Your browser does not support script

Pagan Perspectives



Weekly Question

Question of the Week: 113

Pagan Problem Children: What Can We Do About Them?

Views: [32,767]
Responses: [2,666]

The Rules
Note: The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.

For Further
Discussion
Visit The


WitchVox List
of 242
Communication
'Net Sites:


Chat Boards
Email Lists
IRC Channels


Past Questions
112. Elders: Who Are They and Do We Really Need Them? - [74]

111. So, You’re Dead. Now What? - [59]

110. What’s Your Favorite Element? - [119]

109. The Broom Closet Revisited: What’s Your Current Occupancy Rate? - [129]

108. Do You Speak Pagan Geek? - [38]

107. Would You Be A Good ‘Reality Show’ Contestant? - [49]

106. What Is Your Inner Animal? - [127]

105. Are Pagans TOO Individualistic? - [56]

104. Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq? - [258]

103. What Are You Reading? - [95]

102. Do Interfaith Conferences/ Discussions Work? - [29]

101. Have You Made Any Extra Security Preparations? - [85]

100. Why Are You A Pagan or Heathen? - [142]

99. What Moon Phase Are You In? - [70]

98. Would You Live In A Haunted House? - [166]

97. What Natural Objects Are On Your Altar? - [103]

96. If You Were Granted Three Wishes... - [179]

95. How Do You Feel About War? - [153]

94. Who Would Make Your Pagan/Heathen Who’s Who List? - [91]

93. Should Pagans Apply For Federal Funds? - [56]

92. What Do You See in 2003? - [47]

90. Which Christmas Ghost Would You Like To Be? - [82]

89. Bah-Humbug! Are You Offended by Christmas? - [173]

88. Are We Alone in The Universe? - [67]

87. The Pagan Web 2002... Your likes? Dislikes? - [50]

86. How’s Your Gratitude Attitude? - [64]

85. What’s Your Motivation? - [97]

84. Between the Veils: What Did You See? - [80]

83. Time to Talk Politics and Elections… - [109]

82. Your Samhain/Beltaine Musings - [50]

81. ExCUSE Me! Has Common Courtesy Become A Thing of the Past? - [97]

80. Polytheist, Monotheist, Dualist or Other? - [104]

79. Have You Switched Pagan Paths? - [110]

78. Would You Take Part in a Public Event or Protest AS a Pagan? - [268]

77. Pot-Kettle: Do We Have Our Own Fundamentalists? - [91]

76. America 911: One Year Later. What's Changed? Are we Safer? - [103]

75. So What Do YOU Think of the Pagan Web? - [43]

74. What is/was your 2002 New Year's resolution - [23]

73. Do You Believe in Faeries? - [44]

72. Is 'Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men' Possible? - [28]

71. How Do YOU View the Balance of Light and Dark? - [22]

70. What's News? - [22]

69. What Are Your Favorite Yule Traditions or Memories? - [17]

68. Are You Wild About Harry? - [80]

67. What Is Music? - [18]

66. What Did You Do this Samhain? - [8]

65. What ARE the most "Frequently Asked Questions' About Witches? - [31]

64. What Are YOUR book/video/dvd Recommendations? - [119]

63. Have You Done Any Protection Spells or Workings? - [38]

62. What Are Your Thoughts On The Current "War on Terrorism"? - [77]

61. Are You Willing To Give Up Some Civil Liberties To Be Safe? - [69]

60. What About Those Pagan Leaders Again? - [289]

59. 911 America: Talking Through The Terror... - [969]

