The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.
Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
||This Page Viewed: 11,287,772
Vox Q Stats|
Times Viewed: 32,767
Lurker/Post Ratio: 537 to 1
Question of the Week: 19 - 12/18/2000
What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?
Okay, the United States has a new President-Elect. And that's all that we here at TWV are gonna say about that! What do YOU think about our latest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?
| Reponses: There are 61 responses posted to this question.
|| Reverse Sort
| See Ya', I'm Moving To Europe! But Seriously. America Is A Great... ||Dec 22nd. at 11:33:15 pm UTC|
|simona elda (duluth, Minnesota US) ||Age: 30 |
see ya', i'm moving to europe!
but seriously. america is a great country. at least in theory. our european ancestors came over here because of the idealism america conjured up for them, and i for one will be damned if i am going to let their dreams die simply because i do not care for our president.
i personally voted libertarian because i see it as the only party who truly practices keeping the government out of people's personal lives. this is something that neither of the two major political parties seem incapable of doing anymore. both democrats *and* republicans (tho the latter won't admit it) are for *more* government intruding on us and infringing upon what made this country great in the first place--freedom! and i'm not talking about the narrow-minded freedom of the puritans. i'm talking about our deist forebears who gave us true freedom.
i think the green party has a good platform, but in my opinion, none of this can be accomplished until we first re-teach the government what their true role is--that they are *our* servants, *not* the other way around! the libertarians would clean up washington, d.c., in my opinion, and *then* the green party could move ahead with their reforms. in the meanwhile, i will continue to clean up the environment the best way i know how--through the fork.
that's it for my rant for today.
| I Think A Lot Of People Are Missing The Point Here. What... ||Dec 23rd. at 12:37:49 am UTC|
|Wayne Adams (Lexington, Kentucky US) ||Age: 45 - Email |
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. What Gee Dubya himself will or won't do, or what he thinks (if he thinks) about any subject at all, is largely irrelevant. The president does not personally pass any laws, or make any judicial decisions. What he DOES do, however, and what we all, right-wing, left-wing, or in the middle, should be concerned about, is appoint supreme court justices and other key figures who DO make those decisions. This president will probably be appointing several justices and, largely thanks to the supreme court being packed with conservative justices during the Reagan-Bush administrations, we've already lost more civil liberties over the past twenty years than at any time since Abraham Lincoln suspended the Consitution during the Civil War. In the long run, those losses effect all of us. If anyone thinks that the supreme court decisions weakening Miranda and upholding no-knock warrantless searches apply only to REAL CRIMINALS, they need to wake up and smell the tear gas.
| I Don't Agree That We Have An Elected President. As Many Times... ||Dec 23rd. at 2:59:44 am UTC|
|J (Charleston, West Virginia US) ||Age: 45 - Email |
I don't agree that we have an elected president. As many times as it has been said, THEY NEVER FINISHED COUNTING THE VOTES! And I am really scared for the country in the next 4 years. I hope we survive the stupidity and greed of George Bush.
| O.k. You Wanted To Know How We Feel About Twv And The... ||Dec 23rd. at 9:55:44 am UTC|
|Steve Winn (w.Babylon, New York US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
O.K. You wanted to know how we feel about TWV and the Political Pool.
I think it is a great step forward. And I am very happy to see the witches voice (no pun intended) all over the U.S. is being heard in the Political arena. However I do have a problem. My problem is we want to be heard as a group and TWV asked all witches and Pagans to et out and vote. ( and that is great) And I know you at TWV can NOT support one candidate over the other. (I don't relay get why) But I am sure that we could have made more of an impact if we could agree on a candidate to support. After all the Jews and Christen let every one know who they support.I know that you can't say one way or the other for legal reasons.(That is a shame because TWV is very powerful)know don't get me wrong. I am not saying that we shouldn't make up our own mind but maybe we could have more of an arena on TWV to debate and maybe agree on few reasons why one candidate is better for us then the other candidates.
