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Question of the Week: 62 - 10/15/2001
What Are Your Thoughts On The Current "War on Terrorism"?
On Sunday, the United States, Britain and the NATO Coalition launched the first overt military strikes against targets in Afghanistan. Do you agree or disagree with this action? As the United States continues to build a worldwide coalition of nations to fight a 'war on terrorism', what are your thoughts on the current military buildup, 'war on terrorism' can be effective? Does it worry you that no 'end' to such a program has been defined? Are you satisfied with the amount of information that the public has been given on the operations? What sort of outcome would YOU like to see? NOTE: This is a very emotionally charged topic. Like all segments of society, Pagans can be liberals or conservatives, hawks or doves.
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| I Am A Lone Voice In This Topsy Turvy Widerness. What Terrorism... ||Oct 11th. at 8:53:04 pm UTC|
|Jude lamb (Bath. England., England UK) ||Age: 42 - Email |
I am a lone voice in this topsy turvy widerness.
All hail to the power of the individual against the heart of the machine.
All these men calling up their machine gods.
Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all masculine gods. Their worship is of phallic images. The holy trinity of money, war and power.
Someone struck at the heart of the evil empire. Does it matter who did it?
This is about symbols...the whole thing has been, right from the beginning.
This is about the reasserting the power of the individual and striking at the heart of the machine.
Have you people lost your souls?
What about Seattle and Genoa?
Are you really so in thrall to this fraudulent government you have that you have forgotten the shame your own country carries?
Take a step back and shake off that blood lust... Please.
England has suffered thirty years of US sponsored terrorism.
Afghanistan is a land of rare purity and honour. They have never invaded anyone... And beaten off anyone who has tried to invade them.
Beware. Their power is in their integrity. The cowerds are the ones who use the pilotless drones and cruise missiles to murder innocent people from the safety of thousands of miles away. Until you see the Pamirs scrape the stratosphere, you will never understand. Already the passes are closed by the snows.
| I Agree With The Action, My Only Exception Is Why Did So... ||Oct 11th. at 10:57:42 pm UTC|
|Daphne Schiff (Waukesha, Wisconsin US) ||Age: 38 - Email |
I agree with the action, my only exception is why did so many have to die in order for our leaders to act. I think and feel this sort of violence can only be curtailed with more violence, the people who have committed these acts of violence have already shown they will not stop until they are dead, and nowhere in any religion be it allah, christ, the god/goddesses, budda, etc. that I have heard is violence ok. So this is the dilemma on many minds I am sure. Our own government has more secrets than there are stars in the sky. You can not make me believe they did not know this was going to happen. There are too many people from other countries consistently let loose to enjoy the "freedoms" we as americans enjoy, our forefathers have died and fought for us to have. Yes I am angry that such a folly has come to pass. I am angry that so many gave their lives to the ravings of a lunatic, these people are brainwashed and confused. I am angry that so many died so this fanatic could make a statement. I would like to see that no more are allowed in our country, that all who are here are closely watched, and/or deported and have america take care of america's people and stop worrying over other people who have the ability to take care of themselves, this is obvious by the way they managed to pull off the biggest catastrophe to date. I am sorry for all the wives, mothers, husbands and fathers who will never see their children grow or even grow old with their spouses. I pray that our government will do the right things from here on out to ensure all of us are safe.
| When I First Heard The News I Was More Shocked Than Anything... ||Oct 11th. at 11:44:46 pm UTC|
|Diane Anderson (Kingsland, Georgia US) ||Age: 39 |
When I first heard the news i was more shocked than anything else, however after the shock came the anger. With the anger, came the desire for revenge.
After the anger and shock was over, I realized that being on the Pagan Path that I really should not wish for the revenge. I remembered that what goes out comes back three-fold.
Now I am actually upset that precautions were not taken earlier, when the embassy bombings happened. I understand that the goverment did trace the terroists, however the frozen bank accounts and tracking down of mbrs of Bin Laden's group should have been done then, not after the attack on the Towers and Pentagon.
