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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

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First Let Me Say The Humanity Of This Tragic Chaos Is Almost... Sep 13th. at 2:24:39 pm UTC

Aradia Ravensign (Coral Springs, Florida US) Age: 23 - Email


First let me say the humanity of this tragic chaos is almost to much to bare. When you see two buildings fall, you are in awe and shock. When you see the pentagon destruction, your are horrified for the nation. When you see people leaping from the floors, holding hands, strangers bleeding in the streets, dead bodies lying on the ground, screams of terror ringing in the air, children crying for their parents, wifeÕs crying for their husbands, brothers and sisters of mine, of all of us, crying out in one voice, WHY! Those are the things that make us all cry for strangers, brothers and sister that suffer thru this terrible pain.

Let us remember and give us the courage to not return to our barbarism and serve the same cruelty shown to us. Let us remember that we are horrified because we live in a society that considers ourselves the Òcivilized free worldÓ and how could these things happen here? We CAN NOT bomb other countries where it may be possible to kill other brothers and sisters of ours, in this family of our human race. No matter how much we are angry, in pain, or terrified, we must remember what we stand for even when these enemies face us. Let us remember ÒThe land of the free and the home of the braveÓ and Òwith liberty and justice for ALL.Ó

May the Goddess Bless and protect all of you and your families.


I Have Been Talking And Writing And Typing About This Since Yesterday... Sep 13th. at 2:36:42 pm UTC

Willow Polson (Groveland, California US) Age: 35 - Email


I have been talking and writing and typing about this since yesterday... the day before I couldn't... glued to the television, both unable to look away and hungry for more details. About the tragedy. About the collapse and the burning. About who may have done this. About the ramifications for the country and other nations as well. But I still don't know quite what to say.

I haven't read the responses of others here yet, but I'm sure they will express the cavernous sickness and sorrow we all feel as well as the anger toward who may have done this. I echo those feelings as well, especially as I work with many deities -- Kwan Yin, Lakshmi and Kali, Sekhmet, Bast, Het Heret and Auset. The compassion and the rage... I see both sides so well as a Gemini and follower of Ma'at. But that is not why I'm writing.

10 or 15 years ago I felt something... a dark grey cloud on the horizon. I told no one of this feeling... "It's just me" I thought. Then the image solidified into a tattered grey cloak stretching across the sky, smoke and chaos and destruction underneath in its wake. Within a few months I started hearing others talk about this feeling that something was coming... a Great Change. I tentatively asked what they saw, and they saw a dark cloud on the horizon, stretching across the sky...

Over the years the feeling has grown. Flowed and ebbed, but still there in the back of my consciousness. Other feelings have come to me, converged, and joined the ominous grey tattered cloak. Its time has come.

Someone on an email list I'm on said that we are at the Crossroads. Hecate is holding her lamp aloft, lighting the way but not guiding us to our final decision. That is up to us. But which way is the right way? We can see the paths stretching off into the lightless distance, but we cannot know until we arrive at the next Crossroads when things along the path have made it clear whether we have chosen rightly or wrongly. Perhaps there is no wrong way or right way. The Web of Life is so intricate... how will we find our way past the Great Tangle? Who and what will still be standing when it's over?


My First Post Was Short, So Shall This One Be. I Am... Sep 13th. at 2:42:14 pm UTC

Eric Weiss (Nashua, New Hampshire US) Age: 48 - Email


My first post was short, so shall this one be. I am a Native New Yorker, Manhattan to be exact. I moved away for peace and quiet, I now live in New Hampshire. Yet on Tuesday my spirit was torn from NH and was thrust back into NYC. My brother is with IBM, he is safe, but was closer to the scene than he lead us to believe, he lost friends & co-workers. We have all lost friends and family, it's just starting to sink in. I follow a Norse/Wiccan path. I think its time for a healing ritual tonight. As I said before, Goddess help us all.


My Deepest Sympathies And Thoughts Lie With All Those Who Have Lost... Sep 13th. at 2:44:29 pm UTC

Ariele Whitesilver (Nottingham, England., England UK) Age: 19


My deepest sympathies and thoughts lie with all those who have lost loved ones in this most terrible act, and with the brave rescue workers who continue to search unceasingly for survivors, we can all only pray to whichever Gods/Goddess's we wish to that more survivors will be found.

Everyone in America should know that the British people share in your loss, as we too are beginning to realise that many of our own citizens died that day. For me, I can only imagine how many Americans are feeling - I still cannot fully comprehend it and I live on the other side of the Atlantic.

Like others here I agree that the need for justice should not be directed against those who simply share the same faith as the terrorists or look the same.... but to those who are responsible, who did fund this, who did organise this. For these people, it is clear, justice is coming. Whatever action is taken I fully support, no matter what its form.

May all those who have been affected by this find hope in these dark times.


