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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Am Voting Libertarian. And Frankly I Must Say I Am Surprised... Aug 7th. at 4:51:36 pm UTC

Blue Hawk (Lake Villa, Illinois US) Age: 20 - Email


I am voting Libertarian.

And frankly I must say I am surprised more Pagans are not Libertarian. It is the only political party that I have heard of that wants to make government smaller not bigger. It is the only political party that will give you back you freedom by reducing government, getting the government out of you life.

As Harry Browne says (http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/): (begin quote)

I Want You to Be Free

I am running for President because I want you to be free . . .

Free to live your life as you think it should be lived, not as Al Gore or George W. Bush thinks you should live it;

Free to raise your children by your values, not those of some far-off bureaucrat who sees your children as foot soldiers in a plan to create a Brave New World;

Free to keep every dollar you earn - and spend it, save it, give it away as you think best, not as the politicians will allow after they've spent what they want.

George W. Bush, Al Gore, Pat Buchanan, and Ralph Nader are arguing over one basic issue: which one is best qualified to run your life? Which one knows best what kind of school your child should attend? Which one knows how your health-insurance company should treat you? Which one knows best how to organize the economy, determine how much of your own money you should be allowed to keep, and decide what is a proper way for you to live?

I am running because I don't believe they are capable of running your life. I don't believe I am capable of running your life. I believe only you know best how to run your life.

(end quote)

Check out the Libertarian website (http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/) if you really want to vote for someone who will protect your freedoms as laid down by the Constitution, including the freedom to worship as you please.

Those of you who want to vote for a third party candidate but feel like it is "throwing away your vote", isn't it throwing away your vote to vote for someone you do not believe should be president? In my opinion you are better off not voting then voting for someone you do not believe in.

Blessed Be all,


In My Heart I Believe In The Constitution One Of The Greatest... Aug 7th. at 4:59:58 pm UTC

Strong Fox (Des Plaines, Illinois US) Age: 28 - Email


In my heart I believe in the constitution one of the greatest documents ever written. The founding fathers displayed wisdom far beyond their era. As such, I find that the only political party that truly has the same respect for freedom and the constitution is the Libertarian party. I believe that voting and involvement for pagans is a great priority, and I shall vote, as I always have.

I know that pagans throughout this nation are fighting the good fight, and winning at it. With the courts and the constitution on our side we will continue to gain acceptance and freedom. The first amendment gains strength every day, but it will be an eternal battle to keep those who would persecute us from turning the tide.

I also know that other parts of the constitution that are loosing the battle and grow weaker every day. Most notably the second amendment. That is our last resort to safeguard all the others. When it falls so too shall all the others. For I know that if the tide should turn against us and a return to the burning times comes about, I still have one last means of defense.

In keeping with all that is going on. I will vote for the libertarian party whenever I am able, except for president. 8 years of Clintler and Gore have resulted in them managing to keep there thieving hands in my wallet and federal storm troopers killing, maiming and terrifying innocent people. So I wish I could vote for Browne, but I must vote for Bush. I know he will not safeguard the first amendment, we will have the courts to do that. I also know that he will work to help restore the second amendment back to its rightful place.

Sorry for the long rant


I've Never Voted For A Republican In My Life.they Seem Very Intolerant... Aug 7th. at 5:24:56 pm UTC

Rain BrightStar (Moore, Oklahoma US) Age: 30 - Email


I've never voted for a Republican in my life.They seem very intolerant and the so-called Christian Right scares the heck out of me.I don't always agree with the Democrats, but they seem like the best, sometimes only, way to stop the Republicans.I'm pro-choice, for affirmative action until women and minorities are "equal".I feel the Democrats have moved too far to the right also.I consider myself left of liberal.I think pagans should be involved in politics, it's the only way to keep our message out there.I also see a Bush/Cheney ticket as very hostile to the environment.Did ya know Cheney once voted as a Congressman NOT to free Nelson Mandela.I am registered to vote and will vote for Al Gore!I do like what the Greens are saying, but see the Dems as the only hope to beat Bush

Peace and Love


Which Political Platform Or Candidate Are You Leaning Towards? - -dunno, All Of... Aug 7th. at 5:44:02 pm UTC

Siobhan (Tucson, Arizona US) Age: 26 - Email


Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? -

-dunno, all of the canadates have at least one good point but Nader is too communistic, Gore is too dishonest, Bush is too conservative, and Buchannan is to psycho. I would have voted for Storm Bear Williams but he isn't running anymore.

Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans?-

yes just as much as it is to any minority so we don't get stepped on by the majority, but I think everyone should be at least a little involved in politics tho.

Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

yes, yes, and I don't know yet.


I've Been Registered Republican All Along, In Order To Get A Primary... Aug 7th. at 6:03:23 pm UTC

Seeker (Santa Barbara, California US) Age: 51


I've been registered Republican all along, in order to get a primary ballot, until the rules were changed. I'm too lazy to change my voter registration, although the 'Pubs aren't necessarily all my cup of tea. I have voted in every election, national, state and local, since I was old enough to vote (1970)and before I realized I am a pagan/wiccan. I would've voted for McCain if he hadn't dropped out. Now that Bush has adult supervision (i.e. a VP candidate who can spell 'foreign policy') I guess I'll go with them again, unless I vote Green party as a protest against the status quo. Sometimes all the info isn't in until just before I go to the polls.... I do agree with Ralph Nader's statement that the 2 major parties have become just xerox copies of each other. And of course the biggest threat to our country, our government and our way of life is the blatant disregard for the Constitution demonstrated by the politicians in general. The (apparent) expectation that one's private business -- religion -- has to be made public in order to run for office, and will get one defeated if that religion isn't acceptable to the mainstream, really bothers me. This is probably the primary reason I'm leaning away from Bush as a candidate, and the Republicans as a party, who speaks for me.

A level of political involvement is important to pagans as well as to all of us who share this country: if we don't get and stay involved it won't exist any more. What I DON'T agree with are people who use violence and civil unrest to make a point. It isn't right to destroy other people's property to try to get your own point of view across: you make a point, all right, but probably not the one you intended. The result is that others think your group is a bunch of thugs, when that wasn't your purpose at the beginning. I was especially perturbed by those protesting the World Trade Organization by rioting: granted that capitalism taken to its 19th century extreme benefits only those at the top, still in these times it is certainly possible to PEACEFULLY influence those at the top to use the positive energies inherent in capitalism to help those less fortunate. [Insert platitudes of your choice here: I am not a deep nor an analytical thinker, just giving my opinion.] However -- there has not been a famine in a democratically governed country, and this is what we should be working towards, promoting the movement of peoples toward democracy, not towards promoting the plague of violence under the guise of social protest.

Whew! Thanks for letting me sound off!


As Of Now I Am Leaning Towards Al Gore. He Doesn't Mix... Aug 7th. at 6:24:32 pm UTC

LadyMoonDragen (Cheektowaga, NY, New York US) Age: 20 - Email


As of now I am leaning towards Al Gore. He doesn't mix his religion with his campaining. Thats just one reason. No I dont think involvement is important. I think religion all together should be left out of the goverment. I am registered to vote. I WILL be voting, if I can be the one person that keeps George Bush from winning, by goddess I will vote. G. Bush stands against EVERYTHING I stand for.


I Had Been Mildly Leaning Toward The Democratic Ticket, Mostly As A... Aug 7th. at 6:34:16 pm UTC

Rick Johnson (Yorktown, Virginia US) Age: 0 - Email


I had been mildly leaning toward the Democratic ticket, mostly as a vote AGAINST the Republicans, but with Gore's announcement today of Joe Lieberman as his running mate, I no longer can justify voting for the Democrats. The Bush/Cheney and Gore/Liberman "choices" are, in my view, a choice between a conservative Republican ticket and a liberal Republican ticket. To the nether regions with them both I say. I'm going to vote either Green or Libertarian (but likely Green). I mean, with the available choices, why NOT vote my conscience?


I Believe That Political Involvement Is Important For Every American. As A... Aug 7th. at 6:37:11 pm UTC

Connor Willowsidhe (Arlington, Texas US) Age: 25


I believe that political involvement is important for every american. As a veteran, I find it disheartening to witness the naievity of the masses when it comes to American politics and history. I am sickened by the left in its attempt to regulate everything under the sun and to tax the working class family out of existence. As a pagan, I am concerned about the insensitivity expressed by the right toward minority faiths.

