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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| I Just Wanted To Let Some Of You Know That Even Though... ||Sep 15th. at 4:25:16 pm UTC|
|Sedna (Clairton , Pennsylvania US) ||Age: 36 |
I just wanted to let some of you know that even though I am a Salitare I belong to no one coven but am a part of many groups, in fact I am the only Witch in my little town and everyone know's. So it was a surprise to have many of them come to me after this tragic act and ask what the Wiccan people are doing and how do we pray. On September 14th 2001 at 7pm many of them showed up at the town park and braught there candles as I sugested and I showed them. It was wounderfull!!
Yes there is a Goddess and she hears us all, . Keep trying never give up
P/S Many of them were surprised to see it was'nt so different after all :)
| Merry Meet (although I Wonder If That Is Appropriate At This Time... ||Sep 15th. at 4:40:59 pm UTC|
|Gwydion Elkmoon (Lancaster, Pennsylvania US) ||Age: 57 - Email |
Merry Meet (Although I wonder if that is appropriate at this time.) It is sad, so very very sad that it took an incident such as the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon for us in this country to wake up to the realization that unless we change our perspective on life and living, we will eventually lose our soul as a people. I was deeply touched by the pulling together America has shown since the attacks, from the unprecidented acts of volunteerism to the donations of blood to aid the victims. Gone is the "MEism" so prevalent in today's society, at least for now, and it is really like a breath of fresh air seeing people actually being polite to each other once again. Our driving has become less agressive, we don't seem in such of a hurry and it seems like we are caring a little more about our fellow man. Was this a wake-up call for America? I think so, because this is not the end of terrorism in the United States. It will happen again, and unless we pull together as a people in this country and STAY together, we can expect only a world of chaos for our children. Our nation is a blessed nation, financially, materially and in it's diversity. We have the highest standard of living in the world. But with blessing comes responsibility. We have also become a nation of narcissistic self-worshippers, who glorify violence and guns with phallic reverence, measure a person's worth not by humanitarian efforts, but by money and materialistic gain. We fight with those of different faiths and even amongst ourselves (witch wars)in the misguided belief that we alone have the right answers. I am Pagan because I believe in this planet. I am Pagan because I cannot relate to a religion that carries a violent image as it's symbol and harrasses people who don't believe as they do. I am Pagan because I deplore violence and hateful acts as we have witnessed this past Tuesday. Although I believe those responsible should be brought to justice, why is it nessesary to harm the innocent? To seek revenge, the most worthless of causes, puts us no higher on the scale of humanity than the perpetrators of these evil acts. I had a dream the night before the terrorist attacks of a plane crashing and burning into a city. I awoke sweating and shaken. That day the dream manifested itself into reality. Psychic vision? Perhaps. But more of a message that I should change my perspecive on a lot of things in my life and love those close to me just a little more and care more about my country and my fellow man. This is a call for us all to unite, for divided we will indeed fall. Blessed be.
| Earth Healing Ritualthis Ritual Has Been Written So It May Be... ||Sep 15th. at 4:44:31 pm UTC|
|Jarrien Wolf (Somewhere in Scotland, England UK) ||Age: 39 |
Earth Healing Ritual
This ritual has been written so it may be performed by a multitude of faiths whose sole purpose is to send healing to the Earth and to bid loved ones a safe passage. This is done without any preference to race or religious belief and should be performed in an open circle.
The ceremony should also be performed in the early evening, preferably outdoors if possible although this can be conducted inside. If outside you need a central fire, if inside a central candle.
Placed around the fire (or candle) in a circle are night-lights (or small candles) which remain there until the close.
Once everyone has arrived, you can begin. If anyone wishes to join in while the ceremony/ritual is in progress they can quietly find a place to stand inside the circle. Once inside the circle it is better if people stay until the end, unless they really feel the need to exit.
Earth Healing Ritual
1 First person enters the circle from the west, they then walk a full circle and settle in the North.
2 Once the first person is in place the second person enters the circle and again walks a full circle before standing in the South.
3 Once the second person is in place the third person enters and walks a full circle before settling in the East
4 Once the third person is in place the fourth enters and walks a full circle and settles in the West.
The person in the West, then takes three casual steps towards the South. Once everyone has entered the circle they return to their place in the West.
Once this is done the North speaks:
"We are gathered here this eve, to join united in faith, in love and in light. We offer healing prayers to our brothers and sisters and to the Earth, in the spirit of harmony and without the boundaries set by man.
Now you know of our intent, we invite you to join in our prayers within this circle, without fear, without judgement and of your own free will. Should you choose to do so. we ask that you do so now."
The people then walk into the circle (one at a time) and are guided to walk once around before taking up their positions. First person stands on the left of the north and the next, next to them. People should be spread evenly around the circle.
The person in the West then says:
"We have gathered here today to offer healing to the Earth and to our brothers and sisters for the loss and pain they have suffered. I ask that the South step forth and light the flame so we may begin."
At this point the person in the South steps forward and lights the fire or central candle, then returns to their place in the South. The fire should be prepared before hand using kindling and papers, if required use fire-lighters to get the fire going.