I was also upset about the attack on alot of the Arab-Americans.
I'm saddened that it has to come to this, however am satisfied with the information provided by the goverment. Sometimes the Media plays too big a part in overseas operations.
| I Believe, Quite Simply, For All Things There Is A Season, And... ||Oct 12th. at 9:07:22 am UTC|
|Raven Prince (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) ||Age: 20 |
I believe, quite simply, for all things there is a season, and now has come the season of death and destruction. The world is being torn apart. The US must defend itself, the Muslims feel they must avenge themselves, most of the world turns a blind eye until somehow they get caught up in the mess. All I know is, I'm a pacifist and peacemaker, and all is not right in the world right now: the lives of American citizens have been treated as meaningless on all sides, and our right to defend ourselves has been questioned, a frightening new cabinet post has been created ("Homeland" Security sends a chill down my spine), a new and extremely vague definition of terrorism has been created (rather than a terrorist being one who uses terror to achieve his means, a terrorist is now defined as one who "lashes out", sounds frighteningly vague to me), new wiretapping and seizure powers have been granted that almost erradicate our freedom of privacy (thanks to the new seizure powers granted, you can have everything seized from you if you ever belonged to any group that the Government now or will in the future consider to be supporting terrorism, even if they weren't or aren't, and if even one member of an organization you belong to does support terrorism even entirely on their own and with no one else's knowledge, your entire organization can now be held accountable. Who is this war really against? The war is against freedom, but both sides are now trying to destroy freedom. I don't like this war on terrorism at all: I don't like how it's been handled, I don't like the blurring of the line between terrorists, criminals, and law-abiding citizens, I don't like the attacks upon our civil rights, nor the fact that certain forces have taken advantage of this act to push for rapid globalization, to destroy civil rights, and to smear the lines of national loyalties (I don't care what they say, my loyalism is to my country before the United Nations, I am proud to be an American). This is a bad situation, and whatever the President may assure us about this military campaign only lasting a year or two, you can bet more likely that this is the beginning of World War III, and that before this is all over it may very well be U.S. vs. The World. The International Community treats our nation like a backwards 3rd-world country, and if they continue to do so we may soon find ourselves standing alone, relying entirely upon one another, as we once did long ago when our Forefathers defended this land from those who would try to subvert our freedoms. It is not in our nature to have freedom denied to us, and we are still of the same blood as those great men and women who founded this nation. My final message: hope for the best, plan for the worst, and be ready to stand up and defend-by arms or words or honorable deeds-the honor, integrity, and liberty that America was founded upon. Do not mistake this for a clear-cut good vs. evil scenario, we must be eternally vigilant against all those who would threaten our liberties (it's a good time to start voting, writing letters to political representatives, becoming active in one way or another for the cause of freedom, do not sit back and let others defend freedom for you or you might be surprised how quickly the rug can be pulled out from under you).
| The Terrorists Responsible For The Sept. 11 Tragedies Are Not Politically Aware... ||Oct 12th. at 12:27:41 pm UTC|
|SGIWizard (St. Louis, Missouri US) ||Age: 35 |
The terrorists responsible for the Sept. 11 tragedies are NOT politically aware rebels desperately fighting against imperialism and injustice. They are dangerous psychopaths using social and political issues to act out their unbalanced rage and aggression. A mentally and spiritually sane person does not crash a plane into a building and kill thousands of innocent people to protest US government policy. Bin Laden and his followers are best understood in terms of a cult mentality, not much different from the Heaven's Gate members in their unquestioning devotion to a leader and their willingness to believe anything that leader tells them, to commit any act that leader commands, and as a Taliban chief recently put it, to "crave death as much as [others] crave life." Is believing that killing US citizens will lead to a place in paradise, where you are served by a bevy of eternal virgins, any less crazy than thinking that your suicide will take you to a spaceship flying behind the Hale-Bopp comet? US foreign policy mistakes are not responsible for that mentality, and as Pagans we should bear in mind that such irrational destructive insanity goes against everything we stand for.