58. What Are Your Plans For Fall? - [21]

57. If You Were Stranded Alone On A Deserted Island... - [56]

56. What Would You Like to See at The Voice? - [65]

55. What Lies Beyond? - [28]

54. What is the connection between Spirit, Nature and Humankind? - [18]

53. What is 'Will' or 'Willpower'? - [19]

52. Have you ever been to a Pagan Festival? - [26]

51. What Did You Think of 'The Mists of Avalon"? - [44]

50. What's Your Magickal Focus? - [33]

49. Ending Religious Discrimination-What's It Gonna Take? - [41]

48. How Fares The First Amendment? - [20]

47. Are you a Talker or a Listener? - [14]

46. Predator and Prey - What Beasts Live Within You? - [44]

45. Who Do You Trust? - [22]

44. Do You Spend Money with Pagan Merchants? - [24]

43. What's On Your Balloon? - [52]

42. Is There An Energy Crisis? - [30]

41. What Makes You So Special? - [33]

40. What is Your Guilty Little Secret? - [101]

39. Who Are Your Gods? - [55]

38. What Are The Greatest Challenges That Pagans Face Today? - [35]

37. What's On Your Altar? - [45]

36. Should the United States Apologize to China - [32]

35. Pagan Web Surfing Likes/Dislike - [60]

34. What Are Your Views on Abortion, Euthanasia and Suicide? - [95]

33. What Is The Appropriate Response to Bigotry and Religious Hatred? - [108]

32. Why Are Kids Killing Kids? - [60]

31. Whassa Matter With Kids Today? - [71]

30. What Do You Support and Why Do You Support It? - [21]

29. How About Some New Holidays? - [39]

28. Where Did You Get Your Magickal Name? - [93]

27. Where Are The Pagan Social Programs? Do We Care? - [22]

26. What Do You Think About Bush's 'Faith-Based' Initiative Plan? - [87]

25. What Are The Boundaries? - [26]

24. What is Pagan History and What is Pagan Belief? - [44]

23. Who or What is a "Pagan Leader"? - [61]

22. What More Do You Want To Know About Paganism? - [45]

21. What is/was your New Year's resolution? - [19]

19. What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool? - [61]

20. What have YOU done to trace your family history? - [11]

18. Your Gift, Craft and Holiday Celebration Ideas! - [43]

17. Does Older Equal Better? - [199]

16. What is the best gift that you ever received? - [28]

15. What are YOU Thankful For? - [87]

14. The Unresolved US Election - [263]

13. Divination - [29]

12. Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election - [129]

11. Hollywood Hype - [74]

10. Money and the Craft - [82]

9. Pagan Jokes and Humorous Stories - [37]

8. Misconceptions About Witches, Wiccans and Pagans - [63]

7. The Ethics of Magick and Spellwork - [43]

6. What are YOU planning for Mabon-Autumn Equinox? - [14]

5. Pagan books/web sites-dynamic or drivel? - [46]

4. The Broomcloset-In or Out?... What's YOUR View? - [181]

3. Church and State, Religion in School... What is YOUR View? - [122]

2. How Do You Define Witch/WitchCraft? - [42]

1. Who are you going to vote for and why? - [233]



















 Author:    Posted: Sep. 8, 2002   This Page Viewed: 10,087,060  

Vox Q Stats

Times Viewed: 32,767

Reponses: 103

Lurker/Post Ratio: 318 to 1

Question of the Week: 76 - 9/8/2002

America 911: One Year Later. What's Changed? Are we Safer?

September 11th, 2001 set in motion various changes in the way that people view the world. From personal tragedies to governmental policies to global military actions, many stories have emerged from that one fateful day. Has YOUR life changed since 9/11/01? How has the world changed? Are you feeling more or less secure these days? Do you think that 9/11 is too much the focus for current events/ policies or are we really living in a different world today? Will the 'war on terror' ever be over? Will you do something to commemorate this day or do you just wish that all of the hype would go away?

You can review the original posts from last year's 9/11 Perspectives at: Responses to 9/11

 Reponses:   There are 103 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


Look Forward In Hope Sep 9th. at 4:23:07 am UTC

Annwyn (Christchurch, New Zealand) Age: 31 - Email


Hi from the Other side of the world!

