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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

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As A Military Spouse, I Am Also Living With The "heightened Security... Sep 13th. at 10:30:18 pm EDT

Artemis Nemesis Stormphoenix (Dover, Delaware US) Age: 26 - Email

As a military spouse, I am also living with the "heightened security".

Our group, Celestial Circle, is holding a Healing Circle on Friday night at 7 p.m. For details and to attend, please email Artemis. Thank you.

Im Stunned To Think That Something Like This Could Happen In America... Sep 13th. at 10:59:24 pm EDT

BlueSky (Wallace, North Carolina US) Age: 22 - Email

Im stunned to think that something like this could happen in America. To think that people would try to tear apart our nation and think that they could get away with it is unbelivable to me. My thoughts go out to thoes that lost loved ones. They are the ones that lost in the end because they are the ones in pain and are missing thoes that they held dear. I do not agree with people that want to go to war but know that it is what will happen. I dont see how sheading more blood (there people and our people) will make up for the thousands of people that died. I belive that we should go after the people that where behind it but not go after a nation of people that had nothing to do with it. Hate leads to nothing more then more hate and I think that is the direction that the nation is heading. I dont agree with what the people did I think that they did a stupid and cowardly thing and should be punished to the full extint of the law. My the healing begain and my everyone find peace.

I Am Too Young To Have Experienced The Horror Of Pearl Harbor... Sep 13th. at 10:59:28 pm EDT

Karen (philadelphia, Pennsylvania US) Age: 38

I am too young to have experienced the horror of Pearl Harbor. I was born some twenty years too late. Unfortunately, I and my generation are unwilling witnesses to another, greater horror in the unprecedented, unprovoked attacks on Washington and New York. In all our collective experience, there is nothing to compare to this. All citizens of the world have suffered losses beyond measure in this tragedy - those American, British, Australian, Japanese and other families who lost friends and loved ones, but every country and nationality suffers the loss of human life, and humanity, as a result of this loathsome, pointless act. Our hopes, our thoughts, our prayers to whatever deity or power we believe in go out to them and for them in this darkest hour. Even the attackers have lost by their actions - lost their humanity, lost karmic ground, just lost. I am told they believe that their God will welcome them for what they've done. I think they have quite a surprise waiting for them. And their friends have quite a surprise coming to them on this earth, as well. We cannot allow ourselves to be bullied by faceless cowards. We must, and we will, come back stronger than before and rise above this tragedy. To do any less diminishes the memory of those we lost and lends credence to a madman's ravings.

Two Days Have Passed, And The Overwhelming Feeling Of Loss That Consumed... Sep 13th. at 11:05:17 pm EDT

Katrina (Vadnais Heights, Minnesota US) Age: 31

Two days have passed, and the overwhelming feeling of loss that consumed me on Tuesday has not subsided. And it may never do so. Even after the maniacs who committed these cowardly and dispicable acts are caught and brought to justice; it will be a long time before I feel at peace knowing so many innocent lives were taken in the name of some Holy War being "fought" against the U.S.. I find myself still crying and grieving for so many that I never knew, but ultimately were a part of my family here in America. And I will do so to show my respect for these lost souls.
I have prayed to the gods, and asked why this happened. And I've asked when will the pain go away? But I know it will not go away. Nor do I want it to. The pain I feel reminds me of so many that are gone. And the sympathy and compassion that I send out to their families, friends and other loved ones. Although I never knew them, I will never forget all those who perished. I will keep their spirits alive within me, and somehow the pain I feel will help me to do so. I can't explain this in a way anyone will truly understand. I just know that the feeling of loss pushes me to remember, honor and respect those who died in this horrible tragedy.

Whether The Taleban Was Responsible For The Attacks Recently Or Not, They... Sep 13th. at 11:09:55 pm EDT

Cinnamon (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 36 - Email

Whether the taleban was responsible for the attacks recently or not, they should stand accountable for their well known acts against humanity. The taleban have done the same to their own. They make weekly sport out of beating, torturing and amputating limbs from their own women and children.

