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What Would You Like to See at The Voice?

By most measurements, TWV is a very successful site. YET, it is always in a constant state of change. This week we ask "What if YOU Ran the Witches' Voice - What would you change? In fact, feel free to post ANY suggestions that you may have related to this web site, its look, feel, design, content or tone... We have literally hundreds of ideas but would love to hear yours. Why? Because TWV has been built on your suggestions since day one... It's time to ask again! Kindly, keep your suggestions constructive.

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I Would Drop The Black Background. I Used To Use It Alot... Aug 29th. at 7:55:55 pm EDT

Lori Dake (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 27 - Email

I would drop the black background. I used to use it alot myself, so I'm not saying it don't look cool, but if every page were either white or beige/tan (better on the eyes) using dark ariel fonts, it would make *every* page a printer-friendly page :)

I would also add a community section where people can join in if they wanted to, but not make a login mandatory (you can read stuff, but you have to log in to comment). That way people could comment on Wren's Nest articles, send out community messages, etc. Also, where people post their ads: perhaps a hyperlink to a thumbnail picture - but have an on/off button for people who dont want to wait for pics to download. You wouldn't have to hog up space: just have people use a hyperlink to the image. Then it's their dime, not yours ;)

Another thing that you may want to consider is making the navigation just a little bit easier. I know I'm quite guilty of it too, but you just have so much good stuff, that it takes a few minutes to find everything!

Finally, I just wanted to say that I think you've done a helluva job here. While some people think it's a little too fluffy at times, I think it kinda has to be. I've found out for myself that pleasing everyone is impossible, so it's best to go with the majority, while maintaining a serious side... on the side :)

Greetings Fritz And Wren,if I Had My Druthers Absolutely Nothing Would... Aug 29th. at 10:54:45 pm EDT

Scatha (Oregon, Wisconsin US) Age: 47 - Email

Greetings Fritz and Wren, If I had my druthers absolutely nothing would be changed!I surf in here at least once a day and I've yet to be disappointed with anything.You both do a superb job in keeping up an excellent site!Bright Blessings, Scatha.P.S.I am proud to be one of the sponsors for my state:)

Well, I Have To Agree With The Majority That The Site Is... Aug 29th. at 11:24:37 pm EDT

Secular Pagan (Minneapolis, Minnesota US) Age: 37 - Email

Well, I have to agree with the majority that the site is already very well done, so any suggestions I have are in the nature of "tweaks" and aesthetic preferences, little details that I personally would like to see.

First, let me join the chorus of "get rid of the black background, " but with a caveat: I'd like to see the black text on white background become the standard style for TEXT-based pages (articles, essays, news, etc., including the weekly update and the splash page. Much, much easier on the eyes. However, I do like the aesthetic effect of a black background, and I would suggest using that for "special" pages, especially if they are primarily graphic-based. I love the suggestion of a photo archive (probably rotating, to keep the number of "active" photos reasonably small) and think that the beautiful, often colorful photos you feature on the home page each week look terrific set against black.

Though I wouldn't want you to feel you're "hiding" or "compromising" in any way, the suggestion from the person concerned about surfing at work without having the screen scream "WITCH!!! PAGAN!!! WICCAWICCAWICCA!!!" might be worth considering. I am fortunate to have a boss who probably couldn't care less if I read Pagan stuff, as long as the work's getting done, but I know that many people are not so fortunate. Then again, if I worked in a Pagan/Witch-unfriendly place like that, I probably wouldn't dare surf WitchVox at work. ;-) (People do realize that many workplaces track the URLs you surf, right? Caveat surfer.)

Navigation: I did figure it out, after a little time snooping around the site, but it probably could be made clearer. Have it a little more prominent on the main page, or a prominent "Site Map" link leading to such a page? The footer links on every page are terrific, but if there's a main place that says "here's where you can view the structure of this site" I haven't noticed it. That could be my fault, not yours, of course. ;-)

Oh, yeah...and about those "fluffy bunny" accusations... Hey, I'm a right mushy ol' granola-munching tree-hugger myself, so maybe it's just me, but frankly I *LOVE* the positive, life-affirming, nature-affirming tone of The Witches Voice. Living in the here and now with honed awareness is, to me, the heart of what it means to be Pagan. Wren, your recent essays about your early-morning communions with the animals near your home were some of the most spiritually-uplifting things I've ever read! Please keep up the good work, there. I also strongly appreciate the diversity and tolerance and even-keeled tone I find here, and the overall sense of courtesy and respect that I pick up from what you both write.

