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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Live In North Bergen, Nj And I Had Witness This Catastrophe... Sep 12th. at 8:11:43 pm UTC

Elisa Feliciano-Nunez (North Bergen, New Jersey US) Age: 37 - Email


I Live in North Bergen, NJ and I had witness this catastrophe from Kennedy Boulevard yesterday. I had seen the fire and the enormous hole on the tower North as well as the smoke and fire on top ifm the tower. Also, i had seen the towers coolapsed. My sister-in-law works across from the Hudson river in Jersey City, NJ and she was terrorized. There was pandemonium in the streets and they wouldn't let her as well as her fellow employees leave till about 12:00pm. Words can never express the horror of this cowardly act by people who are blind with hate and full of ignorance because they are jealous of our beautiful country. In South Paterson, NJ, where there is a section called "Little Egypt" were outside last night "celebrating" their so-called victory until a riot broke out and there were numerous policemen trying to break the riots up. I feel that anyone who is not an American and is living in this country but they hate this country should get the hell out! I have a friend name Christopher Tenzycki who works there and I am trying to call him, but there are no answers and I am worried about him. My heartfelt condolences goes out to all the victims as well as the servicemen, firemen, as well as policemen who had put their lives on the line to save others. America is one of the richest country
in the world and I am proud to be an American! God bless this country and God bless us all!!!!


Show Solidarity Thursday, The 13th Wear Your Red, White And Blue.i... Sep 12th. at 8:11:47 pm UTC

Lynne-Renee (rural STL, Missouri US) Age: 29 - Email


SHOW SOLIDARITY

Thursday, the 13th wear your Red, White and Blue.

I heard this on the local radio that there's a nation-wide campaign to show support for victims, rescueworkers and ALL those affected (all of us) by Terrorismm.

Thanks you-please pass this on to your buddies quickly. I would've posted sooner had I known.

Love and Light
Lunae


This Tragedy.... The Magnitude Is Astonishing. I Can See The Fire And... Sep 12th. at 8:14:43 pm UTC

Kaja (New York City, New York US) Age: 26 - Email


This tragedy.... the magnitude is astonishing. I can see the fire and smoke outside my window... the ambulances and fire trucks screaming past my apartment.The horror and pain have seeped into my soul and it is overwelming. I have been feeling a bit helpless, and wanted to do something... so my fiance and I did a healing ritual. I included this prayer that I would like to share.

Crone mother, wise woman, you have given us all sorts of herbs, barks, flowers and roots that can heal us.
Please grant us the knowlege and wisdom to best use your energies to heal this world especially the ones who have suffered because of the terrorist attacks.

Dear Father, healing physician, please send forth your healing energies and put an end to the suffering of the worlds sick especially the ones who have suffered because of the terrorist attacks.

Thank you both for your endless compassion

So Mote It Be.


I'm Not A Christian, But The Only Words That Express How I... Sep 12th. at 8:18:10 pm UTC

Cliff Hamrick (Austin, Texas US) Age: 31


I'm not a Christian, but the only words that express how I feel is this:

I want to see some Old Testament retribution.
I want to learn who lead these attacks.
I want them hunted down.
I want them killed.
I want their allies killed.
I want their friends killed.
I want their families killed.
I want their homelands reduced to ashes.
I want the ground sowed with salt.
I want every terrorist in the world to see what they will bring upon themselves if they ever attack anyone ever again.

It is time to show these terrorists what true terror is.


Just A Thought From France Where I Live.i'd Like To Tell... Sep 12th. at 8:18:50 pm UTC

Morgane Lafey (Echirolles) Age: 25 - Email


Just a thought from France where i live.
I'd like to tell you that we are absolutely shocked.
Even if everything is happening far from our soil, what i felt watching people on TV really mooved me.
But most of all i am scared by the "95%" americans wanting military counterattack (according to the medias)...
Your pagan thoughts are reassuring however other people may not share your pacific views.
All this is not a question of pride i think. We konw you are strong and that your security is almost perfect. But unhappily perfection does not exist in our world, nobody could have managed to avoid these terrible events. This does not question US strength and power. Everything is a problem of diplomacy and can be resolved by it, making good choices.
Nevertheless Georges Bush has not been elected to be a pacifist.
You must know that a lot of people here does not share his political choices at all and would like him not to riposte.
Our generation hasn't lived for a war in our country (as you hasn't) and i hope we never will.
I am aware of talking to people who think the way i am (otherwise how could we be pagan ?), so it may be useless...
But i Had to tell you the way i feel...
May the love of the Goddess be with you and help you in these awful moments.