I think that this is very important to unite the Witches and Pagans to make a huge impacted.
| I Guess I Should Duck For The Pelting I Am Going To... ||Dec 23rd. at 11:31:10 am UTC|
|KarmicBear (Pinellas Park, Florida US) ||Age: 34 - Email |
I guess I should duck for the pelting I am going to take over this, but I am thankful Al Gore did not win. G W Bush may be a right ring conservative, but at least you know where he stands...he doesn't lie to you about his opinions. And that's all they are, OPINIONS. Yes, it is true his opinions will have a bearing on whom he appoints to key positions in our government, but they will not be the only issues coming to bear. And I think a great deal of folks are giving our President a lot more power than he actually has. We have a virtual split in the law making branches of our Republic, which I personally beleive will make for some interesting debate and some important laws to be passed in the next few years.
The Republican party is for less government intervention in our lives, so why would I be worried if Bush does not consider my religion a religion? For G W to try and sponsor laws that would limit the freedom of religious expression, he would be going against something he himself has stated many times that he is against.....and I don't believe he will do that. And by blasting him for his religious beleifs, are we all not doing the same thing we so dislike? If we expect respect, we should treat our leaders with respect. If we expect tolerance of our beliefs we must be tolerant of others beliefs.
A lot of issues have been raised about Bush's integrity, but I think his integrity is intact. Yes, he admitted he has made some mistakes in his younger days, but he is beyond that now. And who in this world has lived a perfect life, without any "skeletons"? If you can find that person, we could elect them President in 2004.
I may be wrong, I have been known to be so before. But I hold to my opinion that Bush is the best man to lead our Country at this time. Only time and his deeds will tell.
| I Think That It Is A Blessing That The Us Can Settle... ||Dec 23rd. at 12:04:05 pm UTC|
|Larken (Midpines, California US) ||Age: 27 |
I think that it is a blessing that the US can settle such an issue in a peaceful manner (albeit a litigious one). I can think of too many countries where there would have been riots, a coup, or worse.
On the other hand, I think that it is awful suspicious the family interest that existed in Florida - the Bush's had total control over the whole process. And I dread seeing those family interests control our country for the next four years. Already Dubya has turned a blind eye to the oil industry polluters in Texas, he wants to turn back the clock as far as women's and religious rights go, and he stands to inherit his dad's appointees, as well as appoint more.
But I have faith that the US will come through it okay - it is only a four year term, and we have channels to voice our opinions and to keep the executive branch in check.
| My First Response Is "uuuugghh!". I Do Not Believe That Bush Is... ||Dec 23rd. at 2:33:33 pm UTC|
|Vivienne Phoenix (Arlington, Virginia US) ||Age: 25 |
My first response is "Uuuugghh!". I do not believe that Bush is the rightful winner of the election and I do not consider him to be my president. I think that if all the votes had been counted correctly (if the ballot mix-up hadn't happened) Gore would be the winner. I think it's very upsetting that the candidate who won the popular vote by so many votes was not elected. I think that Bush did everything in his power to create obstacles and stalling devices using the judicial system until it was too late because he knew that he didn't really win. I think that he is inexperienced and corrupt, and beyond that, I don't agree with his policies. But, I believe that regardless of who won this election, both candidates are big money, corporate representatives.
WE NEED A STRONG THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE!
I know that change must sometimes be gradual, but I feel that America needs a president who will protect the environment, and protect our freedom of choice. Whether that choice is to bear children, be in a gay marriage, own a gun, or practice Witchcraft. I don't have any solid answers because I know how complicated politics is and that money does make things happen- but I wish we could get a positive president who's willing to take risks and can foresee his impact on the world. A president with integrity and a strong sense of spiritual (not religious)obligation to himself and society. Gore would've been better than Bush. But, perhaps Bush will mess up so badly we'll be ready for something entirely new! There's a purpose to everything!
| The So-called Nostradamus Prophecy (with Regards To The Village Idiot Being Lifted... ||Dec 23rd. at 4:03:55 pm UTC|
|ChaosMoth (Mountain View, California US) ||Age: 16 - Email |
The so-called Nostradamus prophecy (with regards to the village idiot being lifted to rule, or somesuch) is an urban legend; Nostradamus never said anysuch. (See http://www.snopes.com/info/whatsnew.htm for the debunking.)