Oh -- one teeny thing I'd like to change or add: In the "Traditions" section, one requirement is that a tradition has to be "established" in order to qualify. Well, some of us Pagan types tend to run, not walk, from anything resembling "organized" religion, yet we follow a path that, supposing it was an original creation, proves to be independently developed/pursued by others. I would like to see a space made for sharing such "individual" or "non-organized" paths among Pagans, Wiccans, etc. Do you have room for a Very Eclectic nook in your "traditions" section?

And to anyone who wishes this site were a sort of how-to primer on witchcraft/magick, my answer would be the one commonly given in tales to young questors: No one can give you the answer; you have to discover it yourself.

That's my spin. Your mileage may vary. Thanks for listening.

While The Photos Look Absolutely Beautiful On Black Backgrounds, I Would Change... Aug 30th. at 1:25:11 am EDT

Swiftpaw (Portland, Oregon US) Age: 16 - Email

While the photos look absolutely beautiful on black backgrounds, I would change as much of the site as possible over to the uniform template of this page, with the colors different for the different sections. It looks great on every page you've done it on, but there are a few more that could be changed over as well.

Navigation would be easier, the main page perhaps a little bit more condensed. The drop down menus are fantastic and very easy to use, but sometimes they're hard to find, and/or the links on the side of the page can lead into a tangled mess. I find myself typing your main address to get back to the main page.

However, in terms of content I can't complain about getting lost because the range of information is incredible. I do wish there was more of an open forum for Essay submissions, as there was in the beginning years. However, I do understand if you're swamped already with work, and I'm certainly not saying to accept every single essay. But if it's well written with a clear purpose and intent, a real *essay* relating to pagan teen issues (or pagan adult issues) instead of an off-the-cuff rant, then it deserves to be put up.

Other than that, I would keep it the same. Wren, your essay every week are fabulous and only help me to get myself outside more to experience life for myself. Keep those up, they are a true inspiration. I love how there is a perfect combination of personal issues/experiences and the business-like efficiency and design of the pages.

It's Time Wren And Fritz That You Moved Completely From The Limelight... Aug 30th. at 1:38:35 am EDT

Williow (Saint Petersburg, Florida US) Age: 27

It's time Wren and Fritz that you moved completely from the limelight, to much is coming from your thought stream and your hand picked people. No more Wren rants and Fritz rants give that space to other teen and adult wiccians and other pagans. Let this be done by people you do not choose but by others who are willing to deal peacefully. To much is resting on you, for whatever reason you could not continue the ship would sink. You Fritz and Wren have created a Hollywood occult image for yourselves because of the popular Homepage. This has resulted in most people not wanting to challange you and given you thoughts of "everything is pretty much ok". 1. Info. on how to start teen clubs in school, details. Students and adults to play drums, harps, flute for classmates. 2. Set up a healing service for Friday and Saturday nights and Holidays. 3. Give link on sidebar for message board. And many other things...........D

I Think Your Site Is Excellent! One Of The Best I've Seen... Aug 30th. at 2:02:50 am EDT

Big John (South Amboy, New Jersey US) Age: 40

I think your site is excellent! One of the best I've seen on the web. The articles are well written and researched, the writing is fresh, and care is taken to cover all points of view. Perhaps my favorite aspect is the lack of commercial advertising. A very welcome change these days.

As far as changes go, I agree with some of the other posters that red on a black background is hard on the eyes. I have a lot of experience with computers and I've found that bright green or amber works best with a black background. I also prefer san serif typefaces like Arial. I also find them easier on the eyes.

A photo gallery is also a good idea. Certainly include the weekly cover photos, but there is also room for other event photos, and perhaps even some Pagan art. Even a sound gallery could be added with music clips from events, etc.

Whatever changes you make can only add to a wonderful site. Keep up the good work!

Merry Meet All- The First Thing That I Would Do Is Send... Aug 30th. at 10:55:24 am EDT

Cory (Panama City, Florida US) Age: 43 - Email

Merry Meet All-

The first thing that I would do is send the ENTIRE current staff on a long, well-deserved vacation; they work their butts off {insert image of staff sitting around in spa robes...LOL!}.

Here are some other ideas that I've had:

Printable $$$-off coupons for boxes of tissues--can't tell you how many times I've sat at my computer and wept, both tears of joy and tears of sorrow.

Easier-on-the-eyes text...sorry, it's dramatic as it is, but after a while, my eyes feel like they're going to bleed if I stay too long.

Navigation...I get lost in there sometimes, too.

Addys and SPAM...our local group had their addresses harvested from here (as well as Pagan Profiles) and sent unwanted spam...wish there was something that could be done about this, but as it stands now, we just have to wait for that big Karmic wheel to roll around.