I agree that the US government has made serious foreign policy errors in the past, and the Bush administration can be counted upon to use this situation to its advantage. We got ourselves entangled in a lot of s*** out of fear of communism, and we would have supported the Boston Strangler during the Cold War if he had said he was against the Soviets. We should also be vigilant against the Bushies trying to push through policies that the American people would normally not accept. Concerning a military strike against bin Laden and the Taliban, however, those issues are "right but not relevant." We should not hold foreign fundamentalists to a lower standard than we hold our own government, or even our homegrown fundamentalists. We would never make the mistake of excusing Falwell and Robertson's hateful remarks/actions as an understandable reaction to "repression" by government secularism; why then should we look for political excuses to explain away foreign fundamentalists' views? It is impossible to reason with a cult leader who demands the death of his followers and wants to turn the entire world into a graveyard. Bin Laden can present an entire laundry list of reasons for killing 6, 000 innocent people from more than 60 different countries, but those reasons do not exist in a sane reality. Even though peace is ALWAYS the best option, men like bin Laden, Atta and Alomari have no interest in peace. They would kill an American peace demonstrator without a second thought, regardless of how many "Violence Begets Violence" signs she's holding up. So although bombing Afghanistan may be distasteful to us, we have to remember that the terrorists' agenda is NOT to force a change in US foreign policy, or to give people in the Middle East a better life. I never thought I'd be quoting George Bush, but whoever wrote that first speech was right on target when they said that one only has to look at Afghanistan to see the Taliban's vision for the rest of the world. No, the terrorists' goals are to find an outlet for their hatred and rage, to impose their twisted social views on the rest of the world and to obliterate Americans -- like us Pagans -- people whose very existence is an affront to the distorted system they live by. This is an unpleasant truth, but we have to face it. Where would we have gotten by appeasing Hitler? He would have crushed us under his heel the first chance he got. Faced with this, we have no choice but to strike back at the perpetrators. Hopefully the outcome will be a renewed global realization that fundamentalist violence and repression -- from any religion or culture -- will not be tolerated in today's world.
| I Don't Claim To Know Whether All This Military Action Is Necessary... ||Oct 12th. at 1:09:09 pm UTC|
|Megan (Sarasota, Florida US) ||Age: 19 - Email |
I don't claim to know whether all this military action is necessary or not. I don't claim to have a better solution. I just know that when I watch the news I feel very uneasy. I don't feel like everything is being said. They're dropping food packets to compliment their bombs--I suppose that should make us as humanitarians feel better. But it doesn't. The news doesn't say that the numbers don't match up: they don't say that they don't have enough food to feed all of the starving people, not enough to keep that operation going for long. There is no guarantee that the food is getting to the people who need it. I don't see that dropping bombs or food will make any difference. This government hasn't proven to me, a citizen and voter, that this cause--this war--is going to serve its purpose.
I'm waiting for someone to stand up in the middle of one of the president's speeches and say, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm an American too and I don't think that this is right."
I was eight when the Gulf War started, living on and Army base in Germany. My aunt got deployed. Her husband. Another uncle. Many friends of our family and family members of my school friends. Everybody I knew had a relative in the desert in Saudi.
I remember that we had to start locking our doors when the war started. We had to start screening who went in and out of our apartment buildings because everyone was afraid of terrorists. The building where I lived was across the street from the elementary school and both buildings were next to the train tracks, seperated by a chain-link fence. I remember one day while we were all at recess, there was a dark-skinned man standing on the other side of the fence by the tracks and watching us play. He wore an orange reflector vest, trying to look like he belonged, I suppose. But he just stood there watching us. And the teachers called all of the children away from the sand pit and the swings and the monkey bars and told us not to go into the sand or near the fence, to stay on the tarmac. And they called the military police who came and took the man away after all we children went back to our classrooms. They didn't tell us what happened, just that they wanted to be sure that he wasn't a terrorist.
