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Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
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| I Have Thought How I Wanted To Express My Feelings....i Came... ||Sep 13th. at 9:04:44 pm UTC|
|Triskele (Louisville, Kentucky US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
I have thought how I wanted to express my feelings....I came across this and felt it was perfect.
In Darkness and Light, Triskele http://www.hennagrove.com
~~~~~~~~~ We'll go forward from this moment It's my job to have something to say.
They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering
You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.
What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed
Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause
Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.
Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.
Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.
But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice
I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future
In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined
THE STEEL IN US
You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold
As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.
So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started
But you're about to learn.
Leonard Pitt - Miami Herald email@example.com
| We In Our Family Were All Shocked With What We Saw On... ||Sep 13th. at 9:17:57 pm UTC|
|Daryl Valaquio (Makati City, Philippines) ||Age: 22 - Email |
We in our family were all shocked with what we saw on our television screen. It's like watching a movie . . . but unfortunately, it's real. First thing that comes to my mind was "God, tell me this isn't real, please!" But hell NO!
I pray that those who died in the incident will be given justice as soon as possible. Our country(the Philippines), share the same grief as we also experience the terror of the Abu Sayaff, and so our outmost support to President Bush in his decision of retaliation. Our country, addressed by the Macapagal Administration, will give its support to America. I just hope and pray that this will not be the beginning of another World War.
My depeest condolences & sympathy to all those who are affected by the tragedy.
| It Is Truly Tragic What Happened To All Those People Caught In... ||Sep 13th. at 9:26:35 pm UTC|
|Marko Vujnovic (Belgrade, Yugoslavia) ||Age: 20 - Email |
It is truly tragic what happened to all those people caught in this accident. And not only for them, but it would seem everyone ine is USA is affected by it, one way or another. I really wish to express my condolences to al lthose whose relatives and loved ones are hurt or missing.
However, one thing is really bugging me about this, and I hope you won't get it the wrong way. I live in Belgrade, and I was born here. I lived thru something quite simmilar to what happened in New York and Washington, so I know how everyone feels. The only differance was that bombing that was happening around me lasted for more than 70 days, and all that time, every single night. I was able to watch on CNN how "American peace figters" lift off from Aviano in Italy, fly over here safely, drop a couple hundred bombs and then return to take their evening snack. At least you people in USA are pretty sure it won't happen again anytime soon, and you can fight back. And what especialyl strikes me about all this is how everyone thought it was ok while it was happening in Belgrade, and when it happens in NY, whole world is offering condolences and help.
It's not my intention to start any political discussion, nor am I trying to place any blame on anyone. A human life lost is a human life lost, and nothing can possibly make it right. It scares me that someone is actually capable of sommiting such terrible attrocities. However, I hope that an average USA citisen can think about how people elsewhere are feelign when their 'peace fighters' go bombing other countries, for whatever reason.
Again, I hope no one took any offence, as none was intended.
Anyway, didn't anyone find it at leastr slightly weird that Bush was reciting Bible over the TV? I mean, that's like braking the civilisations most important achievement of the past century: keeping the state and the church separate.
Well, jsut my two cents... he's not my president anyway.
| It Has Been A Couple Of Days Since The Disaster And I... ||Sep 13th. at 9:36:56 pm UTC|
|Taliesin SpiritVoice (Commerce, Texas US) ||Age: 24 - Email |
It has been a couple of days since the disaster and I am still in a state of shock. My heart goes out to those who lost their lives and I pray that they have made it safely over to Tir na n'Og. I'm in Texas and I would love to meet with others or at least speak with others in this area who are a part of the pagan community. It is in times like these that it seems especially hard to be a solitary practitioner. It would help if I knew others in the area. Now is the time for us to come together and to support each other as we work toward helping to bring peace to our nation once again.