Ideally, I would vote libertarian, but the strategy this time around is to win.

I will be voting Republican this November. I am one of many conservative pagans that would rather see Bush than Gore in office come January. ( Despite what other posts have mentioned, there are many conservative pagans about).

The courts will protect our first amendment rights, and the republicans will lower our taxes and end social promotions in our schools. The Bush-Cheney ticket has hope of restoring integrity and consistency to the executive branch, even if it is not as friendly to our religious thoughts as we would like.


Voting, To Me, Isn't So Much 'making My Voice Heard' As It... Aug 7th. at 6:44:31 pm UTC

Aldora (Boise, Idaho US) Age: 17


Voting, to me, isn't so much 'making my voice heard' as it is a way of affirming my right to complain.

My parents (conservative and Republican and *gasp* open-minded) have given me responsibilty over my life for as long as I can remember. I had a social security number at 2, a checking account at 12, and a credit card at 13. I pay my own bills. I have educated myself, with my parents' help, since the third grade. Yet I am not considered an adult by the administrators of my college; I have to drive forty-five miles from my home to get my mother to sign a simple slip of paper authorizing a meal plan change. I may edit the Honors Student Association Newsletter, I may be on the Dean's list of the College of Engineering, but I am not trusted to change my meal plan on a scholarship -I- went out and dragged home. And I am not allowed to complain about my government through the only means that counts - by saying "I voted."

I am a Libertarian. I am not registered, but I will be on my birthday. I am also a home-schooled brat, a role-player, a woman, and an Idahoan. Tipper Gore is at the top of my List of People Not To Vote For. I like Laura Bush. Her husband ain't so great, but - oh well. The lesser of the two Weevils, so to speak. There's also the education issue. (Colin Powell was right. ;-) Gore, to me, stands for the NEA, and the NEA stands for the poor quality of education in the United States. In the end, I'll probably vote for Bush ... even if her hubby IS the name on the ticket, she's the First Lady, and that's all that counts.


I'm Afraid That A Vote For Any Party Other Than Reps Or... Aug 7th. at 6:56:19 pm UTC

Nighteyes (Hopkinsville, Kentucky US) Age: 26 - Email


I'm afraid that a vote for any party other than Reps or Dems is a wasted vote. You may have voted your concious but you nonetheless have helped the winner get into office by not voting for his real competitor. I've read several posts that claim that the courts will protect our religious rights, however, when George W. gets to appoint all of those lovely Conservative Supreme Court Justices, the highest court in the land won't be able to help us. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, and expect to see the ACLU comming up with a lot fewer victories against religious bigotry. I don't want to vote for Gore, but will have to as a vote against Bush. George W. is a dangerous man to our country long term, justices don't step down from office very often and the ones he chooses will be making our laws for quite a long time!


Any Political Platform That Endorses Personal Freedom, Including Freedom Of And Freedom... Aug 7th. at 8:19:03 pm UTC

Mary Wilson (Cartersville, Georgia US) Age: 35 - Email


Any political platform that endorses personal freedom, including freedom of and freedom from others religions, but is fiscally conservative is a hard animal to find. I'm not sure if any of the political candidates can offer that. However, as an American and a woman, I feel it is not merely a right to vote but a priveledge. Not all countries provide this priveledge to choose one's leaders. So as a registered voter since age 18 (am now 35), I will vote.

And who to vote for as none fit my standard for who would do the country most good. The green and reform parties do not have a chance (especially with Buchanan in the driver's seat for the reform--ha!--party) of beating the party who would have us all Christian. So a vote for Gore/Lieberman is a vote against the radical right (and a replay of Reganomics).


The American Political Machine Is A Complete Sham. Our Government Is Owned... Aug 7th. at 9:15:32 pm UTC

Lee (Woodbridge, Virginia US) Age: 31 - Email


The American political machine is a complete sham. Our government is owned by Corporate Amerika, Big Business, and the rich. The system is not reformable, therefore we must work outside of the system... indeed, we must destroy the system. I am an Anarchist, I see all government as corrupt and evil. We must organize, unite, and work cooperatively. No War but the Class War! Needless to say, I will not vote-- voting is worthless. Real change comes when we actively engage in creating solutions.

Anarchy & Peace,


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