kaitlin Creed (New York, New York US) ||Age: 35 - Email |
Members of New Moon NY, The Shadowfolk Coven and Teaching Collective, Temple of Ara and other magickal folks are calling the NYC area Pagans to come together in this time of crisis as a spiritual community.
We are organizing an ecumenical Pagan service for 6:30pm on Thursday at the Frisbee Hill Site in Central Park. We invite you to bring flowers, candles in glass, photos and other items for a permanent memorial altar.
In addition to providing safe space for meditation and grounding, we will work to raise a protective cone of power over NYC.
Frisbee Hill can be reached via the West 72nd Street entrance to Central Park. Walk thru Strawberry Fields and bear to the right. Frisbee Hill is an open space on the right hand side of the street divider close to the entrance to Bethesda Fountain.
May the Gods protect us all!
| This Is To All Those Who Have Responded To 'she Who Laughs... ||Sep 12th. at 7:47:21 pm UTC|
|v Ward (Macon, Missouri US) ||Age: 41 - Email |
This is to all those who have responded to 'she who laughs', this is not to those who laugh at all, but, to those who, believe, there is only one God, only oone, to save us, this is the one... we must reply to, for answers...to guide us, and our president... whether or not we like him... in many cases, this is not our choice. I choose my words carefully, because, I wish, to reach many. It is not to please, but, to inspire, Love, and Love only, is what Christ said, that we should feel towqards one another... this is MY belief... and so should yours... to allow him to take HIS vengence, only, with us turning it over to him... we will not allow our vengeful feelings to surcome us. Only, then, will Our President be allowed to administer the affects of justice upon those unknown... does he know them????
| I Am Overwhelmed, Terrified, Horrified...and, I Admit, Even Ashamed. I Have... ||Sep 12th. at 7:51:35 pm UTC|
|Lilymoondrop (Los Angeles, California US) ||Age: 27 - Email |
I am overwhelmed, terrified, horrified...and, I admit, even ashamed. I have always considered myself a pacifist but yesterday I found myself caught up in anger and the hatred that so easily spreads from pain and fear. I found myself asking for vengance. I was shocked the violence living in my own heart just as I was shocked at the violence directed at our nation. I don't know what the solution is, but the prospect of War looms like the blackest of storms. I hope we can find another way, but if we cannot, I hope justice is tempered with mercy and compassion. We need to use this passion and anger constructively to honor these deaths rather than simply avenge them. This tragedy should become a rally to heal the world and end the oppression and suffering caused by fundamentalism. Everyone, please visit www.rawa.org to learn about the atrocities the Taliban has inflicted on so many in Afghanistan, especially women. They are without dispute the Nazis of this era, and they should not be allowed to continue their reign of horror. My deepest and greenest love goes out to those who have passed on, and to their loved ones, and to those who are struggling to heal and recover. I have white candles burning for you on the windowsill. Americans are strong and passionate and determined...we can make it through anything when we are united.
| Below Is The Time For A Worldwide Ritual Time. I'm Reposting This... ||Sep 12th. at 7:51:45 pm UTC|
|Magpie (Boulder, Colorado US) ||Age: 38 - Email |
Below is the time for a worldwide ritual time. I'm reposting this so it doesn't get lost. The "today" refers to Wed., Sept. 12. Thanks, Magpie.
