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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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Yesterday I Wrote The Following, And Last Night I Read It As... Sep 14th. at 7:58:56 am UTC

Eeluna (Hurricane, West Virginia US) Age: 41 - Email


Yesterday I wrote the following, and last night I read it as part of a ritual of
healing and hope.

Tonight we come here in shock. Our hearts and minds filled with horror at this terrible tragedy. But our spirits are strong, and we gather now to send healing
energy to those whose pain is even greater than our own.

To the families and loved ones of those who are missing or have died, we send comfort.

To those who may still be trapped in the rubble, we send hope.

To the rescue workers and medical personnel who are working tirelessly in such devestating conditions, we send strength.

To our leaders who must deal with the aftermath of this great tragedy, we send wisdom.

To those who are so angry and hurt they can think of nothing but revenge, we send peace.

To those who are so ignorant that they celebrate this evil, we send tolerance and compassion.

To all Americans, nay to all Humanity, who were shocked and horrified by these senseless and inhumane acts of hatred and violence, we send comfort, hope, strength, wisdom, peace, tolerance, compassion and most of all LOVE!

So that the rescue work may continue as well as possible, we ask that the rains be soft and the winds mild. We ask that the Sun shine with gentle warmth and bright light to guide the hands of those who search.

So that further tragedies may be avoided, we ask that the rescue workers find any who are still alive as quickly as possible and that no others are hurt or injured in the process.

So that justice is served, we ask that the criminals who perpetuated these vile acts swiftly meet the fate they have so well wrought.

So that some good can come from this great tragedy, we ask that the People of Earth realize that whatever our nationality or religious beliefs, we are all truly ONE PEOPLE. Let us come together and work for a future in which all children can feel safe and loved.


Dear Fellows,myself And My Family Send You Our Brightest Blessings. We... Sep 14th. at 8:09:42 am UTC

elder greenman (hartlepool, England UK) Age: 42 - Email


dear fellows, myself and my family send you our brightest blessings. we wish you strenth wisdom and compassion. I am just a novice but ihope that our familys love and strenth will reach you in this sad time. I will hold you in my thoughts as i light this candle. Bright blessings. elder greenman


As I Sit Here Preparing For Today And Getting My Candles Ready... Sep 14th. at 8:27:15 am UTC

Jennifer & Norman (Memphis, Tennessee US) Age: 23 - Email


As I sit here preparing for today and getting my candles ready I can't help but think about the ones that can't light candles. So for today I will light a candle for Tower One, Tower Two, The Pentagon, And I will light a candle for all those that can't light one....

Least we forget what happened this day....
September 11, 2001...

and I hope out of this we will remember for the future generations..

At this moment I love each and everyone of you.....

When you light your candles and say your prayers don't be sad these people that died changed our world and our lives.....

From The Jeter House Hold....In Remembrance


This Tragedy Has Affected Us All. As A Canadian, I Am Stunned... Sep 14th. at 8:45:06 am UTC

jenny mougenel (toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 24


this tragedy has affected us all. as a canadian, i am stunned and sadened by the loss of lives in the united states. humanity itself was attacked, as was freedom and democracy. as a pagan, i pray for the souls of those lost, and as an enraged north american, i pray that he perpetrators of this terrible crime reap everything that they have sown. blessed be, blessed be, blessed be.


I Remember The Night Before The Attack, I Couldn't Sleep, I Was... Sep 14th. at 9:32:59 am UTC

Dracoa (Stafford, Virginia US) Age: 21 - Email


I remember the night before the attack, I couldn't sleep, I was up all night. Thinking back I probally knew something was wrong. At about the time of the first crash I finally got to bed and fell asleep, later one after I finally awoke, I came downstairs, the TV was on. At first I couldn't believe it, it had to have been a prank or a joke of some sort, if only that wish were true. I'm still in shock at what happened, this being 72.5 hours later, I'm still upset at the needless loss of life, I'm still angry at the people, no, not people, people couldn't have done this sort of thing, monsters, I'm still angry at the cold heartless monsters who would do this, I still wish I could be with the families who lost loved ones, I still wish a speedy recovery for the injured, I still hope and pray that all are found in the ruins of the World Trade Center, but most importantly, I still hold on to my only dream in life, that dream is that all people of all faiths come together in peace.

May the Gods watch over us all.


Dear Friends (permit Me?):when I Saw In Real Time On Cable... Sep 14th. at 9:44:06 am UTC

Fedelynn (Quezon City, Philippines) Age: 36 - Email


Dear Friends (permit me?):

When I saw in real time on cable TV what had happened to New York last Monday, I was horrified. Those were acts of Evil...I kept thinking to myself as the towers collapsed, "No matter how much you hate a nation, you don't do stupid, evil things like that. You don't sacrifice innocent people." But then, if one's well-blinded by hate as the suicide bombers were, one can almost do anything bad.