9/11/01 was a day that I was still unemployed, and was up early to scan the employment pages before heading off to a "get a job" training course that the local Work and Income office had insisted I attend. I watched the news reports before being delivered to the door of the building where I was at the course, and I found myself looking skywards at the buildings around it, wondering what it could be like if something similar happened here. I didn't like the idea, and I freely admit I was nervous for what remained of the course (about 10 days). My views were given a shake up then, and have been continually evolving thereafter, with various things closer to home (the death of my younger brother, starting a new job, finding my 'Powers' growing and expanding to name a few) and I find myself looking ahead to what could be/will be if I set myself to it. As experiences happen, I'm learning from them.

Almost a year on, I still occasionally find myself looking at tall buildings - which is a bit unnerving considering the hospital where I now work has an average of 5 floors - nothing in comparison to the WTC and it's neighbours. As the anniversary draws closer, I find myself thinking that it was a terrible thing to happen, but rather than dwelling on the past, the world needs to look to the future - to see what we have learned - if anything - from that day.
I still see violence being met with violence, people being persecuted for their religious beliefs and others being heroes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that what happened was right, but I am saying that crimes against humanity have been occuring on the grounds of religion and race for centuries. And still the world fails to learn from the lessons that we are sent time and again.

My heart and thoughts are with those who lost loved ones, those who are still traumatised by the events and everyone that is attempting to come to terms with 9/11 and it's long-reaching ramifications. But we need to look forward in hope, and make sure that those lost were not in vain....

Blessings and Peace to all at this time.
Annwyn


I Have Come To Realise One Important Thing... Sep 9th. at 7:33:39 am UTC

Matt Walton (England, United Kingdom) Age: 20 - Email


Since the 11th of September last year I've come to realise that although their actions were dispicable, those responsible for the attack on the World Trade Center, the one on the Pentagon and the attempt which was brought down by the passengers in Pennsylvania actually do have a point. Their countries and cultures are in many ways oppressed and demonised by the Western world. America, a country with a constitution that proclaims freedom for all - of speech, of religion, of expression - goes directly against this by attempting to impose American values on the rest of the world, whether the rest of the world likes it or not. 9/11 was a reaction to what some people outside America perceive as an American threat to their freedom. An overreaction perhaps, and certainly not the right kind of action to take (killing people is, as far as I can see, never good), but they do have a point.

What I don't see is any acknowledgement from any government in the Western world that perhaps they did something to bring this upon themselves.

What I also don't see is any real progress in the War on Terrorism, or any sense in attacking Iraq. Yes, we know the government there isn't very nice to its citizens, especially the Kurds, but how will we help them by barging in with tanks and missiles? And if Iraq does really have chemical, biological and nuclear weaponry, what happens then? By attacking Iraq, we could give what is tantamount to blanket permission for all terrorist groups to start bombing our cities, not necessarily with just conventional explosives.

Tony Blair, the much-disliked Prime Minister of this grey and gloomy country (it's raining as I write this), has stated that he will support America in action against Iraq no matter what anyone else says. The government appears to agree with him, including, unfortunately, the Opposition. He raises in his support the prospect of nuclear attacks on British cities, using Iraqi nuclear weaponry, if something is not done very soon. But if we do attack Iraq, wouldn't that just encourage them?

I don't have the solutions to the world's problems, but I do have the strongest feeling that attacking Iraq is an idea bound to go wrong.


Changes Good And Bad Sep 9th. at 8:44:03 am UTC

Ellen Clunie (Indianapolis IN) Age: 33 - Email


As far as I can tell, things have changed both for the better and for the worse.

On the good side, people are more *aware* of our country and our position in the global community. Some of the most open, caring, supportive actions I've seen in my LIFETIME occurred in the weeks immediately following the attacks.

