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Question of the Week: 76 - 9/8/2002

America 911: One Year Later. What's Changed? Are we Safer?

September 11th, 2001 set in motion various changes in the way that people view the world. From personal tragedies to governmental policies to global military actions, many stories have emerged from that one fateful day. Has YOUR life changed since 9/11/01? How has the world changed? Are you feeling more or less secure these days? Do you think that 9/11 is too much the focus for current events/ policies or are we really living in a different world today? Will the 'war on terror' ever be over? Will you do something to commemorate this day or do you just wish that all of the hype would go away?

You can review the original posts from last year's 9/11 Perspectives at: Responses to 9/11

 Reponses:   There are 103 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


Which God? Sep 10th. at 8:38:42 pm EDT

Kathleen (Succasunna, NJ) Age: 47 - Email


I've been having a very tough time this past week. I've had laryngitis since Friday, and I'm sure it's due to 9/11.

Sometimes I'm scared. Not of another attack, but of what other people, in the name of God, are trying to take away from me. I fear that I will be unable to follow my spiritual path in peace. I don't know if I'm "pagan," but I do know that spiritual reality is a lot more than I was ever taught. But the biggest thing is that I can no longer believe in this God that the three peoples of the book (as Muslims refer to Jews, Christians, and themselves) seem to believe in. He has too much blood on his hands. Sometimes I think that there are two Gods in the Bible, one who would appear to you in person and sit around the fire with you, and another who hides in burning bushes and dark, angry clouds. And for that I feel sad, for I have always felt God somehow present in my life--maybe I've always believed in a different God than the one in the Bible.

On the other hand, I feel that I'm living through a very important time in human history. There's a big change coming in how we see ourselves and our world. What we have to do is not despair. I think in the future people will wonder how we ever lived the way we did.

Go forward in love and peace--Kathleen


Love Or Fear? Sep 10th. at 9:52:14 pm EDT

Sunwind Serpent (Dortmund, Germany) Age: 28 - Email


Since I am born and raised in Germany I certainly have a different view of 9/11. What still fascinates me is that huge wave of empathy with the United States that emerged here in Europe and all around the world and connected our hearts in a totally new and unique way. The events from 9/11, though terrible and utterly sad, opened all of our hearts - something a lot of people have not allowed themselves to do that on their own. Maybe it had to happen. Maybe it was time to look at the pain that is hidden deep inside of us. It certainly was a day that asked us a very important question. Will we react with love or with fear? Will we allow the fear to turn us into terrorists ourselves, or will we embrace our pain with love for life, our world and all of humanity? For me 9/11 was a turning point. I realized that I will not continue sending out fear instead of love. Okay, that´s a lot more work. So what? Let us all trust a little more into Creation/ the Goddess/ however you call her/ him/ it.


Compassion Sep 10th. at 10:12:29 pm EDT

Denise (Pennsylvania) Age: 32 - Email


I can't believe some of what I have read here...on the day before the anniversary of 9-11 I refuse to join in the bickering and the blame...yes, I have my own thoughts but this should be a time of compassion and remebrance...compassion for those who lost someone dear to them...remembrance of those who are gone...yes, many things have changed and some have remained the same...it has changed me in many ways...
The one change that is prevalent in my thoughts at the moment is that I have learned that I have the compassion and ability to cry for those I never even knew...
Although, I do not need to be reminded and I will never forget, I will not turn off the tv and ignore the replaying of the tragedy...to show my respect for such an anniversary I will watch, and I will cry...those that lost loved ones cannot simply turn the tv off and forget...this is one of my memorials to those that are gone and to those that cared for them...


Where I'm At Sep 10th. at 10:54:51 pm EDT

terri (oswego, ny) Age: 40 - Email


Tomorrow is the day. One year. Seems like it only happened yesterday. I am still afraid. I am afraid for my country and its people because of the uncertainty of what is yet to come. I am afraid for myself because predjudice and distrust have grown in my heart like I never knew they could....predjudice for a people I can never understand and distrust of our government that seems to have let us down yet again. A great sadness has enveloped me for the last 365 days of my life. I didnt know anyone that was killed that day but and yet I knew them all. I feel like kicking out every immigrant in this country and closing the gates forever. But then I would be throwing out myself as well and there is no place else I really want to be. And, I am tired of the war games our government seems to love playing. As a wiccan I should hold all life sacred and yet I cant help feeling like we should just nuke the hell out of every one of the Middle Eastern countries that we are playing these war games with. I am not a politically minded person and I dont understand all I probably should about all this. But I understand what bullshit is and I am tired of hearing it all. I feel like we are dancing a ballet when we should be bombing the hell out of everything in sight. So, I can now officially call myself a hypocrit because, even though I want to feel the right thing and do the right thing, I am angry and frightened and cant make up my mind which way to turn. The melancholy lives on inside me and I have no idea what will make it go away. Maybe it never will. Maybe there is nothing to fix the stupor we are still stumbling around in. Maybe time is our best friend here. I dont have the answers. All I have are the residues of the saddest day in the history of my life and the unanswered questions of a nation that continues to mourn its losses.


