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Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
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Who are you going to vote for and why?
Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?
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| As A Pagan I Am Currently Leaning Towards The Libertarian Party. George... ||Aug 7th. at 10:52:55 pm UTC|
|IronCrow (Dallas, Texas US) ||Age: 33 |
As a Pagan I am currently leaning towards the Libertarian Party. George W. Bush scares the (put in your favorite euphemism here) out of me. Definitely riding the religious rights horse all the way in. Don't forget what he said about Wicca being allowed in the military (paraphrasing)"Its not a religion and the military should change their mind".
Now as far as Gore is concerned, Socialism scares me as well. I view the constitution as divine in nature. A document written by a bunch of dyed in the wool Christians that orders freedom of religion for all and the right to protect ourselves. Too much gun grabbing going on the Democratic side of the house. Freedom of religion and the freedom to bear arms in an organized militia are both our rights, not our privileges. ThatÕs why I am leaning toward Harry Brown (Lib pres. candidate). Now I will admit that he has not stated any stance on Wicca but the stance that Religion and Government should be separate is good enough for me at this point. I must, however, admit that the selection of Mr. Lieberman for Vice Pres. candidate by Gore does indeed give me allot of hope. BTW donÕt worry about throwing your vote away if you choose a third party candidate. The popular vote is just that, a popularity contest. The real election is done by the electoral collage and they are put in place by the incumbents. I think it would be a hoot to watch a third party candidate win popular vote then one of the two big party candidates get into office. Maybe then we could get rid of the electoral collage.
It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not JUST VOTE!!!!
BTW: Being a Texan myself I can tell you that George W. Bush has had absolutely no effect on the state (except that he has an abismal education record) and I didnt even know his name until he decided to run for Pres.
| Yes I Am Registered To Vote. I Have Not Decided Yet On... ||Aug 7th. at 11:39:51 pm UTC|
|Holda Amber Busch (Shawnee, Oklahoma US) ||Age: 29 |
Yes I am registered to vote. I have not decided yet on which party I will vote for. Bush seems to be the greatest evil on the horizen with Dick Chaney. Both are terribly conservative in their beliefs concerning women's rights and issues, and Bush's initial commentary about the Barr/Hood deal really bothered me. I realize that he did issue an apology, but it was the first statement that was in my mind the one that most reflects his feelings on the matter, the apology was nothing more than him covering his arse.
On the other side of the coin, Gore is pandering to more conservative-moderate voters. He has wooed people of such backgrounds by mentioning his "spirituality, " a lot and yet has tried to maintain good relations with with the tree huggers, the women, and all those who are by tradition a large block of the Democratic vote. I will never forget however, the NPR report when some individuals were protesting destruction of forests in S. America and the threat that drilling for oil posed to certain tribe of indigenous people. They protested Gore because he owned substantial stock in the Oil Company that was doing the Drilling. Well Mr. Al "I'm Green" Gore had these people arrested and taken to jail. Now he has further muddied the waters of independent voters by picking a Orthodox Jewish running mate. While I think that such a race will be very telling as to the level of inherent bigotry in this country. His running mate is very conservative and has a decidedly pro-life stance.
As a woman I feel trapped between Chaney and Lieberman, because I suspect that women's issues in general would suffer by the decisions and knowledge of either, both of whom have made it very clear their faith and desire to follow tradition as members of the Abrahamic traditions. Both of whom go by edicts perpetuated by a very patriarchal set of religious practices, specifically when those practices are filtered through the fundamentalist thought process.
As a feminist, I am by their own scripture guilty of Witchcraft through the simple act of social rebellion. While I know that problably neither would take the issue that far, there are those in this country who would like to see Witches and Pagans converted and women back in the kitchen barefoot and preggers, regardless of their own wishes. I have not decided yet, which set of running mates will do the least amount of damages to my lifestyle and freedoms as a female and as a Pagan. Bush will try to appoint conservative justices to the supreme court, he has said that Scalia is his ideal. However, with Gore, He could decide to try and secure voters for a second term by doing the same and winning more conservative voters and conservative-moderates to his side. While this post looks very negative. I intend to vote. I intend to play a part in the election process of this country. I also intend to pay attention to political debates and do some digging of my own.