| I'm Still In Shock. My Father Works...worked In The Building Right... ||Sep 13th. at 9:44:46 pm UTC|
|Jessica (New York, New York US) ||Age: 17 - Email |
i'm still in shock. my father works...worked in the building right next to it...the building currently "swaying" and "buckling" and in dire danger of collapse. my mother works maybe a few more blocks east. i was in school when i found out--i was hysterical trying to get a hold of them, and when i couldn't, i was literally going out of my mind. my friends are still missing fathers. still more friends are missing fathers who are firemen. and there are the tens of thousands who must feel the same pain. it's all so surreal. i've had the "thousand yard stare" all night and all morning. manhattan skyline without the Twin Towers. what'm i going to do? i've been up there on the observation deck on at least 10 different occasions. i can't imagine NYC without it.
right now i don't even care about that. it's the effect--i feel so...for lack of a better word, violated. this is too close to home. it's completely different to read about this in the paper or to read about a war that happened decades or centuries ago in a textbook, it's another to have it happen less than half an hour's ride away at a place where i've known people, where i've visited almost yearly for the past decade. and knowing that it will never there again...that i will never see the two gleaming towers in the sunlight as i cross the ferry or as i walk down Broadway in Lower Manhattan. knowing that 50, 000 people on an average day work there. that 150, 000 tourists on an average day visit there. that SCHOOL CHILDREN go there on field trips. i don't even want to start thinking about the body count right now. the sight of the body bags outside the Pentagon was just so...disturbing. it's all very disturbing. i can't accept this...this is totally unacceptable. it's like a dream, a nightmare...except it's real.
| I Am Truly And Deeply Shocked Over What's Happened. All I Have... ||Sep 13th. at 9:50:14 pm UTC|
|Snowgrouse (Lahti, Finland, Finland) ||Age: 22 |
I am truly and deeply shocked over what's happened. All I have to say, after following all the conversations, is: DO NOT GIVE IN TO HATE. Do not descend down to the level of the terrorists, painting "The Enemy" as a faceless monster, no matter how easy and understandable it is in this situation. Dualism, black-and-white thinking, separation into "us" and "them" is what caused this tragedy in the first place. Justice must be served, but a war is definitely not necessary. I urge others to remember this. When fighting monsters, take care not to become a monster yourself. Let this not become WW3, no matter what.
My husband is working for the British Ministry Of Defence and says that everybody there is fearing for their lives right now because of the terrorist threats. Suddenly everything that seemed important (work, studying, money) seems very trivial when all I want to do right now is to be with him, and hold him tight. But I'm 2100 miles away in Finland. All I can give is my love in the form of e-mail and phone calls and magic. I have to say I'm jealous at the people who can hold their loved ones and weep against their shoulders at this terrible time--you're lucky:).
I'm lighting up candles under an image of Kuan Yin. My prayers are with Lady Peace right now. Not just for America but for the whole world. Blessed be.
| I Am Also Wondering Why George Bush Was Praying On The Tv... ||Sep 13th. at 9:53:14 pm UTC|
|Golden Nimue (Houston, Texas US) ||Age: 15 - Email |
I am also wondering why George Bush was praying on the TV, when it is supposed to be a place of religious choice, but it is probably becuase he comes from Texas, and everyone here is Baptists, or most of them atleast. But that's not what worring me. If this happened to any other country (except maybe England), America wouldn't have done anything about it, why should we worry about it, it isn't our country, not our job to look after. We're supposed to be the leaders of the world, that's a joke. Since it's my (yes I'm an American) country, we have to pull every other country into this, and all because it's supposed to be 'the leading building in the world'. If we really don't care about the rest of the world, why are we trying to get everyone else involved by claiming that they were attacked too by this. To me, what's important, is not the fact that a building was bombed, it is the fact that there are now orphans out there, that lost their parents. If we get this whole thing into a war, then there will be more of them out there, not only in New York, but through the whole of America, England, and any other country in the world, that is drwan in.
| Saddened And Shocked By These Acts, I Still Struggle To Find A... ||Sep 13th. at 10:02:32 pm UTC|
|Shila Redwolf Winterborn (Nicolle) (Jacksonville, Florida US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
Saddened and Shocked by these acts, I still struggle to find a way to explain these events to my young daughter. I mourn for those who died and hope for those who may yet be found alive. The biggest struggle now is not give a knee-jerk reaction as some have suggested such as limiting freedom of speech, religion, and such. These actions will not help heal this country but futher tear us apart. Let us not blame all Islamic followers, most are just as outraged as we are.