The person in the East then says:
"Now the sacred fire burns let it lift our prayers of light and healing skyward so they may travel across the world to be shared by all.
The person in the North then says:
"All faiths and races are welcome here today. I ask that we offer a moment of silence so those amongst us may offer a prayer to their own deities in the knowledge that they are safe to do so."
The circle then falls quiet for a moment and waits until everyone is ready to proceed.
The people standing in the quarters each in turn; turn to face the outside of the circle and say the following. Once finished they then turn to face inside the circle again.
"We ask those in the North to step forth and hear our prayers of Love, Peace and Unity. In this may you grant us strength and wisdom that we may share with those near us and with those from afar."
"We ask those in the South to step forth and hear our prayers of Love, Peace and Unity. In this may you grant us protection and cleansing that we may share with those near us and with those from afar."
"We ask those in the East to step forth and hear our prayers of Love, Peace and Unity. In this may you grant us awareness and intelligence that we may share with those near us and with those from afar."
"We ask those in the West to step forth and hear our prayers of Love, Peace and Unity. In this may you grant us healing and wisdom that we may share with those near us and with those from afar."
The West then turns back into the circle. Once this has been done, North, South, East and West all turn together to face the outside of the circle and say:
"Together we stand in Peace and Love, our prayers we offer to those above. As above we look below, harmony and healing are seeds we sow."
The North then takes one step forward into the circle and says:
"We welcome you this eve to stand united as one, one spirit, one earth, one circle begun. These words we offer from our hearts and souls, from this day forth let the healing unfold. Join us now should you so feel right, and repeat these words unto the night"
"For those who have loved and now have lost" (Wait for others) "Our prayers now travel, the barriers crossed" (Wait for others) "Now let justice reign over vengeance's might" (Wait for others) "So innocents are spared from a similar plight" (Wait for others) "Let tears now shed, now be gently caught" (Wait for others) "Love's hearts shared will not come to naught" (Wait for others) "As flames now flicker with this healing light" (Wait for others) "Let it lighten hearts with Love, this night" (Wait for others) "Now in this circle, these words have been told" (Wait for others) "Carry them forth so that the world may hold" (Wait for others) "Our Loves, our faiths, and our common beliefs" (Wait for others) "Respected in truth, they now grant us relief"
Pause for reflection
"Now for this moment the circle has told, of our loves held dear so our wishes unfold. Accept this candle to burn in your home, for the Earth, the sick and those alone. Burn it as you would will, for true faith would never cause you ill. For those who have lost and those in fear, know now your deities hold you close and dear."
The West then walks to the centre and collects a number of night-lights. These are then passed to the people to the left of the West up to the North. The North then collects some candles and hands them to people until they reach the East. The East does the same and stops in the South. Then the South hands out candles to the people in the final quarter.
The person in the North then turns to face outside the circle and says:
"We thank those in the North for joining us in this circle and for hearing our prayers. May you go with peace and love in your hearts, for all to share."
The person in the South then turns to face outside the circle and says:
"We thank those in the South for joining us in this circle and for hearing our prayers. May you go with peace and love in your hearts, for all to share."
The person in the East then turns to face outside the circle and says:
"We thank those in the East for joining us in this circle and for hearing our prayers. May you go with peace and love in your hearts, for all to share."
The person in the West then turns to face outside the circle and says:
"We thank those in the West for joining us in this circle and for hearing our prayers. May you go with peace and love in your hearts, for all to share."
The North then turns to the person on their right and asked them to quietly leave the circle walking anti-clockwise. They walk once round the circle and exit once they reach the west, having past it once.
Then the West asks the person nearest them to walk anti-clockwise around the circle and they exit once they reach the West again.The South asks the person next to them to do the same and the East does the same.
Once those in the circle have left, it is then time for those who have held the quarters to unwind the circle.
The person who is in the North walks once around the circle before exiting in the West, the person in the South follows next, then the person in the East. Finally the person in the West walks once around the circle before exiting from the West.
Each person who has held a quarter salutes the circle and offers a quiet but sincere thank you to the circle once they have exited.
Afterwards it would be a good idea to offer drinks and some food to all who have attended.
Earth Healing Ritual written by Jarrien Wolf - 14th September 2001
This ritual may be reproduced at will, printed and/or posted on other websites. I don't mind if people retain the copyright or not as this ceremony was written to be shared. It is my hope that it helps in some small way whatever your belief, race or culture... Blessed Be!
| The Events Of Tuesday Are Real, They Belong In A Movie. Those... ||Sep 15th. at 4:51:44 pm UTC|
|Tiamat Selene (Columbia Heights, Minnesota US) ||Age: 17 - Email |
The events of Tuesday are real, they belong in a movie. Those were my thoughts as I watched the t.v. My second thought was what would have happeded if they did this a year ago, when I was on plane coming to live with my Dad in MN. I felt a part of me die as I watched the people jump out of the twin towers. To have lost all hope, is the worst feeling in the world. I firmly believe that we should stop this kind of madness. As a Pagan, I had hoped the Burning Times and Salem Witch Trails would be the only and the last times religious fanatics would hurt and kill people, but they aren't, and it is our duty to stop them now and with any means nessaray. As I grow up, I will feel safer knowing that I live in a country that is willing to come to our defence. If this means war, so be it. In the words Ozzy Ozborne.'Thank God for the bomb.' I know that some people won't agree with me but I believe that the punishment should fit the crime!
