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Question of the Week: 84 - 11/10/2002

Between the Veils: What Did You See?

In the times of the thinning veils, did you look into the past or the future? What did you see?

What forms of divination do you use? Do you have an unusual technique that you would like to tell us about?

Have you had some (or all) of the things that you divined in the past come true? What is the most profound insight that you gained through divination? Do you think that the future is fixed or can it be changed?

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Vision At Samhain Nov 11th. at 6:49:00 pm UTC

Albatross Autumnsea (Vancouver, USA) Age: 64 - Email


During our ritual feast we called our departed friends and pets. We saw our cat and felt the presence of those friends although we did not see them. We saw our cats several times in the following days. I believe they are powerful souls and share our love and this is why we were able to see them.

Blessed Be.

Albatross


Just A Dream Nov 11th. at 7:50:26 pm UTC

squib (Oregon) Age: 32 - Email


sometime between the full moon and samhain i dreamed i had to find something in a room full of thousands of eggs. What i needed was in an egg, and i had to break each egg individually to find what i was looking for. In the dream, i just remembered thinking "I'm going to be doing this the rest of my life". Looking, for something, amongst perfection i have to destroy. I guess... I'm still workig it out.

I'm not so good at "regular" divination, but occasionally the odd dream comes along and i understand something.


Some Thoughts Nov 12th. at 8:08:14 am UTC

Mafdet-Athtor (Miami, Florida) Age: 15 - Email


I didn't neccesarily look into any specific time or place. Instead I searched for my departed loved ones, for my uncle who was newly gone and for my best friend Raven whom I lost a few years ago. I felt Raven near as a strong presence, but my uncle was quite faint and dissapeared like the snuffing of a candle. Perhaps, since he was newly departed, he hasn't rested enough in the Summerlands to meddle in matters of human life.
As for forms of divination, usually I only meditate and ask questions and hope for answers. Raven and I were closer than sisters, so many times when I ask for answers I feel her there taking my questions away, then returning with the answers. Maybe it makes no sense, but I think she is my soulmate and now my spirit guide, hence why I use her as my divination source. I've never heard of anyone using a spirit as their only divination source, but if you have, I would really like to know.
Many things I have found through divination have come true. Usually I don't know the meaning of what I find until after the event happens and I put the two together, which suggests to me I have a lot more wisdom to aquire. However, I now believe that men are not to know ther faiths, so they are shown them cryptically but not enough to control their actions. Fate is fate and cannot be changed, but still, we must make our choices blindly or go mad with thinking that we only follow a predestined path.
Bright Blessings


Dreams Nov 12th. at 9:22:44 am UTC

Foxfire (Flintstone,GA) Age: 34 - Email


Last week I dreamed of twin tornadoes. I figured it was about the issues I have going on in my life right now.Two days later I went to the ER with an acute asthma attack-- I stopped breathing! Then we had these tonadoes come through our area. In my dream the tonadoes were scary at first, but they did no damage. I came home from the ER the night I went in, and my family suffered no damage from the storms. I figured my dream was symbolic, but... I don't know...


Disappointed Nov 12th. at 2:45:21 pm UTC

Terri Adrian (Oswego NY) Age: 41 - Email


I was unable to do anything special for Samhain this year and I was very dissappointed about that. I have, however, enjoyed reading most of the entries here....that is with the exception of one in particular....the one at the end from danielle in TX. I dont understand how anyone can be so cruel and coldhearted. What ever happened to "you do your thing and I will do mine and we will leave each other alone"....namely, TOLERANCE! No one is asking you to change your ways and yet you jump right in and criticize people anyway. You must be a very angry and hurt person to be able to say such things. I feel sorry for you. I hope that someday you will feel loved enough to be tolerant of others. I wish you peace.


Not Very Successful Nov 12th. at 4:52:34 pm UTC

DolphinSmile (Austin, TX) Age: 21 - Email


I have never played with an Ouija board before, until this Samhain. I went to a party with a bunch of other Pagans, and Pagan-friendly people. We tried the Ouija board but all we got was mostly jibberish. They said that was because the veil was thin and a whole bunch of spirits were all pushing and shoving to talk to us. I'd never heard of that, but I guess it makes sense.

