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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

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As I See, And Hear The Nation Cry. My Own Feelings Of... Sep 13th. at 3:01:26 pm EDT

Ruby (North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina US) Age: 35 - Email


As i see, and hear the nation cry. My own feelings of sadness lie with the families of the victims. Do "What you will and Harm None", Where is the compassion in the others who did this? We are all family rather we like it or not.But like the phoenix, we will rise up out of the ashes and start a new.Keep the faith, love be with us .May the Lord & Lady give us all strength


All Are Invited To A Chicago Pagan Pride Celebration & Candle Light Vigil... Sep 13th. at 3:02:37 pm EDT

Dahna Fennell (Oak Park, Illinois US) Age: 30 - Email


All are invited to a Chicago Pagan Pride Celebration & candle Light Vigil on Saturday, September 22nd, 2001 from 8:00-10:00 pm at Churchhill Park (in Bucktown)located just around the corner from Minor Arcana (1869 N Damen). The event is open to the public and it will commemorate those who lost their lives by the recent act of terrorism by unknown parties on September 11, 2001 in New York, Washington & Pennsylvania.


Like Everyone I'm Still Reeling From The Events That Occured On 9... Sep 13th. at 3:03:21 pm EDT

Rynn Morgan Fox (Bakersfield, California US) Age: 20 - Email


Like everyone I'm still reeling from the events that occured on 9/11, but what is boggling me is that over a year ago I had a vision of this happening. Since it didn't occur immediately, I forgot about it until I heard the news. I had a feeling something bad was going to occur the week before 9/11, but I thought my sense of foreboding was just because something not too great was going to happen to me -and only me. Even though I saw the signs- which included a voice asking, "how would you handle it if you lived through Pearl Harbor?" I ignored them because 'everything's fine.'

I keep thinking about my vision and how it occured over a year ago. I keep thinking that if I dreamt this over a year ago, the terrorists must have been planning it for much longer, if only because I believe that we only get visions when one particular future has started to gel above all others. I feel like I should've been able to do something, but I know that I couldn't. I keep wondering, did anyone else have precursor visions of this tragedy?

I had another vision the night of 9/11 when my mother told me that one of her friend's cousins was in the second WTC tower when the second plane hit. Immediately I saw a man in a navy suit standing with blood oozing from head wounds. I swallowed hard and told my mother, who is a bit used to my "wyrdness" that he was...gone.

Goddess bless and Goddess keep, for when we weap, She weaps. But compassion is the key of things if we are to live and grow as citizens of earth, for if we lose compassion for our fellow beings, we lose our souls. If we lose our souls, then all is lost.

Send compassion, send love into the world. For where ever love is, hate cannot be.

In love, Light, and Service to Her.


Siyo People..... I Have Been Reading, These Last Couple Ofdays, From... Sep 13th. at 3:05:25 pm EDT

Don WaterHawk (Ft. Myers, Florida US) Age: 51 - Email


'Siyo people.....

I have been reading, these last couple of days, from so many....and have felt from so many. I say "Wah Do", giving thanks, to all. I have heard of the words of so many prayers, and thus would like to offer a experience and lesson that I myself have learned...as a peaceful human.....as a person with intimate knowledge of war, and the greatest mistake, the killing of another human through fear.

During the Iran War, I received a phone call from a Lakota Elder, telling me of his nations quest to go to Bagdad, to hold the "Chanupa" (Sacred Pipe ceremony), with the leaders of that nation. This elder told me that the Elders that were making the journey were going to need help, thus the reason for the call. This Elder asked if I would get together all the Pipe people that I could find, and pray for the Elders that are to make this trip. I said that I would, then hung up the phone. My thoughts were of first, why did this man call me, I'm a nothing in his nation, I am new to the Walk of the Stone, and I'm not even of his tribe. But I was honored, and I had been asked....so my duty to the Human nation was clear. So off I went with the phone calls, calling everyone around the country that I knew walked with the Stone. And during this calling and requesting I began to think about the ceremoney itself. I had done a single "Chanupa", and even one with two Pipes. But never one of this magnitude, and I began to wonder just how this was to be done. So another journey started with calls to all the Elders that I had sat next to in my life. With the question, "How is this to be done properly". As I contacted each Elder, I was asked a single question..."What are you praying for?" And like a little boy, wanting to please...to receive....I stated "World Peace..!" And each time I said that to these wise people, the phone went silient...And each time my thoughts were "Oh shit....what did I screw up now?" But I persisted, and called, and stated the same questions and replied the same answer. No one told me to pray for anything different, no one gave me any hints, not one Elder that I had spoken to offered anything but smiles over the phone and that their Spirit would be with me at the time said when this was to happen. I began to doubt myself that I could do this properly, I began to wonder if this should even be done...thinking about the silence over the phone with each Elder as they asked the question of what am I praying for. We contacted a Universalist Church in Akron, Ohio, and they offered the space in which to do the ceremoney. News people from all over called and wanted to be there, they were told no, as this was not an entertainment show. We had gotten 11 Pipe people around the country to come. And as the day came, my nervousness got greater. I started losing faith in my own abilities with Spirit. I kept coming back to the reaction of the Elders when my answer to their question came forth. The day came of the ceremony, and as I drove to the Church in the rain, I remember a teaching that Granmother Twyla had taught me. It was about the importance of words, and how powerful they were, how each word coming out of our mouths, and thought that formed in our heads, could do more help or damage than we could possibly believe. So, as I drove, with the Chanupa sitting on my lap in the car......I finally got it....World Peace.....look what I was asking.............what could be the most peaceful world that you could think of.........one that would be devoid of all life, of all thoughts whether good or bad, no emotions, no passion, just a world of stillness........of peacefulness. Well, we changed the prayer intention to Resolution, we sat in a huge circle, we filled the pipes with prayers, we smoked the pipes and we sent our Voices to the anchestors. Every camera within the space that took pictures of the ceremoney broke, it took hours (blissful ones) for the prayers to be sent....then it was over. We packed up the pipes, gave hugs through tears and smiles, and each drove home.....