The Tragedy...the Scope Of Devastation Is Almost Overwhelming. My Best Friend... Sep 12th. at 8:29:58 pm UTC

MarchHare (Fairfield, Ohio US) Age: 36 - Email


The tragedy...the scope of devastation is almost overwhelming. My best friend, (non Pagan)'s husband, a die hard skeptic called her terrified during the events on Tuesday. On the previous Monday evening while tallying the coins in the arcade complex he manages the calculator he used, which had never given him trouble before, kept freezing and flashing 911...911...911...911. After this happened 4 times he decided the calculator was defective and tallied the remainder by pad and paper. After someone on TV mentioned the date Tuesday in connection with the disaster he panicked and called. He has not been able to shake the feeling that someone was trying to tell him something now and is no longer a skeptic.

I am having a hard time watching these events unfold...but on the day that this happened a c0-worker's first baby (a girl) was born....so even in great sorrow I see great joy reborn.

Goddess Bless America....Goddess keep us all!


Even Through The Numbness That Engulfed Me On Tuesday And The Grief... Sep 12th. at 8:31:07 pm UTC

Gwydion Graywolf (Indianapolis, Indiana US) Age: 31


Even through the numbness that engulfed me on Tuesday and the grief that reading the posts here finally unlocked and allowed to vent, I have seen a major flaw in the perception of these terrible acts. The news media and many politicians keep calling these terrorist attacks an act of war. They are NOT! The terrorist acts of Tuesday, Sept. 11th were nothing more than CRIMINAL acts of mass murder. To call them acts of war is to rank these criminals with those legitimate soldiers and true warriors of the world and thus denigrates those who dedicate their strength to the cause of defense and protection. Anyone connected to these attrocities should be treated like the criminals that they are and be captured, tried and imprisoned for those crimes. (Preferably in a New York area prison. After a few days in the general population, they'll wish they were dead.)In any case, I believe the Lord and Lady will bring the cosmic scales into balance once again.

The Wheel still turns and the shock of these tragedies has brought home to me the sheer preciousness of life via the example of how quickly it can be taken. Most of my life has been lived with the confidence of the belief that there will always be tomorrow. Today the numbness of shock has passed and the grief and rage has lessened with my giving vent to my emotions. (Not an easy thing for an American male raised to believe in the value of being stoic and not giving vent to emotions, especially grief.) I am left with a feeling of restlessness. When I'm finished typing this post, I'll give vent to that restlessness to power the changes I've long desired for my life but have been constantly putting off for another day.

Lastly, I would like to offer my advise for the days ahead. All of us need to work even more to temper our intuition and sensitivity to danger as such sensitivity will help to keep one out of harm's way. These past few days, I've heard many stories of people who listened to that inner voice and thus escaped danger. Then we need to draw on the confidence that such sensitivity can bring and leave behind unnecessary fear. If we cower in fear in the wake of this tragedy then the bastards win. By all means, grieve as you need but don't let fear lock you away from the joy of life. Show the terrorists that we will not be ruled by fear. Laugh in their faces, and, to paraphrase Monty Python, clear your nasal passages at them and fart in their general direction.

Live, love, work magicks to strengthen the Light and trust that as long as the Wheel still turns the Lord and Lady will see that scales are balanced in the end.

Light, Love and Bright Blessings to all!


Hail To My Fellow Wiccan, Pagan, & Witches: In Honor Of The Victims... Sep 12th. at 8:49:20 pm UTC

Elisa F. Nunez B.K.A. Gypsy Moon (North Bergen, New Jersey US) Age: 37 - Email


Hail to my fellow Wiccan, Pagan, & Witches:
In honor of the victims of the World Trade Center disaster, everyone will be putting American flags in front of our houses as well as our cars in support of our country, for the victims as well as our falling heroes. Please pass this on to families and friends. Thank you and God Bless America!