*YOU HAVE BLANKET PERMISSION TO FORWARD THIS MESSAGE SWIFTLY AND WIDELY*
People, In addition to everyone's private efforts occuring throughout the day, I am calling for a major coordination of an Act of Magick on behalf of this crisis to take place TONIGHT at Midnight, U.S. Eastern (New York/Washington D.C.)Time, 11p.m. Central time, 10p.m. Mountain Time, 9p.m. Pacific time and 5a.m in Great Britain and Western Europe. All who can please gather in your temples, living rooms, sacred groves and by your nearest power spot to send energy to this situation. If your heart directs you to, please CONTINUE this Act of Magick for Nine Nights - I feel strongly that our country's leadership will direct the country towards wholesale warfare; this Act of Magick will be both healing and prophylactic. The goals as I see it that we should focus on as a bare minimum should be:
* Safety and Healing, both for individuals and our piece of Gaia - and Herself as a whole
* Reinforcement of our personal and national shields
* A STRONG thread of Peace and Calming directed within our own borders as well as towards the Attackers
* A prayer for clarity and equanimity to prevail
* A STRONG thread directed to our country's leaders NOT to consider War as an option and good vibes sent to our people in the military
However your customs, traditions and spirit tell you to combine any or all of these issues (or others you may come up with) and proceed, please do so. The important thing is that we coordinate our energies at the same time and keep the wave going as long as we can - Nine Days is the ancient prescription for such crises.
4) Finally, I would ask those who are into Magickal Workings of any kind NOT TO do any rituals for vengance or attack or any kind of retribution. Our own government will find the perpetrators and take care of them. The sidebar by Isaac is correct, we need to focus our attention on helping those who were the victims FIRST, then on protecting those who will be going into harm's way on this matter. We do NOT need to precipitate any violent action on this issue, not even bringing home the consequences to those who are responsible. There will be time enough for that later. Focus your energies first on HEALING, second on PROTECTION and lastly on vengance.
| Yesterday Started Out As Such A Normal Day. I Woke Up Bright... ||Sep 12th. at 8:01:27 pm UTC|
|Pandora (Orlando, Florida US) ||Age: 16 - Email |
Yesterday started out as such a normal day. I woke up bright and early, was almost late for school , drank my coffee in first period, and expected the day to be as normal as all of my days were. Nothing prepared me for what would happen in that class. Nothing prepared me to have my friend turn around, take his headphones off, and say to me, "A plane just hit the World Trade Center". Nothing prepared me to walk into second period and watch helplessly as a second plane plunged into the other tower of the WTC. Nothing prepared me to see the Pentagon with a gaping hole in it. How do you wake up and prepare yourself to see passenger planes smash into buildings? To see people leap to their deaths because they were pertrified of dying slowly? To see masses of people running through the streets of New York City-the same busy and lovely streets I walked only four months ago?
Now, a day later, I am still shocked to my core. I cannot get the images I have seen in the past 24 hours out of my head-maybe they will never fully go away. I feel sadness for those who are dead, those innocents whose last moments of earth may have been filled with panic and terror. I feel sorrow for my country, that we have been so viciously attacked. I feel-and I will not apologize for these very un-PC feelings-extremely angry. I want retribution. I want vengeance. I want justice to be served, and I want the people who are responsible for these attacks and those who harbor them to be completely and utterly destroyed.
My prayers are for the victims and their families, and for our leaders, of course...but they are also for strength in battle. I pray to the Gods that They will give us the strength to crush these terrorists and those who harbor them. Remember, the Mother may be a loving and gentle goddess, but She is still a mother-and like any mother, She is like a lioness ready to pounce on those who harm Her children. I pray that She, and all of the Gods, and our ancestors, and all other spirits guides us in this battle and make justice be served.
Until then, Gods bless America.
| I Live In North Bergen, Nj And I Had Witness This Catastrophe... ||Sep 12th. at 8:11:43 pm UTC|
|Elisa Feliciano-Nunez (North Bergen, New Jersey US) ||Age: 37 - Email |
I Live in North Bergen, NJ and I had witness this catastrophe from Kennedy Boulevard yesterday. I had seen the fire and the enormous hole on the tower North as well as the smoke and fire on top ifm the tower. Also, i had seen the towers coolapsed. My sister-in-law works across from the Hudson river in Jersey City, NJ and she was terrorized. There was pandemonium in the streets and they wouldn't let her as well as her fellow employees leave till about 12:00pm. Words can never express the horror of this cowardly act by people who are blind with hate and full of ignorance because they are jealous of our beautiful country. In South Paterson, NJ, where there is a section called "Little Egypt" were outside last night "celebrating" their so-called victory until a riot broke out and there were numerous policemen trying to break the riots up. I feel that anyone who is not an American and is living in this country but they hate this country should get the hell out! I have a friend name Christopher Tenzycki who works there and I am trying to call him, but there are no answers and I am worried about him. My heartfelt condolences goes out to all the victims as well as the servicemen, firemen, as well as policemen who had put their lives on the line to save others. America is one of the richest country
in the world and I am proud to be an American! God bless this country and God bless us all!!!!