Unfortunately, most of that is overshadowed by other things. The USA-PATRIOT Act threatens everything our country "supposedly" holds dear. Patriotism has changed from a true spirit of unity into a commercial enterprise. Our government is using these attacks as a way to bully our foreign agendas through so Junior can clean up messes that Senior left when he was president.

However, what it has done for me is to cement my own committment to fighting for the true ideals of my country - freedom, and support and help where it is *truly* needed - and asked for.

I will remember those who died because they lived *here*, and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I will remember those who died because they were convinced that a statement needed to be made about our "civilization". And I remember all of us who had to watch these events unfold - and explain them to our children.


Has It Been A Year??? Sep 9th. at 9:06:18 am UTC

Corey (Bangor, PA) Age: 20 - Email - Web


Wow... It doesn't seem like a whole years pasted since 9/11. Those horrific images of the WTO "pancaking" floor by floor are still stuck in my head. That day changed the world. In America we can really see the changes. They are happening so subtly and slowely. But I think over time we will see some major changes in certain activities we participate in. Currently the changes are taking place overseas more than here in the U.S. Governments are being changed by our iron fist, certain leaders are "crapping their pants", and some people are enjoying freedom in which they've never had. Although the outcome of our military plans can be good, we are at a crutial point in our existance. This is a time when nuclear holocost can easily happen if we're not careful. But, so far so good.


Good And Bad Sep 9th. at 10:08:23 am UTC

Charl (Yaphank, New York) Age: 40 - Email


It's hard to believe that it was just a year ago when I was watching news coverage about a plane hitting one of the towers, a "helicopter crash" at the Pentagon and getting ready for work. I stopped for a moment to see what was going on and distinctly remember seeing another plane fly past the camera. My immediate thought was "wow, I'm surprised they didn't shut down NY air space". Then, the unthinkable...

As the year goes by, I find that both good and bad have come out of the tragedy. The good -- my friends and family never miss an opportunity to say "I love you" just in case it's the last time. I find myself being much gentler with people -- I still have moments of road rage when someone is doing something to endanger people, but overall, life is too short to spend it upset or angry. I also tend to make eye-contact on the subway -- perhaps it began as the feeling that I want to look at someone because they could be the last person I see, but it's developed into a fuller appreciation of my fellow human beings. I've also become more politically active--I've joined the ACLU to name just one example.

Which brings me to the not-so-good things that have come out of this--we are Americans and our country was based on what we as Americans consider basic freedoms. These apply to all Americans, no matter what race, religion or ethnic background. When those freedoms are curtailed, the terrorists win. Then we no longer become free Americans, we become fearful Americans. Don't get me wrong, the additional security is something that should have been in place a long time ago, but when I hear about people being persecuted because they share a religion or ethnicity with a person who has committed a terrible act, well, it takes away from all of us.

There are so many horrible things to remember about 911 -- the terrible things men do to each other in the name of righeousness, the horrendous pain and fear experienced by the deceased and still being experienced by many survivors, the children who lost parents, the parents who lost children...

I'd personally rather remember the day as a day when we saw the best that humanity has to offer--the sacrifices made by so many people both in the Towers and Pentagon and out. I think that we can best honor those memories by remembering what this country is really all about and by remembering to love each other as much as we can today, because tomorrow just may not happen.


