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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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Spirit Of The Aircarry The Souls Of The Deceased To The... Sep 14th. at 6:54:35 am UTC

Mouse (Hamburg) Age: 33 - Email


Spirit of the Air
Carry the souls of the deceased to the Gods
And blow away the clouds of pain and anger from our minds

Spirit of Fire
Light the way for the souls of the deceased
And melt the ice that threatens to entomb our hearts

Spirit of Water
Wash away their pains
And heal our wounds, too

Spirit of Earth
Support them on their way
And give us strength as we live on

Lord and Lady
Embrace your children
And show us how to act wisely

So mote it be


In Response To This National Crisis, The Westwicke Center In Los Angeles... Sep 14th. at 6:54:55 am UTC

Rev. Nicolas Strathloch, H.P. (Beverly Hills, California US) Age: 50 - Email


In response to this National Crisis, The Westwicke Center in Los Angeles has set up an Emergency Information & Services Center Website.

The Address is: http://www.angelfire.com/home/WestwickeGrove/ECP.html

Please feel free to forward this link to anyone interested.

I know this is only a small way to help the community, but at least it is a start.

Blessed Be to All....

May The Lady and Lord Watch Over Us All.

Sincerely,
~Rev. Nicolas Strathloch, H.P.
Director, The Westwicke Center.


For Weeks I Felt That Something Was Amiss, What Is Was I... Sep 14th. at 7:16:51 am UTC

Aislin Deva (Carson City, Nevada US) Age: 23 - Email


For weeks I felt that something was amiss, what is was I didnŐt know but I knew it would be catastrophic. Others told me of similar anxious feelings and still we could not figure out what it was.
Then it hit.
And since then the world weeps.
Over the last couple of days, I like so many others, have been awash of emotions. I do not have any loved ones that have perished in this tragedy, but my heart weeps for all out there that have lost someone. There have been so many times the last couple of days that I have heard news that has made my heart swell. May the God and Goddess bless everyone that has donated these last couple of days, whether it be risking their lives to find survivors in the wreckage or as simple as rushing down to donate blood. It gives me a renewed sense of pride to be living in a county where there are people who are willing to pulling together in events such as these. There is so much evil in the world and it is refreshing to see that we can indeed counteract that evil with our willingness to give.
But I have also heard terrible things that made my skin crawl. When I read what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson said, it brought me to tears. How can someone be so hateful? How can these men sit there and point fingers at fellow Americans when the rest of the country is bound together in devotion to our fallen brothers and sisters? IŐve also heard rather vulgar racial slurs and seen segments on the news about hate crimes, and this too makes me weep. If a group of Americans go to a foreign country and commit a heinous crime, does that mean all Americans are to be blamed? And yet this is what we are doing. There are people that are American citizens that are being punished because of their religion or race. Are we going to sit back and allow this? The Pagan Community above all should understand this plight and I say that we pray for these victims as well.

Keep the feelings of love and giving!

May the God and Goddess Bless All


I Feel So Sorry For All The Children Whose Parents Died In... Sep 14th. at 7:38:50 am UTC

sorrel griggs (basingstoke, England UK) Age: 16


i feel so sorry for all the children whose parents died in the tradegy that happened on tuesday, i was so shocked by the news when i heard it, i thought of everyone in the world who has been affected during the three minute silence today, and i hope that it doesn't come to a state of war.


I Just Read The Exerpt From Jerry Fallwell And Pat Robertson's Broadcast... Sep 14th. at 7:46:35 am UTC

Mary Miller (Wixom, Michigan US) Age: 37 - Email


I just read the exerpt from Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson's broadcast yesterday. I had heard it mentioned on the news this morning as posed a question to the minister speaking on his thoughts of these two. He said in response that they needed to chose thier enemies wisely. This scares me for 2 reasons, one those are the words of Hitler in his autobiography Mien Kompf, and 2 he blamed the Pagans for this attrocity. I take great offense that they could actually say that America "probably deserved this". As if those 4000 plus people died in vain because we pissed off thier God??!!It is apalling that these "ministers" could use this as thier own podium to perpetuate their own hate and self serving interests. This Heathen family is bunking down for the long haul. I don't think that the Muslim community will be the only ones attacked, innocent or not, and I think if this continues, we could have an internal war to match the one that Bush is calling for. Shame on these two for perpetuating even more violence, and trying to destroy the freedoms that this country was so proud of preserving. They are truly two of the biggest idiots on the airwaves. Everyone has an opinion, and I do feel a quote from Voltaire was right when he said, " I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." If these two have thier way, they will begin another war on our own soil to perpetuate the Christian Right Wing. That I will not defend, nor condone. I say send these two over to Pakistan and let them view thier points there. Obviously, they didn't seem to think that they should be blamed, but decided to blame our own society and condemn the rights we all fought so hard for. My prayers and candles are lit for all the victims and all of the pagan community as well. Lets hope that this does not backlash and cause even more bloodshed because these two want to act like idiots.


Yesterday I Wrote The Following, And Last Night I Read It As... Sep 14th. at 7:58:56 am UTC

Eeluna (Hurricane, West Virginia US) Age: 41 - Email


Yesterday I wrote the following, and last night I read it as part of a ritual of
healing and hope.

Tonight we come here in shock. Our hearts and minds filled with horror at this terrible tragedy. But our spirits are strong, and we gather now to send healing
energy to those whose pain is even greater than our own.

To the families and loved ones of those who are missing or have died, we send comfort.

To those who may still be trapped in the rubble, we send hope.

To the rescue workers and medical personnel who are working tirelessly in such devestating conditions, we send strength.

To our leaders who must deal with the aftermath of this great tragedy, we send wisdom.