Besides the above, I just want to say that I stand with you, guys, through your days of grief...Since Monday, I felt restless, not knowing what I should do about the tragedy. I kept thinking that it has something to do with white candles, but I do not know enough about Wicca (still dithering!) to be confident enough about shedding grief, giving long-distance, spiritual comfort (to the workers and families and friends of victims), or do banishing acts against terrorism...I kept getting the idea that I should search the Net for what other Pagans are doing. Had not found anything right for me until I stumbled onto your site (via HPs. Currott's site) and read Mouse of Hamburg's prayer ("Spirit of the Air, carry the souls of the deceased to the Gods..."). I felt a rush of gratefulness. I had found my prayer! Thanks so much for this!

I also read something about what the Reverends Falwell and Robertson have said. I think after Mouse's Prayer, I'll try to make one asking for protection from prejudices against Pagans and Arab-Americans....Uhmmm, should you or anyone of the Readers know of any prayer or simple, simple rite which I can use for this, kindly let me know? It'll help. Thanks again.

P.S. What can I do if I feel hatred? How do I safely handle it? Have been searching the books, but not found anything satisfactory. Please.


I Received This Email Late Last Night. Although A Non-pagen Sent This... Sep 14th. at 9:55:34 am UTC

Flitterbye (LaWard, Texas US) Age: 41 - Email


I received this email late last night. Although a non-pagen sent this to me I see it as a very strong candle magic and encourage all to participate.

Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. (cst) step out your door, stop your car, or step
out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that
Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass
this to
everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the United
States quickly.
> >
The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.
> >
We need press to cover this-- we need the world to see.


It's Been A While Since I've Posted To A Pagan Site. Live... Sep 14th. at 9:56:42 am UTC

Nightmoss (London, England UK) Age: 21 - Email


It's been a while since I've posted to a Pagan site. Live has gone on quietly for me, with little of consequence, and I have been equally a quietly steadfast in my faith. I am Pagan, and I make little secret of it. But one side of my family is Muslim, and since Tuesday I have feared for them.

My point is this: No matter the deaths and the terror, no matter the losses that have been suffered, to see scenes of attacks on innocent Muslims will only further fan the flames of hate. The guilty are not walking openly amongst us - neither in the USA nor in my own country, the UK. It is only the innocent that stand out in the sunlight with the rest of us, the terrorists walk secretively, they lie and cheat and steal, and they do not care what happens to others. That is the cause of the tragedy that I can barely think about, let alone write about. I suppose I trying to say that, no matter how angry we are, it is better to find the perpetrators and deal a precise and efficient strike against them.

The world seems to be teetering on a systematic terror campaign against the Islamic world, and it is my respectful belief that this would be just as bad as what has so recently and terribly happened. Let us be firm and implacable by all means, but let us lose our caring for those who have done no wrong. Collateral damage is not, to my mind, acceptable. We must be better than that.

So for those of us who are pagans, who understand this tragedy in terms that are slightly different to the majority of the Western population, I ask this: Try to urge calm, try to encourage a rational, clear-headed approach to this horrendous tragedy. Without it we may well create a greater horror than has already occured.

Nightmoss


Fervent Call To Boston Area Pagans: Gathering On Sundayi Would Like... Sep 14th. at 9:59:53 am UTC

Pine Forest (boston, Massachusetts US) Age: 29 - Email


Fervent call to Boston Area Pagans: GATHERING ON SUNDAY

I would like to invite the pagan community to come together in peace, to raise energy together on Boston Common, Sunday September 16, 2001 at 9am. This is not a political rally, or a spiritual protest. This is a healing project, one that is sorely needed. Leave your politics at home.

Falwell doesn't voice the mind of a nation. Hate and fear are our enemies, not any one man or group of people. We need to set an example - for each other, for our city, for our country.

I read in a post that a pagan took exception to the President's invocation of God in his various public sentiments. I say to this, that if we want our way of life respected we must respect others. His perception of God does not harm my perception of divinity, nor do I feel he denies me my perception of divinity. He speaks as a man who finds comfort in his chosen path. So should we. Hate is divisive, hate destroys. THAT is our true enemy; One that every person whatever their faith can destroy if we look past the dogma and see the humanity present around us.