Where I Was, And Where I Am Sep 9th. at 10:15:16 am UTC

Thunder Mouse (Saint Joseph Missouri) Age: 21 - Email


How has the country changed? I geuss the best place to start that, would be how have I changed. Where I was when I first heard of the attacks, was working in a dusty Lowes store by a Dewalt radio. My first reaction, was to wonder how in the world a plane could possibly hit such huge biuldings. My mind just didnt quite click that it was intentional at first. Partialy, because all I knew was a plane hit the biulding. I thought it was a small lill plane and the guy screwed up somehow and hit it. I walked back to the back to get some water, and saw the smoke on the TV in the back office where a few pepole were watching just as the second plane hit the World trade center. I honestly just about threw up. I realised that things were much worse and much more serious than I had thought. I decided rather than to stand there and watch the smoke, to head back to my department and try to work to get the immage out of my head. Then, an announcemnt came on about the pentagon being hit. That one made me litteraly fall over. I had found out the night before, that my mother who lives in virginia,a millitary intelligence NCO for the Air force was supposed to have a meeting at the pentagon that day. I was about to ask to go home after that, when I realised, that the best thing for me to do, would be to work the rest of the day. If something had happened to my mom, going home wouldnt change it, and I wouldnt get ahold of anyone till later anyway because they would all be at work or school. The rest of the day is a blur. I walked around honestly like a zombi not shure what to do. I walked by a TV that was set up in the appliances section just intime to see the second tower collaps, but it realy didnt fase me at that point. I eventually finnished up my day, and went back to my home. I learned the next day (I was unable to get ahold of my parents because all the lines on the east coast were busy) that her meeting was canceled at the last minute before she left, so she was at home instead of being there. Only one other person in town I feal can even come close to understanding how I feal about this, and thats a friend who was on a grey hound bus in new york at the time. I remember a year ago, I wanted blood and I wanted it now. I remember having nightmares of things I saw on TV that day for quite a while. But, that was then. A year later, I feal, that honestly, verry little has changed in my town. Just about everyone talks about it ofcourse, but other than that, as far as day to day life and how pepole here treet eachother, It hasnt changed much. They still vew it as something that didnt happen here. Something that didnt affect them. Most pepole in my lill town dont pay attention to the news. So alot of them dont even know about all the things going on in the white house, or enough information to form an opinon on the Iraqu situation that is rappedly growing other than to just blow them off the face of the earth and forget about them.
I cant speek for the entier nation. From what I see though, the town I live in has changed little. pepole are still ignorant of the goings on of the world because they refuse to read the news paper. They still dont care about other pepole they see on the street, and they still speed up to run over small animals.
I on the other hand have changed ALOT since Teusday September 11, 2001. Iv become much more tollerant of others opinions and thoughts. Iv become far more supportive of trying to find non violent solutions to situations. I have much more respect for pepole who I dont know anything about rather than seeing other pepole as just part of the back ground. Iv grown up alot. I hope things are different in the rest of the country. I hope they are better.


9/11/2001: Cynical, Moi? Sep 9th. at 10:24:36 am UTC

Durin Ap Iceni (Colchester, Essex, UK) Age: 26 - Email


I can remember exactly what I was doing that day. I was sitting at work doing not much. When the first plane hit we speculated what had caused it..maybe a ILS fault or engine failure.. it hadnt sunk in then. It just felt normal, sad.. but par for the course.
Then the second plane and the deliberate change of course straight into the building. It wasnt a game any more and everyone was stunned.

you ask me if I think anythings changed?

yes and no. people are all a little more scared than they were. They're all wondering why.. even now. Trouble is, the assumption that Bin Laden had planned this is nice and comfortable.. but its also wrong. The only thing al quaida had to do with this was act as a patsy.. a role they've fulfilled adequately.

For the reasons and the stringpullers for this you have to look a lot closer to home. I'll let you make your own decisions tho.

As to the changes. I cant see any good ones to be brutally honest. The US government is clamping down on 'security issues'. Its funny how I could still walk through 3 US airports in november that year.. without being searched once, and when I couldnt provide an address for the person I was visiting, which at stansted in the UK would have gotten you locked up, the soldier at the desk let me walk right through. They arent bothered about that sorta security, the US government wants to be able to clamp down on you all... especially if you arent christian, white, middle class and/or own a Caddy.

You know.. its funny. President Shrub, as a friend refers to him, for the most part has acted like someone for whom a 'room temperature IQ' is an unobtainable mental height. Yet right after 9/11 he suddenly comes all over all eloquent & is praised across the world?... sorry, I for one aint buying.

to summarise.