To those who are so angry and hurt they can think of nothing but revenge, we send peace.

To those who are so ignorant that they celebrate this evil, we send tolerance and compassion.

To all Americans, nay to all Humanity, who were shocked and horrified by these senseless and inhumane acts of hatred and violence, we send comfort, hope, strength, wisdom, peace, tolerance, compassion and most of all LOVE!

So that the rescue work may continue as well as possible, we ask that the rains be soft and the winds mild. We ask that the Sun shine with gentle warmth and bright light to guide the hands of those who search.

So that further tragedies may be avoided, we ask that the rescue workers find any who are still alive as quickly as possible and that no others are hurt or injured in the process.

So that justice is served, we ask that the criminals who perpetuated these vile acts swiftly meet the fate they have so well wrought.

So that some good can come from this great tragedy, we ask that the People of Earth realize that whatever our nationality or religious beliefs, we are all truly ONE PEOPLE. Let us come together and work for a future in which all children can feel safe and loved.


Dear Fellows,myself And My Family Send You Our Brightest Blessings. We... Sep 14th. at 8:09:42 am UTC

elder greenman (hartlepool, England UK) Age: 42 - Email


dear fellows, myself and my family send you our brightest blessings. we wish you strenth wisdom and compassion. I am just a novice but ihope that our familys love and strenth will reach you in this sad time. I will hold you in my thoughts as i light this candle. Bright blessings. elder greenman


As I Sit Here Preparing For Today And Getting My Candles Ready... Sep 14th. at 8:27:15 am UTC

Jennifer & Norman (Memphis, Tennessee US) Age: 23 - Email


As I sit here preparing for today and getting my candles ready I can't help but think about the ones that can't light candles. So for today I will light a candle for Tower One, Tower Two, The Pentagon, And I will light a candle for all those that can't light one....

Least we forget what happened this day....
September 11, 2001...

and I hope out of this we will remember for the future generations..

At this moment I love each and everyone of you.....

When you light your candles and say your prayers don't be sad these people that died changed our world and our lives.....

From The Jeter House Hold....In Remembrance


This Tragedy Has Affected Us All. As A Canadian, I Am Stunned... Sep 14th. at 8:45:06 am UTC

jenny mougenel (toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 24


this tragedy has affected us all. as a canadian, i am stunned and sadened by the loss of lives in the united states. humanity itself was attacked, as was freedom and democracy. as a pagan, i pray for the souls of those lost, and as an enraged north american, i pray that he perpetrators of this terrible crime reap everything that they have sown. blessed be, blessed be, blessed be.


I Remember The Night Before The Attack, I Couldn't Sleep, I Was... Sep 14th. at 9:32:59 am UTC

Dracoa (Stafford, Virginia US) Age: 21 - Email


I remember the night before the attack, I couldn't sleep, I was up all night. Thinking back I probally knew something was wrong. At about the time of the first crash I finally got to bed and fell asleep, later one after I finally awoke, I came downstairs, the TV was on. At first I couldn't believe it, it had to have been a prank or a joke of some sort, if only that wish were true. I'm still in shock at what happened, this being 72.5 hours later, I'm still upset at the needless loss of life, I'm still angry at the people, no, not people, people couldn't have done this sort of thing, monsters, I'm still angry at the cold heartless monsters who would do this, I still wish I could be with the families who lost loved ones, I still wish a speedy recovery for the injured, I still hope and pray that all are found in the ruins of the World Trade Center, but most importantly, I still hold on to my only dream in life, that dream is that all people of all faiths come together in peace.

May the Gods watch over us all.


Dear Friends (permit Me?):when I Saw In Real Time On Cable... Sep 14th. at 9:44:06 am UTC

Fedelynn (Quezon City, Philippines) Age: 36 - Email


Dear Friends (permit me?):

When I saw in real time on cable TV what had happened to New York last Monday, I was horrified. Those were acts of Evil...I kept thinking to myself as the towers collapsed, "No matter how much you hate a nation, you don't do stupid, evil things like that. You don't sacrifice innocent people." But then, if one's well-blinded by hate as the suicide bombers were, one can almost do anything bad.

Besides the above, I just want to say that I stand with you, guys, through your days of grief...Since Monday, I felt restless, not knowing what I should do about the tragedy. I kept thinking that it has something to do with white candles, but I do not know enough about Wicca (still dithering!) to be confident enough about shedding grief, giving long-distance, spiritual comfort (to the workers and families and friends of victims), or do banishing acts against terrorism...I kept getting the idea that I should search the Net for what other Pagans are doing. Had not found anything right for me until I stumbled onto your site (via HPs. Currott's site) and read Mouse of Hamburg's prayer ("Spirit of the Air, carry the souls of the deceased to the Gods..."). I felt a rush of gratefulness. I had found my prayer! Thanks so much for this!

I also read something about what the Reverends Falwell and Robertson have said. I think after Mouse's Prayer, I'll try to make one asking for protection from prejudices against Pagans and Arab-Americans....Uhmmm, should you or anyone of the Readers know of any prayer or simple, simple rite which I can use for this, kindly let me know? It'll help. Thanks again.

P.S. What can I do if I feel hatred? How do I safely handle it? Have been searching the books, but not found anything satisfactory. Please.


I Received This Email Late Last Night. Although A Non-pagen Sent This... Sep 14th. at 9:55:34 am UTC

Flitterbye (LaWard, Texas US) Age: 41 - Email


I received this email late last night. Although a non-pagen sent this to me I see it as a very strong candle magic and encourage all to participate.

Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. (cst) step out your door, stop your car, or step
out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that
Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass
this to
everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the United
States quickly.
> >
The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.
> >
We need press to cover this-- we need the world to see.


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