That doesn't make it any less true. Sigh.
| Well, It Happened, And I Guess There Is Nothing We Can Do... ||Dec 24th. at 2:13:08 pm UTC|
|Emerald (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) ||Age: 19 |
Well, it happened, and I guess there is nothing we can do about it for the moment. But in this country when we feel upset about something like this we cast votes. In a couple years we can put Democrats in the majority in the House and Senate, and both are so even now that Dubya can't push through his positions very easily. And if you really believe that Al Gore won the election because he won the popular vote, don't forget it a few years from now, when George Jr. goes up for reelection. And to the people of my state, Florida, the heart of the beast so to speak, I say remember what happened here when Jeb goes for reelection as Governor, and elect a Democrat as we've done so many times before (our state elects few Republican Governors). And demand that a remedy be granted to the disproportion in the Florida State House and Senate, because the population of our state is more than half liberal and yet our State Representatives are stacked unequally in Conservative Districts, giving less Representation to the heavier populations in, particularly, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties, which by themselves equal nearly the population of the rest of our state. If we are to solve the flaws in this election, we must send a clear message that it is not to be tolerated, with our votes on every election day, cast for the people were truly believe in and can truly trust.
| I Think It Is A Great Day. Gwb Is Honest, A Truely... ||Dec 24th. at 3:41:15 pm UTC|
|j (athens, Texas US) ||Age: 36 |
I think it is a great day. GWB is honest, a truely good person. Something this country has been with out for the last 8 years. He may not be the perfect President , but he is a much better choice than that proffessional politition, al gore. Al Gore doesn't really care about you or what you want, all he cares about is power and how he can keep it. Another thing to think about, The Democratic party gets it's power by taking away your rights. Do you want to lose your right to freedom of religon? I don't. I hope someday to get a president that is truly qualified for the job and a good person but until then I'll be happy with President Bush.
| Well, Hhhmmm..... I'll Start By Saying That I Didn't Like Either Candidate... ||Dec 24th. at 5:02:32 pm UTC|
|Jay (Amarillo, Texas US) ||Age: 26 |
Well, hhhmmm..... I'll start by saying that I didn't like either candidate in the major parties, and that's why I voted Nadar. Now, that being said, now that I really look at what both stood for during the election in hind-sight. I can can now say I'd rather have Dubya there now than Gore. As others have stated, you know where Dubya stands on the issues that were brought up during the election, but Gore really can't be trusted due to his inability to take a stand on his parties issues. Also, Bush may be a supporter of, and supported by the x-tian right, but he also respects the rights of the individual. These are just some observations. I just hopes he does a better job at the National economy than he did down here in Texas.
| I'm Gearing Up To Buy A Horse For Travel And A Large... ||Dec 24th. at 7:09:55 pm UTC|
|Renee' (Cape Coral, Florida US) ||Age: 35 |
I'm gearing up to buy a horse for travel and a large closet to hide in! Look for petroleum prices to soar (major Bush family income), and the Wiccan community to become prosecuted (or at least no longer recognized). Alas, 4 years of this? I thought we were entering a NEW millenium.....................
I WILL be practicing positive work to try and assist in the transition and endurance of the term.
Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2015 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.
Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh G5.
Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections (including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wrenâ€™s Nest, etc.) are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witchesâ€™ Voice, Inc. TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.
Sponsorship: Visit the Witches' Voice Sponsor Page for info on how you
can help support this Community Resource. Donations ARE Tax Deductible.
The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.
Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.