I remember my family members making fun of Saudi and of Saddam. I remember when my uncle returned, he brought home one of those head covers like you would see Saddam or Yassir Arafat wear on television and they would make fun of them and get drunk and laugh and use language that I didn't understand because I was only eight years old.
I remember what it feels like to wonder when family members are going to come home. To wonder where they are, what they're doing. I wondered if my uncle was blowing things up with tanks. I wondered if my aunt, who is a nurse, saw any dead people or people with missing limbs like in the movies.
I remember how anti-climactic it all felt when it was 'over' and when everybody came home. But not everybody came home--everybody from my family came home but not everybody from everybody else's family came home. I remember that even though the war was 'over' my parents still came home from work every night talking about it. They never stopped talking about it until they retired and Saddam Hussein drifted out of the news and out of their cares and everyone seemed to forget about Operation Desert Storm or what the war had been about.
I don't remember it ever really ending. I don't remember feeling that war was 'over' just that I wasn't supposed to worry about it anymore.
I guess I know now that you should never stop worrying about it. I guess now, I am looking forward at our current situation and saying, "I don't think it's going to end." Even though the voices on television--our leaders--promise an end, they promise conclusion and resolution, they promise revenge, they promise victory. I don't believe that any of these promises are real. I'm still waiting for someone to fulfill the broken promises that they made during the Gulf War. The promise that when it was all over everybody would come home and we would live happily ever after. I have no reason to believe that this 'war on terrorism' will 'end' any differently.
I feel like we're reliving a more terrifying version of the past. Is there a better way to handle this? I don't know. But I do feel that these actions are hasty and ill-planned. I do not feel that justice is being served and I do not feel that the public has been given sufficient information to make any sound judgement. I feel like we've all had flags stuffed into our fists and been told to smile, nod, and cheer for our country or else. I feel like this 'war' is quickly becoming more about the ego or America than it is about the innocent lives that have been lost.
| Terrorism Is A Method Of What's Known As Asymmetric Warfare, A Concept... ||Oct 12th. at 1:16:55 pm UTC|
|Don Branum (Montgomery, Alabama US) ||Age: 26 - Email |
Terrorism is a method of what's known as asymmetric warfare, a concept which dates back to Sun Tzu. Any method of asymmetric warfare aims to hit the enemy where his defense is weakest. There're several minor differences between terrorism and other means of asymmetric warfare, though. . . and one crucial difference.
The ultimate objective of a conventional war is to render one's opponent unable to wage war. This was one of our objectives in Iraq, and it is our chief military objective in our attacks against Taliban forces.
The ultimate objective of terrorist activity is to breed fear and unrest, and to undermine support for the government it opposes through that fear and unrest. The deaths of innocents help fuel this, certainly, but their lives--and their deaths--are irrelevant to the terrorist's aim.
The deaths of nineteen "martyrs" and five thousand "infidels" have made millions of people afraid to board an airplane. If nothing else, my majickal friends, think of the power gained from that sort of fear.
Osama bin Laden understands that fear paralyzes. He expects us to bow, just as Emperor Hirohito expected us to bow in 1941. But bin Laden fails to understand that fear, in the heart of American citizens, soon transforms itself into powerful and just action.
It's okay to be afraid. Fear is half of the formula for courage. The other half is saying, "I will not allow my fear to deter my Will."
Our collective refusal to yield to fear will be our greatest victory over terrorism. Let us pledge ourselves to courage in whatever path we may follow; may we take our steps as quickly or slowly as we must. But may we never change our course on account of a bully.
| When The News Broke Sunday Night That We Were Bombing Afghanistan, I... ||Oct 12th. at 2:34:42 pm UTC|
|firstname.lastname@example.org (Cape Canaveral, Florida US) ||Age: 34 - Email |
When the news broke Sunday night that we were bombing Afghanistan, I cried myself to sleep. My frustration at hating war yet seeing no other alternative, my hatred of Al Quaida and the Taliban for their extremist, repressive views, my sympathy for the common Afghani all boiled within me. I couldn't think of a good way to explain what we were doing to my children. I am proud to be an American, but I was not proud of the action.