If you doubt this one report from the washington post, do the research yourself on the plight in Afghanistan.

How has this been in our world since 1996 and the majority of world unaware?

Let all of us who seek a world of freedom unite against what can't be rationalized, justified or understood. Let us pagans, and all who have hope that the world can one day be a peaceful place for all people, despite their religious beliefs, join together in thought, ritual and prayer for those victims here in the US and those victims who have gone unrecognized.

This Was Written By Krystal Buckner, My 15 Year Old Daughter And... Sep 13th. at 11:19:42 pm EDT

Elizabeth Buckner (Columbus, Ohio US) Age: 38 - Email

This was written by Krystal Buckner, my 15 year old daughter and posted
with her permission.

Today In America
Written in Memory of the Lives Lost on September 11, 2001

God Bless America
For what we have yet to see
Take the souls that died today
Please sir, set them free

Lady bless the children
Who took this pain to heart
Let them hope for happiness
But prepare them to take part

Children all, go out and play
Laugh and be carefree
This won't end with just today
As we have all just seen

We must all get ready, now
Take arms against this foe
We will all stand together, now
Hand to hand, with all we know

Today in America
Thousands of lives changed
Today we are united
The young, the old, and strange

God bless America
And all the we now know
Keep the souls that are alive today
Please God, don't let go

Today in America
We wonder what will come
Tomorrow in America
Change has just begun

I Have Read Through Many Of The Posts And Feel I Must... Sep 13th. at 11:29:07 pm EDT

Rhiannon O'Myst (Edmonton, Alberta CA) Age: 16 - Email

I have read through many of the posts and feel I must say a few words. I live in Canada and upon hearing about this disgusting horrendous occurance in Social Studies class at 9:00AM mountain time, I was shocked and very frightened. I never conceived of this happening in North America, I thought things like this only happened in the Middle East and Third World Nations. But, I think everyone needs to be aware that no matter how horrid and appalling an event is, there are reasons for its occurance. There are reasons why Arab-extremeist would do this, and the reasons, when studied, are not as senseless as we would believe. Some people may think I am weird for saying these things because I am a white North American born Canadian patriot, but I think we need to see all sides of this tragedy. Arab terrorists come from areas of the world where freedom is oppressed beyond anything modern westerners can fully understand. These people have seen horrid things in there own nations, many consider life to be worthless because of what they have gone through. This may shock some of you, but it is the truth...western (mostly American) economic greed has caused starvation and much oppression in many areas of the world...including parts of the Middle East. Go, read history, see how western nations have supported foreign dictators and then decided to become enemies with them when they no longer had any economic advantages. Sadamm Huissen, Pinochet of Chile, the Iranian dictators, even Osama bin Ladin were all supported by the United States in the past. We must see the whole picture, we must strive for peace for everyone, but I also believe we must find the exact people who did this any bring them to justice. I think the people responsible (and only the people responsible) should be tried and convicted in the War Crimes Tribunal.

Love, and peace to all who will accept it,
Blessed be,
Rhiannon O'Myst

I Just Saw On The News That Jerry Falwell Blames Pagans, Abortionists... Sep 13th. at 11:34:32 pm EDT

Chasmodai (Las Vegas, Nevada US) Age: 41 - Email

I just saw on the news that Jerry Falwell blames Pagans, abortionists, gays and lesbians for "bringing on" the attack on our country.

Does this qualify as a hate crime? Making such a blatantly false and damaging remark in public?

I am fuming, boiling mad. First an unknown entity attacks our nation and our fellow citizens, and then that religious zealot blames us. He's no better than the people who attacked us, in my opinion.

Is there anything we can do about this?

I Just Saw On One Of The Little News Craws At The... Sep 13th. at 11:36:10 pm EDT

Kathleen (Denver, Colorado US) Age: 23

I just saw on one of the little news craws at the bottom of Fox News that Jerry Falwell has said that he blames pagans, abortionists and gays and lesbians for bringing this down on America. I find it beyond repulsive that a man who claims to be a man of god would point the finger of blame at anyone but the person or persons responsible for these heinous acts. The blame lies soley with the maniacs who willingly flew planes loaded with jet fuel and innocent people into occupied buildings.