I Read The Hateful Messages Written Everywhere Online And I Wasn't Surprised... Sep 13th. at 2:44:33 pm UTC

Shayde (Martinez, California US) Age: 20 - Email


I read the hateful messages written everywhere online and I wasn't surprised. Americans reacted as I had expected. While I am moved by the out and out heroism of people pulling together to save lives, it is all drowned out by a hateful, racist cacophany. This is the only forum I've read that did not replse me. I was moved that most of our posts showed pagans doing what we could physically and magically for people. But I am apalled when I see pagans (the kindest people on earth right?) speaking of bombing and killing and taking the lands and resources of other people. What is wrong with you? You are just as heartless as the filth that perpetrated this act. Yes I'm angry. So angry when I got to my altar I began to lay a curse on the heads of the individuals who were behind this and still alive. But I managed to calm myself enough to petition the gods to bring these people to justice. Yes I'm angry but filling Afghanistan with charred bodies will not bring people back. Afghan americans were fighting the fires and healing the injured! They pay taxes, raise children, and defend this country and they are just as American as white little me! And they deserve to be safe as we all do! Islam didn't do this. The Arab world didn't do this. Did you all own slaves? Did you kick native americans off of their home? I didn't but my anscestors probably did, and I have to live with that and learn from their horrid mistakes but I don't want to be punished for them.

Goddess teach us mercy and heal us all


Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:19 Amsubject: Fw: Candle Lighting... Sep 13th. at 2:48:35 pm UTC

George (Clifton, New Jersey US) Age: 37


Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: FW: Candle Lighting- Friday night

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----
Subject: Candle Lighting-Please participate

Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out
of
your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that
Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass
this
to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the
United States quickly.

The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.

We need press to cover this-- we need the world to see.


Hi!i'm Keur From Italy.i'm Working In Bologna's Airport As A... Sep 13th. at 2:53:23 pm UTC

Keur (Bologna,Italy) Age: 23 - Email


Hi!I'm Keur from Italy.
I'm working in Bologna's airport as a Security.
I feel the same things you feel, i feel sorry for this enormous tragedy, 'cause it is a tragedy for all humanity.
I wantend just to say that I'm with you all in this terrible moments.
I'm an aecletic wiccan, and I want to pray for those who suffer and died and I want to do an Healing Ritual.
So much love,
Keur


As I See, And Hear The Nation Cry. My Own Feelings Of... Sep 13th. at 3:01:26 pm UTC

Ruby (North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina US) Age: 35 - Email


As i see, and hear the nation cry. My own feelings of sadness lie with the families of the victims. Do "What you will and Harm None", Where is the compassion in the others who did this? We are all family rather we like it or not.But like the phoenix, we will rise up out of the ashes and start a new.Keep the faith, love be with us .May the Lord & Lady give us all strength


All Are Invited To A Chicago Pagan Pride Celebration & Candle Light Vigil... Sep 13th. at 3:02:37 pm UTC

Dahna Fennell (Oak Park, Illinois US) Age: 30 - Email


All are invited to a Chicago Pagan Pride Celebration & candle Light Vigil on Saturday, September 22nd, 2001 from 8:00-10:00 pm at Churchhill Park (in Bucktown)located just around the corner from Minor Arcana (1869 N Damen). The event is open to the public and it will commemorate those who lost their lives by the recent act of terrorism by unknown parties on September 11, 2001 in New York, Washington & Pennsylvania.


Like Everyone I'm Still Reeling From The Events That Occured On 9... Sep 13th. at 3:03:21 pm UTC

Rynn Morgan Fox (Bakersfield, California US) Age: 20 - Email


Like everyone I'm still reeling from the events that occured on 9/11, but what is boggling me is that over a year ago I had a vision of this happening. Since it didn't occur immediately, I forgot about it until I heard the news. I had a feeling something bad was going to occur the week before 9/11, but I thought my sense of foreboding was just because something not too great was going to happen to me -and only me. Even though I saw the signs- which included a voice asking, "how would you handle it if you lived through Pearl Harbor?" I ignored them because 'everything's fine.'

I keep thinking about my vision and how it occured over a year ago. I keep thinking that if I dreamt this over a year ago, the terrorists must have been planning it for much longer, if only because I believe that we only get visions when one particular future has started to gel above all others. I feel like I should've been able to do something, but I know that I couldn't. I keep wondering, did anyone else have precursor visions of this tragedy?

I had another vision the night of 9/11 when my mother told me that one of her friend's cousins was in the second WTC tower when the second plane hit. Immediately I saw a man in a navy suit standing with blood oozing from head wounds. I swallowed hard and told my mother, who is a bit used to my "wyrdness" that he was...gone.

Goddess bless and Goddess keep, for when we weap, She weaps. But compassion is the key of things if we are to live and grow as citizens of earth, for if we lose compassion for our fellow beings, we lose our souls. If we lose our souls, then all is lost.

Send compassion, send love into the world. For where ever love is, hate cannot be.

In love, Light, and Service to Her.


Siyo People..... I Have Been Reading, These Last Couple Ofdays, From... Sep 13th. at 3:05:25 pm UTC

Don WaterHawk (Ft. Myers, Florida US) Age: 51 - Email


'Siyo people.....