1. I do think things have changed. and not for the better. freedom has been curtailed drastically or the attempt will be made to make it so. Crass commercialism has gotten the upper hand. pencil pushers have control of things that would never have been given before. This goes for the US & the UK

2. Don't be too quick to condemn the Muslims & al-quaida. Theres more to this than meets the eye.

3. Trust yourself to know whats right or wrong. Dont let government tell you. They tend to subscribe to the "certain point of veiw" theory of 'truth'. namely its their point of view that is the truth.

anyways, rant over

My thoughts are with those who lost family & friends last year

Walk in light

Durin

----"I'm a politician, which means when I aint kissing children.. I'm bombing their homes into dust"--- George 'dumbya' Bush


What A Year... Sep 9th. at 11:13:56 am UTC

Thomas D. Jones (Las Vegas) Age: 26 - Email


Last year... oh, the dreams I had, the omens and signs and devastating divinations. Fire and wrack and rubble... screams and moans... those who know me know that I have terrible nightmares all the time. And afterward, I was terrified of going to sleep. I had known that something was up; but how do you filter out all the trash? I didn't know then and I still don't. What lessons were brought into focus that day? Fanaticism is wrong, even my own fanaticism. I devoutly hoped and prayed for a spark that would touch off a cleansing of this world, even as I packed my military gear back in my duffle bags. I was ready. I was devoted. Ready for jihad. A war of righteousness, a war against the evils of sharia, and the fanatical demons that overstayed their welcome on an earth full of freedom-loving and peace loving people. Hey, wait a minute...

I hate Islam. I hate Muslims. I hate Arabs. I'm sorry. I can't help it. I despise people who want to make me follow their rules and their religions simply for their own convenience; simply for their own gratification. Any excuse, as far as I was concerned, was good enough to liberate these people from their Kings and Imams. The incidences in Nigeria of late bear out my suspicions of Muslims in my own country; that some day they intend to take my freedoms and tell me that I am free to be Muslim, just like Khadafi told the Libyans.

I hate conspiracy theories, too. They are ALL INCORRECT. Everything is deeper than you or I know, but it isn't as weird as we may sometimes think it is. Sometimes imagination is just that. Arabs blew those buildings up. I personally thought those buildings were insulting, though, they seemed to lack grace. They looked like Salt and Pepper mills on the Thanksgiving table. All this bounty spread out before one, and dominating the table are these UGLY shakers.

At least we Americans know who our friends are, if there was any doubt... Britain. That's it. Every other country hates us. They want us to conform to their visions of what we should be. It looks like we may get that war after all. With everybody else. I will accept it, should they call me. I look forward to war with the world. It will be quite a fight.
Personally, I hate the bushies too, all of 'em. On principle I could never vote for the son of another president. But that moron Gore was just too much a fluff piece to be President. I haven't seen any candidate display that much open cynicism since Jerry Brown. I voted libertarian.

But the war holds a religious place in my heart, one that I am damned loath to give up. Destruction of excess and survival of the fittest are part of my creed.

But it might not be likely. One thing that I have learned from all this is that it is a big joke. our govenment couldn't find its posterior with both collective hands and a road map. Or GPS. And that, my friends and loved ones, is the best news I could have ever had. It means we don't have to be afraid about the gov spying on us, or doing anything more than minor inconveniences. It's a common mistake, ( and I made it too ) to assume that a bunch of nice senile thouroughly corrupt old men and women could ever have any real effect on our nation. I think that's what ultimately causes the fear and disgust that other countries have for us. They live under kings and bureaucracies and dictators and mullahs and soviets ( in the instances of Europe and China {PRC} ) that are either horribly inefficient and responsible or dangerously maliciously maniacally efficient at the prosecution of internal affairs. We are better than this; any time our government shows signs of efficiency, we immediately vote them out and pass laws against them. This is not a cynical assessment; it a factual one and we should be genuinely proud of it. Towers? What towers? Arabs? What Arabs? Our inherent nature and national identity have helped absorb any possible impact this might have had on some other country. Oh, and Afghani women don't have to wear burkhas any more, and there's this nice Chinese guy rebuilding those Buddhas they blew up in 99. I KNEW no good would come of that, Just knew it.