As the Taliban began to make more and more outrageous statements, I began to see the beauty of Al Quaida's choice of operational base. It was designed to make us look like thugs. "You have killed 170 civilians - you are targeting civilians, " they cried. Think about this for a minute. Either they're lying through their teeth, or we've done a spectacular job. Look at these stats on the population of Afghanistan:
Population: 26, 813, 057 (July 2001 est.)
Age structure: 0-14 years: 42.2% (male 5, 775, 921; female 5, 538, 836)
15-64 years: 55.01% (male 7, 644, 242; female 7, 106, 568)
65 years and over: 2.79% (male 394, 444; female 353, 046) (2001 est.)
According to the same website, Afghanistan is 647, 500 km sq. in size. That converts to just under 250, 000 sq. miles, or about the size of Texas. According to the Census Bureau, in July of 2000, the population of Texas was 20, 851, 820. (To international readers - sorry, I just really felt we as Americans needed a bit of perspective we could relate to) Imagine for a moment dropping bombs on the state of Texas for five days. Even if there were no civilian targets, how many civilians would be hit? 170? And to say that we're hitting the elderly. . .as far as I can tell, that's pretty unlikely, considering the nice job of hitting them the Taliban already did themselves. 12.61% of the U.S. population is age 65 or older; only 2.79 of Afghan citizens have reached that age. The life expectancy there is 46.
In discovering this information, I have finally figured out why this campaign must occur. First, a powerful, psychopathic troop of terrorists are there, holding up women, children, the old, the dying, and the infirm as human shields. I pity the shields, too, but I just can't stand by and let them be used this way! The terrorists chose this location in part because of the humanitarian quagmire they knew this would engender, and because they knew international sentiment would falter when the U.S. attacked such a defenseless target. We didn't choose the target. Al Quaida, in conjunction with the Taliban, chose the target as coolly as a chess player contemplating his next move. Second, the irony is just too much -- Al Quaida is attacking Americans because of their disapproval and distrust of U.S. policy and presence in the Middle East, and in order to fight back we HAVE to have a Middle Eastern base of operations. So, Al Quaida tells us to get out of the Middle East, and then purposely lures us there. . .so they can attack again, and again, and again. . .because we're still there. Finally, the Taliban and Al-Quaida have effectively killed Afghanistan already. But since we're there now, they have someone to pin the deaths on, point their fingers at, shift the blame to.
Now, the REAL irony here is that our presence, and after hearing Bush's stance on "nation stabilization" last night I truly believe this to be so, will save Afghanistan. We're in a real spot as far as humanitarians go. I don't know how many people know this, but bin Laden is an Ivy League graduate with a degree in civil engineering. Part of the reason he can hide so effectively in Afghanistan is because he has a network of bunkers and tunnels through and under the mountains and the countryside. That's why the "bunker breakers" came out - to destroy the hiding places built for exactly this day. So we're bombing the living daylights out of the countryside, and still eager to save the people who live there. We probably should have pulled out of the Middle East decades ago, but we didn't out of oil-lust. The irony is that now we're there for the right reasons, and many people don't realize that. How to get out of it? Stay. Do what we have to do. Occupy Afghanistan. Help them rebuild. Feed them, teach them, immunize them. Give them the much-needed wheelchairs referred to in Tamim Ansary's Q059 post. Teach them again to support themselves, and protect them while they set up their own government. Let them hate us as they need to, but keep extending the hand of generosity until they realize they're not going to be hurt again.
The image that made me come to this realization is one concerning a co-worker with cancer. She's undergone weeks of chemotherapy, lost her hair, grown thin. But she's alive, and without the chemo, she wouldn't be. The evils done in Afghanistan are like a cancer, and there's no way to eradicate the cancer (the Taliban and Al Quaida) without doing great damage to the land they occupy. But if we don't, and I'm truly sorry we didn't before now, Afghanistan will die, just as my friend would have. So to help them is going to hurt -- a lot.