On another note, it is a shame that Pat Robertson holds so much power over the political machine in this country. I noticed how John McCain fell into political oblivion after criticizing Robertson early in the race. It is a testament to the actual source of power in this country that makes or breaks political aspirations. When Pat could not get elected in the 80's, he decided that instead of being King, he would be King maker. Something worth watching for in terms of PACS and endorsements. Look at Robertson's holdings and the subsidiaries and then follow the money to the PACS (Political Action Committees).
| I Am Registered To Vote And Will Vote, Unfortunately I Will Probably... ||Aug 8th. at 1:14:16 am UTC|
|Turtle Moonchild (Billings, Montana US) ||Age: 39 - Email |
I am registered to vote and will vote, unfortunately I will probably vote for Gore. Unfortunate because I see my choices as lousy and lousier yet. I do not like or agree with Bush's stand on the Wiccan religion so I cannot in good faith vote for him. I don't agree with Gore on many things but in my mind he is the lesser of two evils.
| Greetings All, I Am Leaning Towards The Democratic Opponent-al Gore. In Light... ||Aug 8th. at 1:57:59 am UTC|
|~Lynx (Sacramento, California US) ||Age: 31 - Email |
I am leaning towards the Democratic opponent-Al Gore. In light of George W. Bush's stance on Wicca/Witchcraft, I will never support someone who wants to suppress the rights of our military Pagans or ban any faith. While I would happily cross party lines in favor of the best candidate for "the good of all", I feel that George W. Bush would not be good for all. If he supports a ban on Wicca in the military, who's to say that he will not try to suppress other faiths. If he so proudly proclaims "Jesus Day", this supports that he has no concept of the meaning behind our Freedom of Religion. This type of intolerance has no place in the mind of a leader who is supposed to stand up for our rights and all Americans.
Political involvement of the Pagan community is of utmost importance. How can we protect our rights if we do not get involved in the leaders and laws that make up our country? While I am not pleased with either of the two main candidates, one thing stands clear in my mind-our Religious Freedom MUST be protected. We have learned from past mistakes what happens when one Religion attempts to condemn another. Lest we forget, NEVER again the Burning Times!
| I Will Leave The Country If The Evil Shrub (bush) Gets Elected... ||Aug 8th. at 4:33:44 am UTC|
|trystan (Springfield, Missouri US) ||Age: 19 |
I will leave the country if the Evil Shrub (Bush) gets elected, and the planet if Buchanan does. I do not need an incompetent or a Nazi apologist in the Oval Office.
That said, I also oppose Gore, because of his rife hypocrisy on environmental issues. Thus, I support Ralph Nader and Greens. I think they are most in line with my personal ethics.
| I Am Planning To "vote My Hopes, Not My Fears" And So... ||Aug 8th. at 4:58:13 am UTC|
|Tracey (New York, New York US) ||Age: 24 - Email |
I am planning to "vote my hopes, not my fears" and so I am voting for Nader/LaDuke. I have struggled with the decision a bit and not because I have any doubts about getting behind the Green Party platform. The principles of the Green party and the Nader candidacy are not simply the lesser of two evils but affirmatively express the principles I endorse - human rights, a strong labor and environmental stance, commitment to diversity, and feminism.
The part that has been difficult is the possibility of Bush winning and they danger his presidency would pose to reproductive rights, affirmative action, environmental protection as well as the rights of non-majority religious groups. As a close watcher of the Supreme Court, I am also concerned about the power that a conservative administration would have over that institution. While Gore is certainly a better choice than Bush, I fundamentally disagree with many of his policies, especially on the economic issues. I am also still resentful of the Clinton/Gore administration for shifting the entire political debate in this country to the right. I find it laughable that political commentators and the Bush camp keep describing Gore and the democrats as liberal. Would truly a liberal or progressive administration have signed those horrendous welfare and immigration laws in 1996?
So, I came to the decision that I would vote for Nader. Instead of hedging my bets and begrudgingly voting for someone whose policies and principles I don't believe in, I am choosing hope. I know that he can not win this election, and that some people say I am wasting my vote. However, in a way it is a form of magic -- visualization.