I was skeptical, and still am a little, although I did get my turn having my hand on the pointer with three other people, and I know *I* didn't move it! We got a few names spelled out but that was about it. The rest of the night was mostly spent partying, although we did set up an altar to the dead too, and some people put photos and offerings on it, which was nice.


All The Time. Nov 12th. at 5:33:09 pm UTC

Seth (Goulburn, Australia) Age: 18 - Email - Web


For like 2 years I have had dreams that show me the future. I didn't ask for these dreams, or did I do any ritual to get them. It was these dreams that turned me to withcraft.

When I see the future, it is always accurate. I foresaw the terrorist attack in Bali: I was in bed when suddenly I heard a loud explosion, metal rattling, and felt the sensation of alcohol been near. Just 9 days later, the bomb attack occured on the nightclub.

I think the only reason the future is fixed is that we don't know enough of what is coming to change it. When I receive my dreams of the future, the details are always too sketchy to do anything about it.


Memories Of My Mom Nov 12th. at 5:59:22 pm UTC

Filomena Sophia (The Recesses of the Dark Shadows of My Mad Mind) Age: 32 - Email


Being born the day before Samhain has always made that time of year special for me, even having been raised as a Lutheran. Things always seem to happen to me just around my birthday, and this year was no exception. Just a few short days before my 32nd, I had a very visual dream that my mom's spirit entered my body while I was sitting at a piano. Now, beyond one simple song, I have never been able to play the piano. My mom, on the other hand, had been a very talented piano player during her recent incarnation. She mostly liked show tunes and gospel songs, but in the dream, with her spirit inside me, I was playing the most incredible Beethoven--I was truly amazed. It has inspired me to look into taking piano lessons. I want to learn to actually play. I think that would bring me closer to my mom (since we never agreed on anything when she was alive--not politics, religion, or even how best to clean a house LOL!)
Blessings of Darkness,
~Mena


Old Friends Nov 12th. at 6:44:25 pm UTC

Maedhril (the den, somewhere in NY) Age: 16 - Email - Web


The night before Samhain - or was it two nights? I forget - I dreamed of an old familiar of mine, a cat called Jesse. I could almost swear she was right there in the room with me. Perhaps she was; until the next thinning of the veil, I can't know.

Most of the magick I do deals with divination; it's the area in which I happen to be most skilled. Mostly I use tarot cards, but I've also developed my own technique using a box of brightly colored stones and a gauze cloth. I lay out the cloth (which is striped in green, aqua, cerulean, and navy blue) and sit down at one end. I shake the box. Closing my eyes, I reach into the box and pull out three stones, which I then toss onto the cloth. I repeat this process twice more until I have nine stones scattered on the cloth. Picking up my wand, I look at stones that are laid out in straight lines and interpret them accordingly. The farther a stone is from me, the farther into the future I'm looking; if the stone leaves the cloth, I'm looking into a future life. It's all about patterns, really. Each stone represents an event, and each event is linked to others in a chain. The stones each have a basic meaning, but their specific meaning changes as time passes. For example, a stone meaning health can predict an accident one week; once that accident happens, it will then predict recovery.

Unfortunately, the things I've seen in the past have come true, somehow or another. Mine's a pesky gift - I'm never sure how true the visions are, yet hindsight becomes painfully clear, and I can always tell what the harbingers were once the event has passed. (I will tell you that I knew what Darren from Savage Garden looked like based solely on his voice. Strange, hm?) Visions usually come in dreams; this can be a problem, because I have past-life dreams as well as prophetic ones. It's even more difficult when I begin to have visions concerning acquaintances. I can't do anything major because I don't know if I'm wrong or not. All I can do is keep an eye on the person or people involved.

Certainly the future can be changed; visions are only a warning of how things will be if nobody does anything about them. The problem is this: most people don't heed visions as warnings, and thus let fate take its course. That's why it's so frustrating to have seeress tendencies. I see things happening that I can't stop, even if I am warned ahead of time.