What we all need to do to help prevent this from happening again is to ferret out those who masterminded it and punish them. Futher upgrade security at airports all over the country, not just for now but forever. This may take us longer to get to our planes and flights, but have you seen the security over seas... it's increadable! Do not depend on the government to prevent all attacks... much can be done ourselves, such as being aware and reporting suspicious activites to the athorities, taking all credable threats seriously, and finally, give blood on a regular basis, not just when a tragity strikes, that way the blood is there whenever it is called upon.
My final thoughts are that we should hope for the best and cope with the rest as this is far from over. As the Autumn Equinox approaches, let us remember those lives lost, be they christian, Islamic, Jewish, Pagan or Buddist, may they find peace now and come together to let these cowards know that we have a Patroit missle ready to ram it up thier A**! he he!
Bright blessing on us all and the God and Goddess be with you now!
| Repressing My Emotions Seems To Be Working Out For The Moment... I... ||Sep 13th. at 10:06:56 pm UTC|
|Svet (Detroit, Michigan US) ||Age: 17 - Email |
Repressing my emotions seems to be working out for the moment...
i don't feel prepared or ready to deal with the overwhelming depression, and empetheic pain that i will feel in a day or so...
I am only postponing my emotions...
they will stay sealed up tight until i find the time to deal with them..
until then life goes on...
for most of us.
I do however feel guilty for not wanting to help. I have a friend who said he'd be in NYC in a heartbeat if he could. I wouldn't. I would like to help, but i can't. I don't want to. Is that selfish of me... yes. I don't care. I just can't deal with it right now...
It sucks. Thats all i can say.
| Many Blessings, September 13,2001 My Thoughts Are Many As We Watch The... ||Sep 13th. at 10:10:44 pm UTC|
|Lady Magick (Louisville, Kentucky US) ||Age: 27 - Email |
Many Blessings, September 13, 2001
My thoughts are many as we watch the smoke still riseing and the buildings still falling. I am in a small sence still in shock and disbelief. I don't have ythe faintest idea how to explain this to my 10yr old son and to see his innosence broken angers me, his questions were few at first but now there is many. He asks me "Mommy, why do they hate us so much to kill all these people, why didn't they just tell us they were mad so we could say we're sorry"? It's little things like that that hurt me, I see the people on television looking and searching for family and freinds. I hear the stories of last time phone calls and it hurts deeper everytime.
I heard of 9 days of magick from an article emailed to me from about.com where all pagans are urged from Sep.11th for the next 9days to say something, anything to the Gods for these people and this country everynight at midnight EST. I have been doing that since I feel helpless any other way, just sitting here watching.
My Brighrest Blessings,
| Here Is A Little Poem I Wrote The Day After It Happened... ||Sep 13th. at 10:10:54 pm UTC|
|Melissa Lansford (Hot Springs, South Dakota US) ||Age: 15 - Email |
Here is a little poem i wrote the day after it happened
"A tragedy that shook us all"
A brand new day
It started like normal
It ended in tragedy~
Four planes hijacked
The American States Ambushed
By unneeded hatred.
For a price that needn't be paid
An Economical Challange.~
A brand new day
It started like normal
It ended in tragedy.
| First Off I Want To Say Thank You To Everyone Around The... ||Sep 13th. at 10:25:43 pm UTC|
|KN (New York City, New York US) ||Age: 22 - Email |
First off I want to say thank you to everyone around the world who is thinking of us here in New York. It's...surreal to say the least that our skyline...indeed how we percieve things has changed forever. I hope that one day acts like this will be a thing of the past...a memory that we can tell our great great grandchildren.
I don't really know what else to write...to say that my fiber has been shaking would be a gross understatement. I feel more sadness then rage...sadness because there are people in this world who would give no thought to the slaughter of innocents. I haven't allowed myself to grieve...how can I? There is too much to do..clean up our beloved city, give blood (I am type o negative so my type can be recieved by just about anyone), attempt to locate my friends ...and heal. Although will I ever truly heal I wonder.
I just felt that I needed to say something here...where I can read the thoughts and feelings of other pagans. That's all.
May the Lord & Lady bless you all,
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