Change will not happen while we sit by and wait for it. We have make our move and stand up for what we believe in. There will only begin to be vital alternatives to the Republicrats when people are willing to vote for alternatives. I believe that we must visualize change and a better future, just as we visualize positive outcomes of spells, before it will begin to happen. Just as we then have to actively work towards the desired effects of our magic, we also have to take steps to effect change.
You may think that voting for Nader is a wasted vote. If we are short sighted and think only of a win, then perhaps it is. However, if we look to the future we can begin to make change - if Nader gets 5% of the National Vote, the Green Party will get matching funds in the next presidential election. We have begun and will continue to have a more open national discussion if we can simply get third party candidates into the debates. These are the steps that must be taken to begin to make change. Just as with magic, the effects may at times be slow but they will come if we can visualize the world we want to live in and then direct our energy towards it.
Whoever you choose to vote for, I think it is important for the pagan community to get out there and vote in the coming election.
To learn more about the Nader Campaign and the Green Party:
| After A Long While Of Being Dissatified With Both The Republicans And... ||Aug 8th. at 5:15:48 am UTC|
|Kevin Jenkins (Blaidd on the ND page of WotW) (Minot, North Dakota US) ||Age: 24 - Email |
After a long while of being dissatified with both the Republicans and Democrats, I finally found the party that fits my views. The Libertarian party basically paraphrases the Rede in it's political stance. While the Right values economic freedom but social controls, and the Left prefers social freedoms and government controls on the economy, Libertarians look to maximize freedoms in both of those areas and more. The government's only duty is to protect the lives and civil rights of it's citizens, basically protecting them from harm while allowing them to live as they will.
| Yes I Am Registered To Vote.(registered Repulican)but I Think I... ||Aug 8th. at 7:31:38 am UTC|
|Steve Winn (w.Babylon, New York US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
Yes I am registered to vote.(registered repulican)But I think I might vote for Brown for the libertarion party. But I need to go over all the info on all the parties.
| In The Past I've Always Cast My Vote For A Multi-party System... ||Aug 8th. at 8:52:39 am UTC|
|Ivy (Rochester, Minnesota US) ||Age: 28 |
In the past I've always cast my vote for a multi-party system. That is, I vote Green simply because I'd like to see more supported choices on the ballot. But not this year. This year I'm deliberately voting against instead of voting for. I don't like it, but for me it's a necessary evil.
I'll be voting against Bush by voting for Gore. The irony is that on some fiscal issues, I'm actually more conservative (personal responsibility and all that). But socially I'm obviously, strongly liberal and from that perspective Bush is a dangerous candidate.
However, he's currently winning in the polls. Should Bush be elected in November, I will write the relevant Supreme Court Justices and ask -- no, beg --that if they plan on retiring, they consider retiring early (in December) so Clinton can select their replacements... Because if Bush is elected, it will be a bad four years for religious minorities...but if he appoints new justices as well I foresee many bad decades ahead.
| I Don't Think Witchcraft Is A Religion. I Would Hope The Military... ||Aug 8th. at 9:39:01 am UTC|
|Oriole (Milford, Connecticut US) ||Age: 44 |
"I don't think witchcraft is a religion. I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made." G.W. Bush (R), Governor of Texas. Interviewed on ABC's Good Morning America, 1999-JUN-24 by Peggy Wehmeyer. Comment relates to the rights of Wiccan soldiers to have the same religious rights as others in the military.
I am going to vote for whoever has the best chance to defeat this ignorant stooge.
| I Will Vote For Ralph Nader. He Has Been A Tireless Crusader... ||Aug 8th. at 10:22:12 am UTC|
|Peg Aloi (Medford, Massachusetts US) ||Age: 36 - Email |
I will vote for Ralph Nader. He has been a tireless crusader for consumers' rights for many years and shows no sign of slowing down. He awakened the world to the fact that not every product we buy is always safe and that we should not alwqays trust advertising or corporate propaganda. Consumer advocacy, such as Mr. Nader has engaged in for the past several decades, is a way of empowering the people. Nader believes American citizens have a right to safe food, safe homes, safe automobiles and a clean environment, and that citizens have the right to insist their governemtn protect their rights to these things.
