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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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As A Canadian, I Have Often Laughed At The Presumption And Arrogance... Sep 14th. at 1:49:56 pm UTC

Heather (Montreal, Quebec CA) Age: 26 - Email


As a Canadian, I have often laughed at the presumption and arrogance of our American cousins. America the brave, America the beautiful... As if no other country on the planet is as wonderful as the US. We laugh about the percieved ignorance that the US has towards other countries, even their neighbours to the north. We often believe that, as Canadians, we are more broad-thinking and enlightened.

But in moments like these, when an unknown terror strikes out at unsuspecting innocents, without the courage to even name themselves or the reasons for their senseless acts, I realise that as a Canadian, I have more in common with Americans than I have differences. I realise that we are more than just friends and neighbours, we are family. I felt the same outrage at the attack on American values and way of life. I felt as though the borders between our two countries were blurred. Because in many ways, this act wasn't just an attack on you. It was an attack on us. All of us, American and Canadian alike. Our values and way of life mirror yours in many ways, and this act of cowardice has affected us all... and so have the amazing acts of courage that have followed.

I spent 12 surreal hours watching the press coverage on television, because I didn't know what else to do. In a way, I thought that I had to watch, to keep vigil and bear witness to the horror taking place across the border. And the next day, I stood in line for almost five hours to give blood. In that lineup, I met many American university students, who could not believe the turnout at the blood-donor clinic. They thanked us for helping, even though we weren't asked. We told them we couldn't just sit idly by and do nothing. We are as saddended and as angered as any American... because this was an attack on us as well.


What Can Be Done Besides Bombing The Heck Out Of Whatever City... Sep 14th. at 1:51:35 pm UTC

StarShadow (Greater Los Angeles, California US) Age: 38 - Email


>>What can be done besides bombing the heck out of whatever city, town or house we are targeting?>>

It is our weak dependance on foreign oil that causes our government's constant concern and interest in the middle east. If only we had a leader that realized we need immediate alternative fuel reasearch and funding. I guess we all know George W. "Oilman" Bush isn't it. If we could begin to wean ourselves off Saudi oil, within 50 years the Middle East would cease to be of consequence in world affairs, and they could go on about their own business, as they strongly desire to do.

Retaliation is not the answer. It will only bring the same to the US times three. There have always been extremists; who remembers when it was Kaddafi, Arafat, Kruschev, Pol Pot? Killing Osama Bin Laden will not stop the tide of terrorism.
In fact, this attack is not the first in this particular cycle. It appears to be in retribution of the August 20 1999 Sudan bombings by the United States, which, in return, was a retaliation of the August 7, 1999 bombing of the US Embassies in Africa...does anyone see the connection? This is a clear example of how violence only returns to itself threefold.

My flag is flying today because I love my country. I think it's the best in the world. But at the first retaliatory attack, it will come down. Why can we not concentrate on ridding ourselves of the middle east problem permanently, instead of creating a never ending cycle of retribution?




I Find Myself Struggling With My Faith In The God And Goddess... Sep 14th. at 1:53:27 pm UTC

Vivienne (Arlington, Virginia US) Age: 26


I find myself struggling with my faith in the God and Goddess as I try to make sense of this tragedy. It is so hard to continue to surrender to the Unknown as I constantly remind myself that we can not know the purpose that this incident has for the universe. I pray for faith, strength, compassion, and the willingness to surrender to the will of the Divine. I am humbled in the presence of such raw force. I pray for all of us touched by this tragedy, whether friend or foe, that we may use this as an opportunity for great spiritual growth.


Hail An Well Meet It Me Again Ravenhair To All Of The... Sep 14th. at 1:59:37 pm UTC

RavenHair (Philadelphie, Pennsylvania US) Age: 31 - Email


Hail an well meet it me again RavenHair

to all of the email from all the clans thank you.

And now for my repaly, I and my clan is still doing the 9 nigths of Odin sheild.

We are at day two of our work and our half month is in Cen the rune of helping light the light of the path. So you if you want to send energy to our sheild feel free.

And my clan well send energy to who ever need it in good magic you know how to find my just look for the raven. 9:00 is my clan magic time. And also Roberson and Falwell have on power our us.

They are just scared that there sheep are waking up and the GODDESS has come at last.

Stay strong and proud keep up the good work cause you are my Heros Hail Odin


I Know Most Of You May Have Seen This Already, But I... Sep 14th. at 2:10:32 pm UTC

Seldanna (Norwood (outside Boston), Massachusetts US) Age: 25 - Email


I know most of you may have seen this already, but I think it is something very special that was written. I believe it was from an earlier war (Vietnam or one of those) but I think it still pertains today. Warning: It is quite long.
Let's everyone keep praying and sending positive energy to those families, not just in NYC but all over the world.
Bright Blessing and Blessed Be!

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator, gave widespread but only partial news coverage recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get
Automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon Đ not
once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they
are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am
just a single American that has read this, TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES.


Pagan Parents Loss & Bereavement Site Can Be Found At Red-dragon-inn.net/silver/summerland... Sep 14th. at 2:14:53 pm UTC

Destinova (Austin, Texas US) Age: 44 - Email


Pagan Parents Loss & Bereavement site can be found at red-dragon-inn.net/silver/summerland. Although the site was founded primarily for Pagan parents who've lost a child it has much good info for pagans dealing with the loss of loved ones. Please visit us.