That's also why we might need to move the offensive to other theatres. What do rats in a sinking ship do? Jump, and swim for the next thing that floats, and that's just what Al Quaida will do. When Afghanistan is inhospitable, they will find the next most likely port in a storm, and set up their bases there. And we will find them, and do this again, for as long as it takes. That's why there's no easily-defined war, no end goal. I'm not really comfortable with that either, but I just haven't heard any pacifist, from Thay on down to those who post here, come up with a realistic solution. As Reagan said, there's just no negotiating with terrorists. (If anyone reading has a solution, I'd really love to hear it and converse with you -- convince me, and I'll become your biggest, loudest supporter.)
That's why it's most important now to do the right things for the right reasons, to support our military, to cast protective circles and spread white light as far as it will go. Really, white light and protection can't hurt no matter what you want for the future or the present.
Blessed Be, as always.
| I Believe In Divine Power; Not From Any God Or Goddess And... ||Oct 12th. at 2:45:59 pm UTC|
|Quizat S'Hadorak (Grand Rapids, Michigan US) ||Age: 31 |
I believe in divine power; not from any God or Goddess and human could conjure in his or her min, but a divine power void of gender and limit. A consciousness that has set things in motion eons ago. We feed on this consciousness as it feeds on us. We are one with it. This power, this consciousness is both positive and negative; without both, true balance would never be achived.
These acts were done by men who took the flawed views of man, defined in this case as Islam (a positive religion), and skewed them to the negative. These men believe in the ritual mutilation of the female genitals to prevent them from enjoying sexual contact (in the end, keeping them faithful to their spouse). These men deny their women education. These men arm teenaged boys to patrol the streets and grant them the authority and "divine right" to kill women who travel without a male family member. These men will kill other men who shave, or cut their hair in an "American" style, who don't pray to their God and obey their rules. This is not a civilization. This is barbarism.
The US was founded on Christianity, another flawed, man-made religion. It supported Slavery for majority of it's first century. It's supported many other wrong causes since then. But our leaders don't suggest killing those who follow different religions. They don't arm teenage thugs. They don't kill anyone for having hair (or lack thereof). And they don't demand ritual female genital mutilation. They do, however, recognize that terrorism is a negative thing to the extreme. Balance must be achived.
Failure to end these evil deeds will poison the consciousness for everyone.
And to our foreign friends; Your countries are no less touched by corruption and evil. England was a barbaric partner in slave trades, your leaders often murdered spouses that displeased them, your people murdered Muslims in the name of a "crusade". Germany's history is bloodied and putrid, starting with barbarians and include Hitler among their countrymen. Italy and France; Russia and Poland; Japan and Vietnam; You are all touched with rot and disease like us. But we all hold an immesurable potential for positive power. But, as many of you do, it's easier to blame the US then face your own troubles.
| Looking At It From An Allied Country As The Mine One Is... ||Oct 12th. at 2:50:46 pm UTC|
|Oscar Eslava (Pinto - Madrid, Spain) ||Age: 29 - Email |
Looking at it from an allied country as the mine one is (Spain), part of the NATO and the UE, it seems reasonable that american people needs some kind of "revenge" after the stunning suffering their souls received one month ago. In fact, I must confess I felt gald about the military campaign, but my reasons were others, and now I«m considering it and I«m sure that I just felt the most human primary feelings of agressivity towards those who just seemed to have attacked thousands of innocents without any chance to protect themselves, and, different from a "classical" war, unaware of the risks they were exposed to.