Things Have Changed Sep 9th. at 11:58:55 am UTC

Marissa (Bryan, Tx) Age: 17 - Email


i remember that day very clearly, my Mom had a bad headache and had stayed home from work. i was fixing breakfast for her when i saw my sister changing channels and got a brief glimpse of two tall buildings burning. i asked her to change back, Mom asked me why and i tolled her i had thought i saw something on the news. we changed back...we spent the entire day watching and the next several watching the news and checking for details and information.

as time has passed, i have watched the news talking about the variety of things Bush and co. have pushed in to law. and some of the things that have come to pass frighten me almost as much as watching the world trade center crumble on TV. i have heard about American-Arbics and American-Muslims being beaten even today, a year latter. i have watched this homeland security rise up and heard about over a thousand people being held in custody and still not been charged with anything. i have heard people crying out that Muslims and Arabs are all evil, and i can't help but feel deep sorrow for all those who will be harmed by this kind of hatred, which is so very much like the kind that the Taliban flaunts. the government has given several agencies with a history of abusing there powers still more power and even now are trying to loosen some of the restraints that bind them and give them still more power. we have and are losing essential freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. this all scares me, because i remember that Hitler rose to power in a very similar fashion.

People tell me that this will all pass and things will get better soon. I start to feel hope as I listen to them talk.

then i listen to hate mongering 'Christians' (whom i do not consider to be real Christians) crying out that it's all the feminists, witches and gay peoples fault and that we should support Bush in his fight to save our nation. i listen to our 'leaders' telling urging us that we should go to war on Iraq. i hear about the abuses and the lies and the cries of 'hate! hate! fear and more hate!'. and i can't help but wonder if this is going to be a world i want to live in another year. or even if there will be a world to live in.

Blessed Be!


What's Changed? SO Very Much Sep 9th. at 12:27:36 pm UTC

Gí Forestchilde (Western, MA) Age: 29 - Email


I remember where I was and the horror that I felt. I still cringe when I hear a plane that is too loud (and I live near 2 air force bases and an international airport ... I cringe a lot). I remember that feeling of helplessness and confusion ... then of profound sadness at the needless loss of life. I feel pride for the all heroes and Todd Beamer's immortal words "Let's roll" echo in my head when I am in a moment of hesitation

More than anything I sense a change in our nation. We finally have some comprehension of the devastation that rocks the rest of the world; of the horror that any moment all that we love could be destroyed without rhyme or reason. It is innocence lost.

And because of that I live in fear. Not because I fear another attack. We as Americans have shown that we are resilient and can take anything they outside world can dish out. The fear I feel is from inside this nation, from my own countrymen. The patriotic fervor that has taken hold of this country is saturated with so much "us vs. them" mentality that we are turning on each other. Radical fundamentalists and conservatives are preaching the end of our society of we do not allow them to do as they see fit … and we are letting them. They are slowly stripping us of our constitutional rights in the name of “freedom”. They are sacrificing our lives on the altars of their gods: money and power.

Fear is the ultimate weapon of control … and it is being used to the fullest extent, by both the enemy without and within.

Fear is the ultimate weapon of control … and it is being used to the fullest extent, by both the enemy without and within.

It is my fervent hope that we remember that we are one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all … not just for the select few who subscribe to the ideology of the moment. I will be home on Wednesday night, with the TV on reliving the horror along with so many others. I will have a candle lit, just like so many others ... all of us with hopes and prayers for those we lost, those we found, and those in charge that they may see the light.