I Am Stunned At The Viciousness Of This Attack. When I First... Sep 13th. at 11:38:18 pm EDT

Elvenblood (Newark, Delaware US) Age: 28 - Email

I am stunned at the viciousness of this attack. When I first heard the news I was driving to work and some one on the radio said something about an airplane hitting one of the towers. At first I thought it was a joke, or some stupid DJ's attempt at a story. Then they patched to a reporter from another station on the scene and it suddenly hit me....this is real. All I could do was sit in stunned silence with my mouth hanging open, watching the other drivers on the road and listening to the horrible news. Now I look back on that day and remember there was an odd silence on the road that day. No bass thumping from some rap song in someone's car. No conversations going on in the vehicles next to me at stop lights. No one speeding down the road to some important destination. Just a sea of quiet people under a blue Delaware sky on a perfect end of summer day.

Now I constantly think of the things I have seen and heard in the recent coverage of the attack. Things I will never forget like the man and woman who jumped out of one of the towers holding hands and the baby doll one of the rescuers pulled from the rubble. Every time I see another person interviewed on the tv looking for a loved one I think about how if I had taken a couple different turns in my life it could have been me staring into that camera pleading for my wife to come home safely. Or it could have been her pleading for me. It's a sobering thought.

What will become of the children who've lost their parents, the pets that no one is coming home to, the houses and apartments that stand empty, waiting for someone to turn on the lights. My heart goes out to those who are lost and to those who have lost. We will never forget you.

I Just Saw The Runner Across The Bottom Of The Tv Screen... Sep 13th. at 11:50:49 pm EDT

Frank Russell (Flagstaff, Arizona US) Age: 46 - Email

I Just saw the runner across the bottom of the TV screen on CNN. The Reverend? Jerry Falwell has publicly stated that Pagans, Gays, and Lesbians are the cause of the terrorist attacks in NY, and Washington. I don't believe that we should just sit back and allow this idiot to espouse his narrow-minded, hate filled opinions. At a time when love and compassion are the prime requisites for the American people as a whole what can we do to shut this worm up?

What Am I?i Am A Pagan, A Military Member, A Soon... Sep 14th. at 12:03:16 am EDT

Knight Hawk (Fairview Heights, Illinois US) Age: 25 - Email

What Am I?

I am a pagan, a military member, a soon to be father, and an american. The events of the past few days test the fabric of one's religious beliefs. Being a member of the military I never hoped for war. I pray for the safety of my comrads at arms and that we never half to test our military might.

The inconveinces of traffic backups that may take up to 30 minutes to get on base on slow days normally annoy and frustrate me. On Tuesday night (after working an 8 hour day) I reported back to work for a 12 hour shift with only 4 hours off. I spent 4 and a half hours in line waiting to get on base for the shift. I wasn't even remotely bothered. I couldn't wait to get on base to lend my help to the cause. But was very understanding of the increased security.

I want a war. For the first time, I am filled with the pride of our nation and can not wait until I can be a part of this effort! My religious beliefs prevent me from hurting (or killing) others, but I have NO reserve to ship out and be a part of the action.

This may sound violent and not typical of a pagan, but these are not normal times. What can we do as a society? Pray for the victims, the men and women at arms, ourselves, and those muslims who will be crusified over the next few weeks merely for their beliefs. I pray for them.

Anger, hate, rage... All emotions that shouldn't fill our hearts. To the terrorists... You won. You have managed to seriously damage the faith and will of thousands if not millions of Americans. For whatever sick, twisted reasons you have chosen to declare war on us, I hope you got what you wanted.

What's truely sad, some pagans hold the the belief of a law of three. How is the the rule of three enacted on someone who violently kills 5000 people and then dies themself? What's next? A nuculear bomb in LA?

I swore an oath to defend this nation against all enemies foreign and domestic... and I will...

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