Other than these items, I think that the entire "big picture" is great! Thanks to all for the excellent job, hard work, and many, many hours that you put into this site...bless you all!!!

Just A Couple Of Things: 1. White (or Light) Backgrounds With Dark... Aug 30th. at 3:38:47 pm EDT

JF (Austin, Texas US) Age: 25

Just a couple of things:

1. White (or light) backgrounds with dark text. Like many, I find dark backgrounds pretty jarring to read. I sometimes have to take a break while reading since my eyes begin to ache. I don't mind if the front splash page is black, but I'd prefer the rest to be lighter.

2. More group pictures - I love the pictures of people that are posted on the main splash page. Would it be possible to start archiving those somewhere (and include ones that didn't make the splash page) so people could go look at them?

3. Navigation is sometimes tricky - and I'm not sure how to make it cleaner, but I think it could be done. Maybe have a site map that is linked to from every page?

4. More Neopagan perspectives besides Wicca and Witchcraft. I realize this is partially because you most often get Wiccan or Witch perspectives from readers and contributors. Also, though, part of this is the site name. I think it tends to make some Neopagans, who may *not* practice Witchcraft as part of their religion, feel like this site isn't really "theirs".

Obviously, the name won't change, but a larger effort to represent the other religions would be appreciated. Most particularly, on the "Neopagan Newbie" page which is heavily Wiccan/Witch oriented, and often lumps people into Wiccan, Witch, or "other" categories. Perhaps be a bit more specific about the "other" categories? I'd love to see FAQs for some of the specific religions other Neopaganism - I know, for example, that FAQs on Asatru and Druidry can be pretty easily found. Depending on whether you consider Reconstructionist religions to be Neopagans, there are a good number of FAQs about them, too. At the very least, include a prominent link to the "Trad Profiles..." from the Neopagan basics page.

I guess that's it for now. Like some others, I don't particularly care about the "Cats" page, but I don't think that removing it would magically produce more articles. :)

Hope that helps,

I Agree With Many Others...the Dark Backgrounds Are Sometimes Difficult For... Aug 30th. at 4:56:36 pm EDT

juniper (rochester, New York US) Age: 45 - Email

I agree with many others...the dark backgrounds are sometimes difficult for me to read.

Otherwise...this is one of the best sites I visit. I surf in at least once a day and I especially enjoy the "Wren's Nest" for it's Pagan perspective on the news.

As a reference library clerk I often recommend your site to patrons looking for more information on paganism and witchcraft. After many years of dealing with the frustration of missing books, it's a blessing to have reliable available information right here.

Keep up the good work, your efforts are well appreciated!

To Be Honest, Nothing. I Might Not Always Agree With Viewpoints Expressed... Aug 30th. at 8:57:04 pm EDT

John (Pietermaritzburg, South Africa) Age: 27 - Email

To be honest, nothing. I might not always agree with viewpoints expressed at witchvox but i don't see anything wrong with the way it is run. I suppose the best i could say is keep adding on more info and improving the service.

Hi Folks : First Off You Guys Are Already Doing Such A Great... Aug 30th. at 9:01:27 pm EDT

David Crocker (Dawsonville, Georgia US) Age: 43 - Email

Hi folks :
First off you guys are already doing such a great job It is really hard to think of changes that would actually be good ones. I would like to see mabee a photo album comprising of all the cover shots you`ve had. Mabee getting a regular spot on PBS would be nice y`know kinda like "The Fritz and Wren News Hour" or should that be Wren and Fritz hmmm.... anyway you get the idea . well those are my thoughts on the matter .
Bye now and keep up the Great work

Well... First Off More Truth In What The Two Say. Wren States... Aug 31st. at 12:09:43 am EDT

Tracy (White Plains, New York US) Age: 22

Well... First off more truth in what the two say. Wren states in the feature section for Aug.27- Sept.3rd "Wren was a very happy witch" And then some where else cannot find it but no its true, Wren says something like I am not a witch. In Homepage 7/16/2001 it is to much of a photo gallery of Wren. That serves no purpose but to serve up personality and offers nothing for witchcraft. In the feature section for Aug.27- Sept.3rd under Secrets Of Inner Circle click on click on here. Elizabeth Barrette talks about how to set up a pagan group, not enough meat for a toy doll to feed on. You would need hundreds of ideas in detail about how to do it like study guides, legal aspects etc. Provide a link at side or bottom for online wicca course short and long version. Just because you can find one searching people aren't doing that. In the sea of links they never open up door. Will you see when Isis plays, and rages through the maze.

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