Yours with hope,



9/11 And 5/11 Sep 9th. at 1:33:53 pm UTC

Silver Cat Woman (Taos NM) Age: 59 - Email


I was shocked by the events of 9/11/01. I relapsed with Post Tramatic Shock Syndrom and went back into therapy. I was just felling that I was recovering when I found my best friend of 16 years dead on 5/11/02. I find some of the First Amendment Rights that are being talked about needing to be limited very scary. As a Witch I believe that it is much scarier to have my rights infringed on than to risk who/what is out there. I don't want The People's Government taken from our hands and put into the hands of that government. I do believe that to violate the Constitution in a way that says the government is more important than the People is wrong and will lead to harm for the People.


We Must Never Forget. Sep 9th. at 2:04:03 pm UTC

Ember Summerhawk (New Jersey) Age: 37 - Email


My husband works about 10 blocks away from the WTC site, and was already at work that day. For about 20 minutes, I couldn't contact him, and kept thinking "What if he was late and took the subway into the WTC" as he sometimes did. When I finally heard from him, the relief was overwhelming. And I thought "There are many people who will not have this feeling of relief - possibly ever again". We both personally knew people who were lost.

The most important thing is to never forget. I do not mean that we must always have major ceremonies marking every second - no, we must never forget IN OUR HEARTS!! And we must realize that not all Muslims are like those fanatics. We must look back with wisdom, and try to dispell the fear and hatred. But we must always remember the souls lost in NYC and DC.

Perhaps we as a nation have finally gotten to see what is important. The greed of many corportations has been uncovered, and I believe it is tolerated less after 9/11.

Life has changed. It has changed utterly, to quote Yeats. And I still wonder as my husband leaves for work each morning if he will make it home.


 1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9  


Pagan Essays
1996-2014





Pagan Web
8,000 Links





Pagan Groups
Local Covens etc.





Pagan/Witch
80,000 Profiles














Home - TWV Logos - Email US - Privacy
News and Information

Chapters: Pagan/Heathen Basics - Pagan BOOKS - Traditions, Paths & Religions - Popular Pagan Holidays - TV & Movies - Cats of the Craft - Festival Reviews - Festival Tips - White Pages (Resources) - Issues/Concerns - West Memphis 3 - Witch Hunts - Pagan Protection Tips - Healing Planet Earth

Your Voices: Adult Essays - Young Pagan Essays - Pagan Perspectives (On Hold) - WitchWars: Fire in the Craft - Gay Pagan - Pagan Parenting - Military - Pagan Passages

Pagan Music: Pagan Musicians - Bardic Circle at WitchVox - Free Music from TWV

Vox Central: About TWV - Wren: Words, Wrants and Wramblings - Guest Rants - Past Surveys - A Quest for Unity

Weekly Updates: Click HERE for an index of our weekly updates for the past 6 years

W.O.T.W. - World-Wide Networking

Your Town: A Link to YOUR Area Page (The largest listing of Witches, Pagans, Heathens and Wiccans on the Planet)

VoxLinks: The Pagan Web: 8,000 Listings

Your Witchvox Account: Log in Now - Create New Account - Request New Password - Log in Problems

Personal Listings: Pagan Clergy in Your Town - Adult Pagans - Young Pagans - Military Pagans

Events: Circles, Gatherings, Workshops & Festivals

Covens/Groups/Orgs: Local Groups Main Page

Other LOCAL Resources: Local Shops - Regional Sites - Local Notices - Global/National Notices - Local Skills & Services - Local Egroups - Political Freedom Fighters

Pagan Shopping: Online Shops Index - Original Crafters Sites - Auction Sites - Pagan Wholesalers - Pagan Local Shops



Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2014 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.

Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh G5.

Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections (including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wren’s Nest, etc.) are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witches’ Voice, Inc. TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.

Sponsorship: Visit the Witches' Voice Sponsor Page for info on how you
can help support this Community Resource. Donations ARE Tax Deductible.
The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.

Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.