As a pagan, my religion was not represented on the podium at City Hall Plaza last evening. I went anyway. There was no high priestess or priest reciting Redes or prayers, and I needed none there, truthfully. I said my own prayer. I was struck by the beauty of the other faiths presented - in fact, the Islamic prayer washed over me so poignantly I began to cry, and I didn't even understand the words. I understood the heart, and the pain of another soul looking for succor in the only way they knew to ask for it, according to their tradition. And so did the atheist standing next to me.

This is why I ask you all now to come. We pagans may think ourselves pariahs in a nation of popular monotheism, but no matter. We may not even agree with each other's own take on pagan worship. No matter. This tragedy should finally make us look past the flavors of faith, and witness the basic humanity that surrounds us. People are out there shaken and suffering. There may even be spirits of the deceased that are lost, even now, and in anguish. Let us stop worrying about the Christian Right Wing, forgive them their narrowness, enlarge our hearts and begin working on the very real, widespread psychic damage that has resulted from this unspeakable horror. Doctors can mend bodies and minds. We can mend spirit. Please, come with me and help mend the tatters of America's psyche. Blessed Be to all, whatever your path, in the dark days that lie ahead.


Bright Blessings,i Have Cried So Many Times. I Cannot Understand How... Sep 14th. at 10:02:54 am UTC

Julie Rutgers (Fayetteville, North Carolina US) Age: 30 - Email


Bright Blessings,

I Have cried so many times. I cannot understand how onc can justify such actions. I send my love and peace out to the world. And I hope are nations leaders act with widom and logic and not anger or revenge. I am proud of my fellow Americans how they have worked together in the aftermath of this tragedy. And I hope that the few who have chosen to act out against Muslims see past their anger and see that all Muslims are not to blame.
Thank you to who posted Mr. Falwells email address. He may not read my email, but i got my anger out.

Love and light,
Julie


Apologies For The Second Post But......the New York And New Jersey... Sep 14th. at 10:09:00 am UTC

Ciarrai (North Plainfield, New Jersey US) Age: 34 - Email


Apologies for the second post BUT...

...the New York and New Jersey Red Cross need two things: blood and monetary donations. The non-perishables are appreciated but the news reports here cannot stress enough that they really could use the donations right now so the funds can be dispersed as needed. I don't have cable TV so I can only get the New Jersey Network (NJN) which is showing mainly NYC's Eyewitness News on Channel 7 here (NYC's ABC Affliate) but the NJN people cannot stress enough: blood and money.

I will light my candles tonight w/ many of the suggestions from you. I will sit on my balcony from my apartment complex and face where the towers were, where they could be seen in the distance, and send out all the positive energy I can.

Gods Bless America and Blessed Be Well!

Here's some tips on how you can help sent to me from a friend:

***********************************

Disaster response: How you can help

From donating blood to providing tips and info to the FBI, here are ways you
can help.

To donate blood, call the Red Cross at 1-800-GIVE-LIFE or America's Blood
Centers at 1-888-BLOOD-88 to schedule an appointment.
To donate money to the Red Cross for assisting victims of the attacks, call
1-800-HELP-NOW.
To donate to the United Way fund to help the victims of Tuesday's attacks
and their families, call (212) 251-4035.
To make donations to the Salvation Army for helping the victims, call
1-800-SAL-ARMY.
To provide tips and information to the FBI about these attacks, visit
http://www.ifccfbi.gov.

Find Family and Friends

Important Numbers
Hotline for families seeking information about victims and survivors:
1-800-331-0075

American Airlines
1-800-245-0999

United Airlines
1-800-932-8555

Greater NY Health Organization is helping to locate family members and
accepting reports of missing persons.
- status of family members: 212-560-2730
- to report a missing person: 212-560-8029

The Pentagon has asked personnel to call the following numbers to be
accounted for:
- Navy & Marine Personnel: 877-663-6772
- Army Personnel: 800-984-8523

Family members of military personnel seeking information should call
1-800-984-8523 (Army), 1-877-663-6772 (Navy and Marine Corps.),
1-800-253-9276 (Air Force).


Although The Happenings Of Tuesday Were Horrible I Believe They Could Have... Sep 14th. at 10:15:30 am UTC

Rye (Lothian, Maryland US) Age: 15 - Email


Although the happenings of tuesday were horrible I believe they could have been easily prevented. Were talking about 4 hijackers on each plane to about 60 passengers none of hijackers had firearms so they could have been easily stopped. I think that it was just out of plain fear that the people of those flights did not react as the people of the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. This goes to show you how religion can be twisted to cause evil instead of good. I just wish that everyone could be peaceful and one with eachother and realize that nothing will ever come of earth until we have reached unity.


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