I have been reading, these last couple of days, from so many....and have felt from so many. I say "Wah Do", giving thanks, to all. I have heard of the words of so many prayers, and thus would like to offer a experience and lesson that I myself have learned...as a peaceful human.....as a person with intimate knowledge of war, and the greatest mistake, the killing of another human through fear.

During the Iran War, I received a phone call from a Lakota Elder, telling me of his nations quest to go to Bagdad, to hold the "Chanupa" (Sacred Pipe ceremony), with the leaders of that nation. This elder told me that the Elders that were making the journey were going to need help, thus the reason for the call. This Elder asked if I would get together all the Pipe people that I could find, and pray for the Elders that are to make this trip. I said that I would, then hung up the phone. My thoughts were of first, why did this man call me, I'm a nothing in his nation, I am new to the Walk of the Stone, and I'm not even of his tribe. But I was honored, and I had been asked....so my duty to the Human nation was clear. So off I went with the phone calls, calling everyone around the country that I knew walked with the Stone. And during this calling and requesting I began to think about the ceremoney itself. I had done a single "Chanupa", and even one with two Pipes. But never one of this magnitude, and I began to wonder just how this was to be done. So another journey started with calls to all the Elders that I had sat next to in my life. With the question, "How is this to be done properly". As I contacted each Elder, I was asked a single question..."What are you praying for?" And like a little boy, wanting to please...to receive....I stated "World Peace..!" And each time I said that to these wise people, the phone went silient...And each time my thoughts were "Oh shit....what did I screw up now?" But I persisted, and called, and stated the same questions and replied the same answer. No one told me to pray for anything different, no one gave me any hints, not one Elder that I had spoken to offered anything but smiles over the phone and that their Spirit would be with me at the time said when this was to happen. I began to doubt myself that I could do this properly, I began to wonder if this should even be done...thinking about the silence over the phone with each Elder as they asked the question of what am I praying for. We contacted a Universalist Church in Akron, Ohio, and they offered the space in which to do the ceremoney. News people from all over called and wanted to be there, they were told no, as this was not an entertainment show. We had gotten 11 Pipe people around the country to come. And as the day came, my nervousness got greater. I started losing faith in my own abilities with Spirit. I kept coming back to the reaction of the Elders when my answer to their question came forth. The day came of the ceremony, and as I drove to the Church in the rain, I remember a teaching that Granmother Twyla had taught me. It was about the importance of words, and how powerful they were, how each word coming out of our mouths, and thought that formed in our heads, could do more help or damage than we could possibly believe. So, as I drove, with the Chanupa sitting on my lap in the car......I finally got it....World Peace.....look what I was asking.............what could be the most peaceful world that you could think of.........one that would be devoid of all life, of all thoughts whether good or bad, no emotions, no passion, just a world of stillness........of peacefulness. Well, we changed the prayer intention to Resolution, we sat in a huge circle, we filled the pipes with prayers, we smoked the pipes and we sent our Voices to the anchestors. Every camera within the space that took pictures of the ceremoney broke, it took hours (blissful ones) for the prayers to be sent....then it was over. We packed up the pipes, gave hugs through tears and smiles, and each drove home.....

I tell this story to you, because of the words that I have heard, and myself spoken, and ask that we be careful. Intention is the key to all Magic and Medicine (one of the same). And to offer wisdom in picking our words carefully as we sit in prayer. We really have no idea of the power that we keep within our Spirit, we can be such low self esteem creatures, and not realize, until it cannot be taken back. I stand as the smallest and weakest of all creatures in the universe............I stand as one who has been to the extreme rim of human emotions and acts........I stand with the desire and trust to do "For the Good of All"...........Nyeh Weh....(it is said)

Dream Gently Pray wisely,
Ne Ge Si Wodi
Don WaterHawk


I Am A Native New Yorker Living In Baltimore. I Was At... Sep 13th. at 3:05:30 pm UTC

Jen (Baltimore, Maryland US) Age: 27


I am a native new yorker living in baltimore. I was at work when the tragedy happened. I did not have a tv or radio, but i felt it as if I was there. I haven't been able to cry yet; all I do is walk around in a fog. Every night i light two candles, one for those past on, and one for those still here. Please everyone you can help in numerous ways. Give blood, clothes, and a hug to anyone who needs it. I feel like my home has been raped. Not the land, the land was raped many hundreds of years ago; But the heart and soul of the city. Its not even the fact that the buildings are gone, but all the people who were just having a normal tuesday morning at work, are gone. Every time i see that plane pierce tower 2, i feel as though a knife has pierced my chest. I will send all the light and love and good feeling tonight with all the rest of world. I send it also to both my cousins stuck in Europe, my brother who is getting married this weekend in Long Island. My sister-in-law especially. she saw the towers on fire and is so very upset. I'm rambling and i'm sorry, like i said i'm in a fog.

Please pray to the goddess of this earth. And all of you in Ny now, my heart and soul go out to your suffering. Just know that you're not alone, the whole world suffers with you. The whole universe too....

Jen


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