| Show Solidarity Thursday, The 13th Wear Your Red, White And Blue.i... ||Sep 12th. at 8:11:47 pm UTC|
|Lynne-Renee (rural STL, Missouri US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
Thursday, the 13th wear your Red, White and Blue.
I heard this on the local radio that there's a nation-wide campaign to show support for victims, rescueworkers and ALL those affected (all of us) by Terrorismm.
Thanks you-please pass this on to your buddies quickly. I would've posted sooner had I known.
Love and Light
| This Tragedy.... The Magnitude Is Astonishing. I Can See The Fire And... ||Sep 12th. at 8:14:43 pm UTC|
|Kaja (New York City, New York US) ||Age: 26 - Email |
This tragedy.... the magnitude is astonishing. I can see the fire and smoke outside my window... the ambulances and fire trucks screaming past my apartment.The horror and pain have seeped into my soul and it is overwelming. I have been feeling a bit helpless, and wanted to do something... so my fiance and I did a healing ritual. I included this prayer that I would like to share.
Crone mother, wise woman, you have given us all sorts of herbs, barks, flowers and roots that can heal us.
Please grant us the knowlege and wisdom to best use your energies to heal this world especially the ones who have suffered because of the terrorist attacks.
Dear Father, healing physician, please send forth your healing energies and put an end to the suffering of the worlds sick especially the ones who have suffered because of the terrorist attacks.
Thank you both for your endless compassion
So Mote It Be.
| I'm Not A Christian, But The Only Words That Express How I... ||Sep 12th. at 8:18:10 pm UTC|
|Cliff Hamrick (Austin, Texas US) ||Age: 31 |
I'm not a Christian, but the only words that express how I feel is this:
I want to see some Old Testament retribution.
I want to learn who lead these attacks.
I want them hunted down.
I want them killed.
I want their allies killed.
I want their friends killed.
I want their families killed.
I want their homelands reduced to ashes.
I want the ground sowed with salt.
I want every terrorist in the world to see what they will bring upon themselves if they ever attack anyone ever again.
It is time to show these terrorists what true terror is.
| Just A Thought From France Where I Live.i'd Like To Tell... ||Sep 12th. at 8:18:50 pm UTC|
|Morgane Lafey (Echirolles) ||Age: 25 - Email |
Just a thought from France where i live.
I'd like to tell you that we are absolutely shocked.
Even if everything is happening far from our soil, what i felt watching people on TV really mooved me.
But most of all i am scared by the "95%" americans wanting military counterattack (according to the medias)...
Your pagan thoughts are reassuring however other people may not share your pacific views.
All this is not a question of pride i think. We konw you are strong and that your security is almost perfect. But unhappily perfection does not exist in our world, nobody could have managed to avoid these terrible events. This does not question US strength and power. Everything is a problem of diplomacy and can be resolved by it, making good choices.
Nevertheless Georges Bush has not been elected to be a pacifist.
You must know that a lot of people here does not share his political choices at all and would like him not to riposte.
Our generation hasn't lived for a war in our country (as you hasn't) and i hope we never will.
I am aware of talking to people who think the way i am (otherwise how could we be pagan ?), so it may be useless...
But i Had to tell you the way i feel...
May the love of the Goddess be with you and help you in these awful moments.
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