Wind to thy wings -

M


Crystal Ball Of Light Nov 12th. at 7:04:39 pm UTC

Journey (Longmeadow/Boston) Age: 20 - Email


This is my favorite form of divination, mostly because it was the first thing that I ever made up on my own.
This is for all of us wo love the mystique of the crystal ball, but have not the cash to purchase one:
Go through your regular cleansing/ grounding / circle casting practices
When you are ready to begin, visualize the power of your ancetors upholding you, and the light of the godess filling you.
Hold out your dominant hand and visualize a pearl pure white of light, slowly imagine the light expanding, filling with the knowledge of the past, present and future.
When the ball reaches yiur desired size, see the light start to change, till you hold in your hand a perfectly clear crystal ball.
Use as you would a regular crystal ball

I find that this works wonders, just don't "drop" it, trust me.
This also, because of the personal power it embodies, works better for me that any other divination source I have tried.


Definatly Tarot Cards, Divination Tool Of Choice Nov 13th. at 5:01:36 am UTC

Dimi (Anchorage, Alaska) Age: 15 - Email


i scry with water. as for past or future...i seem to find more predicitons than I do see the past. actually i rarely see the past, and i can't control what i scry for either so I wouldn't be able to just 'look'. I do really well with tarot cards though, I think I like them more because I can actually feel the cards and connect with them. with scrying i can't connect. I feel like I'm on the out side looking in (or maybe the inside looking out) either way I don't have any type of bond with my scrying bowl. I get my 'witch sense' from touch most of the time so that to adds to why I like the cards better, I can pick up more details. And my most profound insight would probably be insight into my self. I didn't have allot of self confidence in many of the things I did, but with divination I could record what I predicted and I could actually see how accurate I was. ok i'm not going to go off on here about a bunch of self discovery and all that (don't worry). but what do i think about the future and how it can be changed.....well if i was doing a reading and I found the end result...less-desirable I think I could change it. the challenge is knowing how. the cards give you a glimps to what CAN happen, not what WILL happen. it gives you a chance to look things over and correct your self if need be. like paths, it can show you if you take this path then this will happen. or it would not be good for you if you kept on doing what your doing.

And every one seems to be talking about dreams....well as for me on that subject I don't really listen to my dreams. they are so....complex. I mean I remember the whole dream and theres so much detail and so much sub-plot that I got tired of writing them down. if I think its significant then I will record it. some people say its a message from my sub conscience, *shrugs* maybe it is but I also think that my mind 'plays' with the message before it gets to me. as for premonishions. I hate those. i mean some times its like you call up the person, warn them, they don't believe you, it happens and they follow you around the rest of the week wide eyed and keep poking you asking you to do it again.....(try saying that 10 times ^^) I just think its a hassle to deal with.

and note to Danielle: I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about. its ok, there are alot of ignorant (or ignoramus depends on how you look at it, aye?) people on this planet. you shall blend in nicely. and second, that link was very....creative. and inventive i must say, put right under fiction. and taking quotes from whywiccanssuck.com is not the best either. yes i've read the whole site, and sure they have a few good points, but i think they were directed at the wrong people. they said we (Pagans) judge the Christians as a whole, and that they are all the same. well they just judged Wiccans as a whole and all the same. not to mention ranting half the time. yes ranting and scolding, not informing. also you practically calling others fakes (like you would honestly know) is insulting.

I'm sorry this was off topic. But stupidity annoys me. ending statement: people do things their own way, in their own style, and as differently as they like. get over it.

Brightest Blessings
Dimi


Dreams Nov 13th. at 9:38:53 am UTC

Bluemoon (Scotia,NY) Age: 42 - Email


I do believe your fate is written out for you but only if you egnore lifes warnings. I've been a dreamer since about the age of 4. Through much study and meditation I've developed it into a very useful form of divination. Writting out your dreams and meditating on them will eventually give you your meaning. The most important thing to remember is to never let anyone else interpret for you. Dreams are ment only for you and only you will be able to understand what it means for you. Sometimes you won't get the meaning until afterwards but that only serves as a lesson to your interprtation ability. It will help you know what to look for next time. Practice makes perfect. If you egnore something that you feel strongly about for fear of ridicule it can be devistating. My favorite book for helping me with this gift is "Consciouse Dreaming" by Robert Moss.
LOL, Bluemoon


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