This Is One Of Those Things That Is The Hardest To Talk... Sep 12th. at 8:49:58 pm UTC

Cooroo (Kihei, Hawaii US) Age: 15 - Email


This is one of those things that is the hardest to talk about. I still can't believe it actually happened, although it did yesterday. I stayed up all night, till midnight at least, watching CNN for more information, especially on the World Trade Center. Most likely they will not read it, but I'd like to send out prayers to these people:

Jeremy Glick, for his heroic act on board the hi-jacked aircraft, bound for the White House, that crashed in Pennsylvania. My prayers are with him on his way to the Summerland.

Hadassah and Misi Perez: My dear Goddessmother, I know you live in NYC but I don't know where. I hope to God and Goddess that you are alright and that you have lived through this...My blessings to you.

Max: Kaepa would want me to pray for you. I don't know where in NY you are but my blessings and prayers are with you this day.

All the people on the aircrafts; in the World Trade Center; The Pentagon; the firefighters and police men; any other killed in this terrible incident: I pray to the Lord and Lady that you have made it to the Summerland, and that your families are safe. It was hate that killed you and it was unjust, evil and despicable. You will be avenged.

Everyone else affected by this incident: I pray that you recieve the strength to get through this. It is a tough time (to say the least) for everyone, and I send you prayers for strength and courage. Mrs. Glick, I send prayers for you and your daughter. Your husband was a good man.

And finally and surprisingly, the terrorists that started it all: I pray that someday you will find redemption, and be cleansed of the evil that pollutes your soul. May the Lord and Lady have mercy on you.

My opinions on this are so myriad that I cannot possibly explain them all. However, I need to say these few things.

The missile defense system that The President is now pushing to build would not have helped yesterday at all. There is no point in making more instuments of war, what we need the most right now is an instument of peace.

Bombing the catfood out of Afghanistan will not help either. We would just be sinking to the level of the terrorists.

I'm not sure what happened, exactly (I don't get TV), but yes we do have to make a distinction between terrorists and those that harbor them. IF the person haboring had known, then yes of course they can be charged with abetting a criminal. However, if they had not known (say if someone had taken flight lessons without stating their purposes except for "wanting to be a pilot"), then those people cannot be charged.

I don't think that most people my age really fully realize the magnitude of what has just happened. We laugh, make jokes because it's our way of coping. But if you can cope and realize it at the same time, than it's okay. However, making jokes and not realizing what happened could be a problem. I don't know if you've heard Marianne Williamson, but she said that, with respect to problems such as this, there are two ends of the spectrum: denying, or dwelling. Finding a middle ground is the best: Denying something isn't healthy; neither is dwelling. I agree with her...If my peers could just get to that point (hey, it's hard for me), I think things would be a lot better.

On a final note, today or tomorrow I'm going to head over to the banks and Red Cross and see if I can donate some money and blood to support the people in NYC and DC.

Thanks for creating a place for me to share my opinions.


To All The People Who Lost Their Lives Because Of This Selfish... Sep 12th. at 8:52:47 pm UTC

Tala StarFire (North Bay, Ontario CA) Age: 19 - Email


To all the people who lost their lives because of this selfish act, and to all the people that are greiving their loss, I give my deepest sympathies. To everyone affected, we will get thru this. Like an earlier message said, we need to focus on healing, protection and justice. We can help this matter if we put our own energies into it, not just magickal, but physical if possible. Give blood, help out with whatever you can. Actually, I have a request. I can't give blood due to anemia, if there is someone out there that can, please do. If you can help to save anothers life, do all you can.
Goddess protect us.
Goddess bless us.
Goddess be with us always.


I Pray For The People Still Trapped In The Rubble. May The... Sep 12th. at 9:03:11 pm UTC

Celania Starfire (Mooresville, North Carolina US) Age: 19 - Email


I pray for the people still trapped in the rubble. May the light of the God and Goddess lead them to safety. Although I cannot identify with those who have lost loved ones, I have come close. My grandmother lives at the north end of Manhattan island.


I Feel That The People Involved In Hijacking The Jets Must Have... Sep 12th. at 9:04:10 pm UTC

Naomi j (Adelaide, South Australia AU) Age: 18


i feel that the people involved in hijacking the jets must have known what they were doing.


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