I tell this story to you, because of the words that I have heard, and myself spoken, and ask that we be careful. Intention is the key to all Magic and Medicine (one of the same). And to offer wisdom in picking our words carefully as we sit in prayer. We really have no idea of the power that we keep within our Spirit, we can be such low self esteem creatures, and not realize, until it cannot be taken back. I stand as the smallest and weakest of all creatures in the universe............I stand as one who has been to the extreme rim of human emotions and acts........I stand with the desire and trust to do "For the Good of All"...........Nyeh Weh....(it is said)

Dream Gently Pray wisely,
Ne Ge Si Wodi
Don WaterHawk


I Am A Native New Yorker Living In Baltimore. I Was At... Sep 13th. at 3:05:30 pm EDT

Jen (Baltimore, Maryland US) Age: 27


I am a native new yorker living in baltimore. I was at work when the tragedy happened. I did not have a tv or radio, but i felt it as if I was there. I haven't been able to cry yet; all I do is walk around in a fog. Every night i light two candles, one for those past on, and one for those still here. Please everyone you can help in numerous ways. Give blood, clothes, and a hug to anyone who needs it. I feel like my home has been raped. Not the land, the land was raped many hundreds of years ago; But the heart and soul of the city. Its not even the fact that the buildings are gone, but all the people who were just having a normal tuesday morning at work, are gone. Every time i see that plane pierce tower 2, i feel as though a knife has pierced my chest. I will send all the light and love and good feeling tonight with all the rest of world. I send it also to both my cousins stuck in Europe, my brother who is getting married this weekend in Long Island. My sister-in-law especially. she saw the towers on fire and is so very upset. I'm rambling and i'm sorry, like i said i'm in a fog.

Please pray to the goddess of this earth. And all of you in Ny now, my heart and soul go out to your suffering. Just know that you're not alone, the whole world suffers with you. The whole universe too....

Jen


Hello Again, A Slight Alteration To The Ritual For Tomorrow (friday) Night... Sep 13th. at 3:06:04 pm EDT

Graceria Soul-Fire (Oxford, Massachusetts US) Age: 22 - Email


Hello again,

A slight alteration to the ritual for tomorrow (Friday) night. Please also send out your prayers to banish fear and anger amongst our fellow Americans. I know a lot of people are very afraid and very, very angry. Please keep in mind that there are innocent people in the country which attacked us. Please do not blame or attack those of their race who live in this country. It is NOT the fault of every Pakistanian man, woman, and child. Nor do all of them support the terrorists actions. It has not even been determined for certain exactly WHO it was who attacked us. We need to pray for quick retribution and for a dispersal the fear and anger which is so prominent in this country right now.


The Ancient Societies Whose Gods And Goddesses We Share Understood That Different... Sep 13th. at 3:11:10 pm EDT

Elizabeth (Omaha, Nebraska US) Age: 38 - Email


The ancient societies whose Gods and Goddesses we share understood that different types of people were needed for different tasks - warriors, counselors, teachers, healers, leaders. A society who had the correct balance between these was a strong and stable society. A society whose warriors overrode its doves, or a society whose doves silenced and chained its warriors, was an unstable and weak society whose instability would cause its downfall.

In the pagan community in these last few days, I have seen those whose spirits call them to be warriors, and those whose spirits call them to calm strife, argue among themselves as to who is 'right, ' who has the 'correct' response.

Perhaps it is time to consider that we need is the balance of *both* the spiritual warriors and the spiritual healers and counselors. Instead of trying to change each other's nature, I believe it is time (past time) to accept each of us as the person we have been called to be. This, of course, requires that we each examine ourselves and our motives clearly. Once that is done, our confidence in ourselves and each other will make our magick stronger.

Some of us have found the balance of the two within ourselves, some of us need another in the community to provide this balance. I believe each should expend their energy in the way they have been called, and all should trust the Goddess and the God that the calling is the best one for ourselves, our people and our planet.