Nader has been encouraged to run for president before, and has had his name out there as a write-in candidate, but this is the first time he himself has agreed to do so officially. He is running under the Green Party affiliation: a political party which has much more intense activity and history in countries like Italy and Germany and France; but which has been sorely needed in the United Sattes for a long time. Mr. Nader drives a shitty car and wears cheap suits, because he gives all his extra money to charity. He is unmarried and as far as anyone can tell hasn't got much of a personal life because he works his butt off as an activist 24/7/365.
I had the pleasure hearing Mr. Nader speak at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst a number of years ago, and also got to meet and talk with him briefly about an issue I was working on at the time, the Humane Farming Initiative, which he also supported. The initiative was defeated because of a vast, expensive and fraudulant campaign mounted by the huge agribusiness concern, the American Farm Bureau, which claimed the bill--which sought humane treatment of farm animals such as battery cage hens and veal calves, and laws which would create healthier coditions for animals and healthier food for humans--was actually a conspiracy to turn the nation into a bunch of vegetarians and that it would hurt small family farms by placing undue burdens on them...The opposite was true, as small farms were just the sorts of operations that could produce animals products raised humanely and then sell them to consumers who have begun to demand safer food. When the bill was defeated, the big corporate farms continued to wipe out the small farmer, and do so to this day. Farming is a big issue with Nader, as it is directly connected to safe food for consumers, and these days there are bigger public safety problems connected to it, such as genetic engineering of crops and seeds, stronger pesticides, and things like mad cow disease...
I think our country needs a compassionate, discerning, hard-working human being like this who does not talk in huge platitudes, but sees the small and painful reality of what life in this country has become for many of us, and who sees that our connection to the natural world, to the most basic stuff of life, our food and our environment, are every bit as important, if not more so, than the economy or gun control or abortion or foreign policy.
I am distressed by the growing trend towards centrism in American politics. Gore chooses a moralist as a running mate, Bush tries to prop up all these women and minorities to show how compassionate he is. You can barely tell the difference between republicans and Democrats anymore. I was relatively happy with Clinton's position on many issues, particularly environmental preservation and reproductive rights, but he also did his part over the last eight years to move the country further to the center. Such that anyone espousing any view even slightly left of center is considered some sort of Commie pinko fanatic...the word "liberal" used to mean something good...
I think of the bits and pieces of what I know and what I suspet will happen if either of those jokers gets elected: George W. will pander to the Religious Right when he needs to. Gore is in favor of the death penalty. Cheney voted against the Head Start program. Lieberman thinks television and movies are violent and immoral. Bush is pro-life and pro-death penalty (explain THAT one to me...) Both Bush and Cheney have terrible records when it comes to environmental preservation. And whoever is elected will be appointing no fewer than THREE Supreme Court justices to the bench, possibly more.
To paraphrase documentary filmmaker and liberal smart-aleck, "Bush and Gore Make Me Wanna Ralph!"
I will vote for the man who really seems to care about what is important to me. Clean water and air, safe food, farming as a way of life, and the preservation of our natural resources. It is time to stop the ravishing of the landscape and the oceans. It is time to save this planet and treat its people with fairness and find some purpose to living beyond greed.
I am voting for Ralph Nader.
| Of Course I Will Be Voting For Al And Joe, In Fact... ||Aug 8th. at 10:58:49 am UTC|
|Steven E. Repko (Mays Landing, New Jersey US) ||Age: 43 - Email |
Of course I will be voting for Al and Joe, in fact I am pleased to see an Orthodox Jew on the ticket. In many parts of the country Jews are discriminated against as well, he may not be pagan, but heÕs close and that raises my comfort levels. They are not my idea of (political perfection) but very much the (lesser of two evils). Being an astrologer I already know what makes Al and George (tick) and although he does want to be President (too much), he has a good vision of where America should go next. HeÕs not perfect, but heÕs proactive.
LetÕs face it George and Company would like nothing better than to declare Christianity the (National Religion) and have the rest of us (not just pagans) worshipping in basements again. He is supported by a group of people that make millions of dollars a year by keeping everyone (thinking Jesus). I could almost respect them if it werenÕt all about money again. Perhaps they should put their faith in their god and (return to Caesar).
His other supporters make billions by enslaving the labor force. There is a twisted similarity there someplace. Anyone who truly believes this guy is good for America needs to have their prescription refilled.
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