Surreal Times Sep 10th. at 11:08:18 pm EDT

Amy Viazanko (Maryland) Age: 31 - Email


My life seems to be in a state of limbo since 9/11. I don't feel safe and secure, and my faith in humanity (when in some respects it should have maybe been restored) has been shattered. I admit that I am an overly sensitive person, but I am just unable to concieve that we as human beings have not learned from our history.

We are clearly still barbarians, and that has proven to be a dangerous mix with an age that is so technologically advanced. On the same token, I am more appreciative of my loved ones and try my best to live in the moment and seize the day. It is a constant inner struggle that I realize may stay with me for the rest of my life, and it is all thanks to 9/11.

I don't know whether that is good or bad, thus the "Surreality" of the issue. I will just go on with my little life and try to spread the best Karma possible while at the same time try and see the good in my fellow human beings.


Understanding Our Religious Differences.... Sep 10th. at 11:22:42 pm EDT

Danceswitsacredlandscape (Maidstone, Sask, Canada) Age: 35 - Email


Ignorance Will Be Our Undoing

My journey has taken me a very long time. Without getting into too much detail, I found myself searching in all the wrong places. I had so hoped that someone could come up to me and say "Hey, here it is!"...LOL But that was not to be the case.

It took me many years and to this day, I would not change a thing. The journey has made me who I am today.

I accept the many different belief systems and I can stand here today and tell you that our differences make us all unique and we should embrace our many differences; counting them as blessings not hindrances. I also see that there is not one religion/faith/path that is above any other and that not one religion/faith/path deserves any more respect or recognition than any other. None of us has the right to judge anyone for their belief system.

What is evil? To me, evil is a harmful thought or action. We are all capable of both harm and good. The balance exists in us all. Too much good can be harmful and harm can be good. Many of us sit back with closed minds and judge those with different belief systems as being evil.

What saddens me greatly, is how many of us feel the need to fight and kill over our belief systems.

To me, our Gods are One. The Goddess and God. Masculine and Feminine. Every living form has both aspects of Goddess and God. We are all connected in that we are One. Now some of us attach more to one parent than the other. So I can understand how some attach to one aspect than the other. We choose to honor our Gods or God in our own ways and there is nothing wrong with that. No matter what names we refer to them as or how we choose to worship.

It is how I see it and how I am able to understand, accept and respect the many differences in us all, including Atheists. We are the future generations of the past, in which we have not learned from. My concern is with future generations of the present. In which we so desperately need to learn our lessons before we end up destroying us all.


Brightest Blessings,
Danceswitsacredlandscape


Quixotic Sep 10th. at 11:57:16 pm EDT

Iggy (Sioux City, Iowa) Age: 18 - Email


I can't use that word anymore. I was looking up it's meaning when I heard. It's silly, but it's my protection mechanism.
I'm still numb. I cry when I see the pictures, but it's not the cathartic cry I need. I still can't wrap my mind around what happened. I'm torn between a morbid desire to see every last grisly detail and to ignore and forget the entire incident. Neither is healthy, and neither is possible. I'm waiting for the day when I feel strong enough to look at that day and accept what it means to me.


Living The Changes Sep 11th. at 12:30:28 am EDT

Night's Child (Greenwood, NS Canada) Age: 28 - Email


I currently serve in the Canadian Military, and have felt the change in many ways. The day of the attack, I felt non-existant. Everything was surrealistic, my mind could not grasp what happened, would not accept the images I was seeing. I sat in shock at work watching the small TV with one channel, at home I remained in shock as I watched the news that night and the following nights trying to understand why anyone could do such an act. Trying to understand and see the othersides point, and for the first time in my life I couldn't. I could only see the needless loss of life, and I cried as I cry now reliving the event as I write. As a result I served overseas in support of the "War on Terrorism", doing what I felt was necessary to see to the protect of life. The protection of all life even that of those who would see me harm. I truly believe everyone has a right to pratice their own belief and a right to life, but never at the cost of anothers right or of their life. To extinguish a flame out of fear it will consume you, is to succumb to your fears. The flames of other people should be celebrated and welcomed, that their light and heat my illuminate and warm the world around us. I truly wish that religons, regardless of which, could see within their own beliefs and writing the strength of faith and compassion to accept others with out fear or reprisal. No one should live in fear of attack for their belief, but no one should let their beliefs attack another. Maybe its a cheesy comparison, but I believe in the Vulcan (yes Star Trek) concept of IDIC. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Our world has definitely changed, our eyes are open, for some, perhaps for the first time. A change for better or worse, that remains up to us. The world is awake to life and its surrounding, do we let it close its eyes again? Or do we go on awake, aware, and atuned to life.