My true reasons, I suppose because I«m not only a pagan and a worshipper of the Goddes and the Female power, but also a western citizen who believes in equal rights and duties for men and women, were that since I started to listen about all the genocide that was being commited against women at Afghanistan (worst even than the female-prosecution in other countries, specially muslim ones, that was already bad enough) I prayed for someone to do something, considering even a military ultimatum to stop the slaughter or face the consequences. A calculated attack to depose the Taliban Mullahs and their empire of fundamentalist terror seemed to be the only way. But now I guess that its cost in human innocent lives is perhaps worst than the search for other solutions (did these solutions exist?Many times, war is a lack of imagination to find other solutions), and is going to have the effect of giving strenght to the fundamentalist illiterated crowds in all the muslim world to gather against an enemy perceived as the christian crusaders running over Holy Land and commiting as many slaughters as the Taliban! And we face the view of millions bowing the hits against all that smells to be western, including the educational (and always better, because its effects really LAST in time) concepts of separation between religion and social rules, governments and laws, gender equality, democracy, etc.
What can I say about the attacks? Be fast, be very careful not to damage innocents (we are different of Bin Laden and his gang on this), cut the head of the beast, don«t change it for other (the northern alliance is as much fundamentalist and dictatorial as the Taliban) and use it to spread food, hope and the seeds of culture, respect and liberty in ALL THE WORLD. It«s the better weapon to avoid future killing full of wrath.
Thank you very much. May the Goddes bless all the called at Her belly until next cycle.
| In A Way This Type Of War Is New And Different. And... ||Oct 12th. at 7:25:56 pm UTC|
|Gonzalo (Monterey, California US) ||Age: 53 - Email |
In a way this type of war is new and different. And in a very real way there is nothing new about it. In the past war was a state that existed between nations. This country versus that country and ÔtheyŐ were always bad while ÔweŐ were always good. No matter what side anyone was on that was how they looked and thought. Even during the crusades it was about the same way, the difference being a religious one but still a way to tell one side from another. Now it is a little different. There ones the world is calling terrorist feel they are avenging a wrong done their people the feel the victims of terror. They feel they have been pushed to the wall and can give no more so they had to strike back as the only means left to them. Of course it is pure folly and rhetoric, there is always another way usually a harder one than anyone would like to take but it is there. In this instance the United States is a victim of these men who feel they were the first injury party. Because the US would not fix whatever they thought was broken or from simple envy or a sense of impotence. Be that as it may they started the murdering of our people. And the natural response is to fight back. Please note that, the natural response. And there is nothing evil or intrinsically wrong with that reaction. Having faced men like that before, picking up what was left after the battle, dealing with the injured, gearing up to face the next one and going from fight to fight I learned this. Men fight for their mates, for their people, not for some far away ideal but for something as far away as the man next to them. These terrorists are fighting to die for their cause and because they feel their lives are hopeless and best spent in this manner. It will be the same for our people if and when they must face other men on the ground. Never mind the politics, the rhetoric, the words, mind the men. They are our people, they are us, whether you believe in what they are doing or not. Believe in them. We are facing a simple thing, those men hate us and are trying to kill us for their reasons, if you understand or accept them or not they want to and are out to killing us nothing else. The only way to stop that is to fight back, to kill back. The only way all the talk in the world aside. As Pagans, as Americans, as human beings we are given the right to self-defense. If you do not want it ok, if you canŐt do it, ok. But donŐt stand in the way or harass those who can and do it is ill manner and ungracious. As long as there is life there is hope but there has to be life first and if battle is the only way to secure it then battle it must be. Here is the big difference in war both sides must use the same tools, do the same things the difference is in the why. We fight as a reaction to defend ourselves and if we are better at it than our opposite numbers well and good. Look to the reasons before you make up your mind.
| It Was Foolish Of Us, As Americans, To Beleive That We Were... ||Oct 13th. at 11:30:40 pm UTC|
|Inarri (Bailey, Michigan US) ||Age: 31 |
It was foolish of us, as Americans, to beleive that we were somehow ammune to th e horrors of the world. Likewise, it is foolish for the Taliban to beleive that they can hide behind a country of innocents. Everyone, even those who do not believe, cannot escape the Rule of Three. We are simply one of the instruments carrying justice to the Taliban for it's crime on humanity. The deaths of so many (ours and theirs) are truely heartbreaking, but the terror that has spread around the world in the wake of this is far worse. Those who planned and carried out this terrible thing will be brought before whatever god they choose for judgement, as it should be.
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