Elizabeth


Nightfall Coven Of Dekalb Will Be Holding A Ritual Tonight (9/13... Sep 13th. at 3:12:26 pm EDT

Nimue (DeKalb, Illinois US) Age: 32 - Email


Nightfall Coven of DeKalb will be holding a ritual tonight (9/13) at the Huntley Park labyrinth, between 2nd and 3rd and Prospect and Garden streets in DeKalb. All are welcome. Call (815)754-4863 if you need further info. You may want to check out Starhawk's visualization on her page http://www.starhawk.org
as we will be using it tonight.


This Is A Really Tough Time To Be An Empath, Let Me... Sep 13th. at 3:12:31 pm EDT

Heather Fairfield (Canton, Massachusetts US) Age: 29 - Email


This is a really tough time to be an empath, let me tell you. I feel it whenever there is tragedy that claims a multitude of lives ("I sense a disturbance in the force", if you know what I mean), and it has been really tough to filter some of the grief, anguish, and rage that is constantly flooding in on me. I find myself alternately furious and weeping. I am having extreme difficulty focusing on anything because of all the high emotions I am picking up on. I can't shut it out -- I've tried. Usually, I have much greater control over my ability to block reception in times where I'm picking up on too many emotions at once. I've always been highly sensitive this way, but right now the emotions are overwhelming and I'm not used to having such a hard time blocking things out. I have another Pagan friend in NH (I'm in Boston) who is having similar difficulties -- and he is much less experienced than I am in "blocking transmissions". He has really been a wreck for the last few days, and I am heading up to see him tomorrow night. Hopefully, we can find a way together to dampen the reception that we're getting before we go crazy.

I feel very helpless and very frustrated, needing to do SOMETHING but unable to be there helping the rescue workers, which is where I would be if I could. This is very very difficult for me. I don't really feel angry as much as terribly terribly sad.

On the way home last night, I asked the Mother a question. My question was this: "Mother, why did you create us with the capacity for so much violence?"

The answer I received (She always responds when I least expect it) was this: "I gave you the ability to be violent so that you could protect yourselves against that (the image I got here was of a predator) which would harm you. It was your decision as humans to turn that power against each other. Would you have had me create you blind and helpless? You (as a species) made this decision, now you must live with the consequences."

I pray that She gives us the strength, wisdom, and courage to make better choices in the future.

Blessed Be,
Heather Fairfield
Canton, MA


Greetings All.i Am An Pagan Who Lives In South-western Ct, Fairly... Sep 13th. at 3:18:43 pm EDT

RainPanther (Norwalk, Connecticut US) Age: 24 - Email


Greetings all.

I am an pagan who lives in South-Western CT, fairly close to the NY border and I'm completely in shock. I feel like I'm fighting against the reality of what has just happened and that it's all some sort of horrible dream. At the same point, I feel frightened for what this means to the future of our country. CT is a very pagan friendly and highly progressive state, but lately, all I hear from my associates at work and around town are how this happend because "God has taken his hand off of the USA." People are irrationally blaming this incident on those who beleive in abortion, who don't pray, and who "sin". When I come home and turn on the news I hear Senators and other people in power stating that God is the only way we are going to get through this. I watched part of the vigil last night only to here more people quote bible passages. The president, when he addressed the union did the same. I understand the need for people of all backgrounds to turn to religion in this time of need, but for the first time in my life I truly feel like a minority. With the support networks out here on the east coast and the many events that we can attend, it wasn't a feeling that was ever present before and now it's pretty difficult to cope with. We've had 1 riot already in which a Mosque in Bridgeport has been attacked by men with baseball bats. The hate and anger seems to be on the rise at a frightening leven and I can't help but be afraid that the Pagan Community will soon be another target for these hate attacks. I am also afraid for what this will mean for our quality of life in the future, and for the children I wish to bring into this world. This seems like a key turning point in history in which we can never turn back.

I've had a candle on the mantle burning since Tuesday night and last night my family held a small candle light vigil of our own outside. It has helped somewhat, but I still feel the effects of this great tragedy and loss.

Thank you all for listening to this rant. Blessed Be,


I Am So Reminded Of The Tower Card: The Blast From The... Sep 13th. at 3:23:48 pm EDT

Amber (Phoenix, Arizona US) Age: 50 - Email


I am so reminded of The Tower Card: the blast from the sky, the two people they spoke of hand in hand jumping from one of the twin towers. I think The Tower is often referred to in terms of that 'that which is not built upon Truth shall fall'. I pulled from my deck, the 2 of cups and The Sun and lit before them 3 white candles I carved with ancient symbols in gold: I prayed to the All of whom we are the children of, to blanket us with the Peace that Passeth Understanding.


It Has Been Two Days And I Am Still In Shock And... Sep 13th. at 3:27:19 pm EDT

Catdra (Three Rivers, Texas US) Age: 41 - Email


It has been two days and I am still in shock and hurting. Please pray for all the rescue workers especially those who are digging survivors and bodies out of the rubble. Some areas of the pentagon and the WTC are unsafe to appraoch. Rescue workers are in despair knowing that may be survivors but that thay will be unable to assist them. Lord and Lady I ask you to help any way you can, even if it is to comfort souls of those who passed on. I have also heard of muslims and mosques being attacked here in america. We should not let anger rule our hearts. Pray to the god and godess for wisdom and healing.


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