Well Here Goes Sep 11th. at 12:48:37 am EDT

fairywm (WA. U.S.A) Age: 35 - Email


i am sitting here watching about that day. but not the reaccuring news but a show about how the communities in other countries came together to help the passengers on all the downed planes all over the world. did we thank them? did we know? i for one didn't know about it till this day. am i thankful you bet your ass. so to all those who helped those passengers I FOR ONE THANK YOU!!!

i for one have wondered why the pagan community has not tried to creat a sheild spell around the USA. well i guess it would be hard to get everyone permission. just a thought. how has it change for me. believe it or not it changed my veiw on the men i pick a lovers and boyfriend. being what my sister politely calls and "as***le maganet" i have finally picked a guy who is a good guy. i have told my children more about the pagan religion, and the christian religion. i hear the conspiricy theories but i hear them from both sides. and i think that as witches we should be able to uncover the truth. i don't know about you all but i for one believe in magic and i can think of no better way to help my country then to find the people who are responsible and make them pay one way or another. but that is my opinion take it for what you will i know i will be sending energy out to unmask those responsible. if you want to then all the better. tomorrow seems a good time to smart. Brightest Blessing, till Merry Meet again.


The Rose Colored Glasses Are Off Sep 11th. at 12:52:42 am EDT

Tristan (Anaheim, CA) Age: 20 - Email


So it's here now, the 1st anniversity of one of the greatest attrocities in our country. September 11th is a day I shall never forget, it stands out in my mind every day since it's happened. I lost probably one of the most important people in my life that day, my mentor. He helped to inspire me, taught me the joy that I know now in being pagan, and to be proud of it. That its not just a religious choice, but also a way of life. I still remember him freshly in my mind every time I see his daughter. I know that she'll have a tough time growing up without her daddy thanks to some madmans plan to slaughter countless innocent. However I don't want her to grow up like that, having to live in fear, so I'll tell her about her dad. How great of a man he was, how much he meant to the people around him. It scares me though, looking at our government too, knowing that she's growing up in a society that is loosing so many of its private and personal freedoms. So I have to turn and ask myself, how does it feel to look at our country without the rose colored glasses? To know that we live in a society that's trying to strip us of basic human rights in the name of security and the war on terrorism. My mentor and my father tried to help me believe in that system. I hope that one day that it finally works and that congress and the president, the people who say that they are trying to do what's best in interest of the country, take off their "Rose Colored Glasses" and see what they've done to the people living in their own country. I love the United States, I love the state I was born and grew up in, but I don't want to have to fear what I lose because of one madman's hatred of our wonderful country. God and Goddess, Please watch over us.


It's Still Home, Even If I Grew Up In California. Sep 11th. at 1:06:26 am EDT

Brown Elf (So. Cal.) Age: 28 - Email


I don't want to forget what happened to my birth city, but I don't need to relive the experience for an entire day on TV on 9/11.

What was I doing? I was beginning to wake up and get dressed to take my husband to work. This usually entailed turning on the TV to catch the weather and traffic news. Only, they weren't reporting anything. There was this picture that I didn't readily comprehend in my sleepy state -- a skyscraper, no two. My memory was flipping to find a recognizable image. The twin towers. I didnt' realize at first that the smoke was from the hit of the first plane. I thought maybe there was simply a fire in the building. Then the news captions started to fill me in...

None of it truly struck until I saw the second plane hit. My first reaction was, "I thought they couldn't show that on TV!" Then I was overcome with horrible grief at the fact that I just witnessed an entire plane load of people and potentially others in the building pass on...

I was not surprised that it was a terrorist attack. It seemed overdue. As many have stated, there are thousands who live in this kind of fear on a daily basis. We're all human, so why is it so special that for once someone has focused their attention on us?

I don't think things have radically changed as many would expect, but then most change is a gradual thing. Much like the wheel of the year... Only I'm not yet sure if the change has truly been for the better in light of recent foreign policy events...

My heart, thoughts, and prayers lie with the friends and family of those who perished in the WTC attack. Thanksgivings to the Father and Mother for sparing my own family -- we had two who were in the buildings and surrounding complex during the attack.

As cynical as some of my thoughts may seem, I urge all who read this to focus on peace and love this day. Let us keep our eyes toward the future, memories in our heart, and the lessons learning at the forefront of our wisdom.

In Light, love, and peace,
Brown Elf


Today... Sep 11th. at 2:29:19 am EDT

Jennifer (Florida) Age: 26 - Email


May those souls who died on this day never be forgotten. May the lessons we learn never be forgotten. May we choose to love, respect, and tolerate those who are different from us. "I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart" -Anne Frank


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