Destinova


Dear Mr. Bin Ladenthrough This Letter It Is My Firm Intention... Sep 14th. at 2:16:27 pm UTC

Noga Lubicz (Rio de Janeiro - Brazil 22450-130, Belize) Age: 49 - Email


Dear Mr. Bin Laden
Through this letter it is my firm intention to send you lots of love and light, which I believe you are in desperate need of. To my deepest shame, you are human like me, therefore you are my brother and I must take care of you.
Mr. Bin Laden, you are a privileged being. You were born free, rich, beautiful and intelligent. Most people in our world struggle all their lives to get these qualities, and only a few succeed. I don't know what went wrong with you. Maybe you did not get enough love at childhood. Now look what you have done: looking for love all you've got was hatred and contempt; not from a single beautiful woman, who refused to get laid with you, but from billions of people all over the world. A huge black cloud of hatred floats over your head.
Brother Bin Laden, you are doomed. Not a soul in this planet will give you shelter. Heaven will not receive you, for you despised your brilliant destiny; hell won't get you either, since you humiliated the devil himself with the perfect evil of your actions. It is time to sit down and write your will. Maybe you will get back to your senses and leave your fortune for the children in Afghanistan, so they will have some opportunity to grow up as healthy adults and share a world that will be much better than today, once you are gone.
Mr. Bin Laden, perhaps you want to avoid a darker end, surrendering to an International Court. You will have a fair judgement and will be condemned, yet this is your better choice, far better than getting lost in the void between worlds. Think about it, and consider this offer.
Once again I send you lots of love and light.
Regards,
Noga Lubicz


Phoenix Metropolitan Areatwo Circles Planned For National Day Of Prayer And... Sep 14th. at 2:18:16 pm UTC

Emaara Blue (Phoenix) Age: 28 - Email


Phoenix Metropolitan Area

Two Circles Planned for National Day of Prayer and Mourning:

Los Olivos Park
28th St just North of Indian School Rd

12:30 PM and 6:00 PM

Pagans of all paths are welcome to come, share thoughts and prayers, wisdom and fellowship.


This Disaster Was The Act Of Mad Men, It Is Horrible And... Sep 14th. at 2:21:40 pm UTC

Brian Leach (new brunswick, New Jersey US) Age: 18 - Email


This disaster was the act of mad men, it is horrible and senseless. But let us not forget that the mad men are amongst us as well, US imperialism has been slaughtering innocents around the world for over 30 years. Do not take the easy route into Flag waving Nationalism, shift your paradigm and realize that there is blood on american hands as well. No senseless retaliatory violence. No "collatoral damage" is acceptable. No more innocents should die. Let us Honor our dead through PEACE rather than further violence. Let us reshape our society, and our foriegn policy into one that does not create monsters on either side. Love HUMANITY, not america.


I'd Like To Thank Heather From Montreal For Her Moving Post.and... Sep 14th. at 2:27:24 pm UTC

RuneWolf (Reston, Virginia US) Age: 43 - Email


I'd like to thank Heather from Montreal for her moving post.

And I, for one, would like to say THANK YOU! to all Canadians. Not only has there been an outpouring of support from the North, but I don't recall anyone thanking Canada specifically for sticking her neck out to help us. When this was all unfolding, Canada accepted those inbound foreign flights that were rerouted to her airports. In light of what was happening, Canada had no idea what might be coming her way; she might well have been subjected to attack herself, but she didn't say "No."

Thank you again, Canada.


In Honor Of Those Who Suffered And Died On September 11th, 2001... Sep 14th. at 2:29:23 pm UTC

Steven Day (gloucester, Massachusetts US) Age: 34 - Email


In honor of those who suffered and died on September 11th, 2001.

Today I Walked....

Along the coastline of the land where I was born. Seagulls play along the water, the waves crash rhythmically into the beach. I gaze upon the water, the sky, the rocks, and all that has been given to us...

Today I Stood....

Upon an ancient battleground, where our ancestors fought for their freedom. Cannons lay atop their rocky mounts, a now silent reminder of what we must do to protect ourselves and our freedom...

Today I Prayed....

That the Goddess will bless, and the God will protect the individuals - Our friends, our families, our loved ones - that must now go to fight to again protect what belongs to us: Our freedom. That they will return to us safe, and victorious.

Today I Wept....

Because there was no other choice.

Blessed Be.


I'm Personally Appalled By The Backlash That All Arab People Are To... Sep 14th. at 2:43:40 pm UTC

Johna Delano (Springvale, Maine US) Age: 35 - Email


I'm personally appalled by the backlash that ALL Arab people are to blame.Many people of Mid-east descent are born Americans.Religious persecution while being an old problem never ceases to amaze me for coming up with new ways to show hatred and contempt instead of the love, acceptance &inner peace that their saints, martyrs and other personages started off teaching.I'm praying for protection of the children of all those who ARE responsible for this act of hatred, that they will not blame the world for what happens to their parents and reject the natural impulse for revenge when they are of age.This is a circle that NEEDS to be broken!! LET THE HEALING BEGIN is my way to get through this for now.

Bright Blessings,
Johna M. Delano
a.k.a Red Dove


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