And as for the extream pasifisim that seems to be the view of some Americans I say WAKE UP, pasifism is not the answer, it gets people killed. When we sit here and do nothing we are inviting others to come and do what they will with us. We must take the offence so we can be assured of our freedom and get back to our cushy little lives.
Lord and Lady Bless. And may their Karma come back to them 10 fold. (and may we help it to do so.)
| An Open Letter To All Creatures Of The Worldi Have Listened... ||Sep 15th. at 4:53:49 pm UTC|
|Sherry Penoyer (Everett, Washington US) ||Age: 43 - Email |
An open letter to all creatures of the world
I have listened. I have sat in horror. I have cried. I have l felt hopeless. I have felt fearful. I have listened. This world doesn’t scare me. This world is my home and the home of those I love. This world confuses me.
Destruction now seems to be the way to bring people together. Last night I met neighbors for the first time in three years. Why? Are we really that different? What are our differences? Our physical structure? No. Our mental structure? Possibly. I believe it’s called socialization. Or would that be philosophy? That is definitely different. But is it really so very different?
I have listened. The many sound-bytes of the media invoke “God” over and over. I hear our leaders making assumptions about the people’s philosophy. I have come to understand that it’s not because they are arrogant or insensitive. Maybe it’s simply that they’ve never been asked to be inclusive in a manner that goes beyond laws and rulebooks, beyond standard operating procedures for dealing with the masses.
I have listened. To a young woman as she asked, “Where is the Goddess in all of this?” I had no answer for her. I was still listening.
I have bled. For 18 days now I have bled. Bleeding is something the female does as an affirmation of life. When the male bleeds, it is an affirmation of illness and death. When creatures bleed in a group, it is destruction. It is power and control, it is retribution for the differences – supposed or real, though as the science of genetics has shown us we are much more alike than different. It is a way to keep or put the masses in line. It is terrorism. The response is a reaction, by many who know no better, to seek out the different as they conceive it: To isolate the different and take action to change it or to eradicate it.
This is what the Tuesday attacks of terrorism attempted. This is what our government attempts to do when training a group of persons in acts of destruction, regardless of whether toward the enemy of the time, or in aid of people. The physiology of laughing and crying are the same. What makes the difference is the emotional filter present. Laughing and crying will not harm another creature or this planet. Terrorism, war, whatever it’s name, destroys lives as well as the planet.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
And it harm none, do what you will.
You shall reap what you sow.
Everything you send out returns threefold.
These phrases come from two differing philosophies. They aren’t that different if you just read the phrases. But the roots, the wings, that’s different.
One invokes a “God” who many follow blindly and with great faith knowing a great place awaits them beyond this life. He is often referred to as “Father” and is seen as the ultimate power and the One invoked to make others see the error of their ways. You must repent your “sins” and be counted among the “faithful” in order to considered for His wonders. He is the “Yahweh” of the Old Testament. He is the same “God” for those of the faiths known as Judiasm, Christianity, and Muslim. He is the “One God” of monotheism.
One invokes a “Goddess” who is revered as present in all things in the world, who is immediate and encourages the continuation of life and family and harmony amongst all things sharing this organism called Earth. She is often referred to as Mother Earth, though She has many names and many faces. She has as many ways of being, from loving to chaos. She is self-perpetuating and death is as much a part of Her as life. She is shared by all. Belief is not a prerequisite for Her to be there. Like your mother, She’s there whether you like Her or not, whether you’ve seen Her or not. She’s seen you. She knows your scent and your sound. She’s carried you in her belly and brought you forth into this world but She won’t carry you across the sand. She is the sand. She is you. She is also the one you call your enemy. She is the place to which your physical body will return at the end of this life. She is the beginning of the cycle and the end of the cycle. And the cycle continues even as the wheel turns. She is the pantheism of gods and goddesses throughout all time. Hers is not an organized way of religion but rather a way of living a life in harmony with many. She doesn’t claim to be superior or inferior. She just is. The same as women throughout the world who just are. Who take care of so much without bringing it to your notice.
That’s become my job, bringing it to your notice.
The world needs all things. The male and female, the God and Goddess, the Muslim, the Jewish, the Christian, the Pagan, the Witch, the Shaman, the Buddhist, The Taoist, the Sikh, the Shinto, and others. All things life affirming shall be recognized and respected. All beings and creatures who bring life out of chaos shall be invoked and revered. Our language, our national language, should reflect this. All philosophies look to a God/dess as the embodiment of their belief.
Give validity to all peoples by showing respect for all the many parts. Start by recognizing the Goddess as well as the God. Semantics are more than just words. It’s not the tip of the iceberg that causes life or death but the huge foundation under the waterline. Show your respect for all peoples and affirm all life. When you thank “God” thank the “Goddess” as well. Use “Goddess” as often as you use “God.” The thousands missing and slaughtered in the name of someone’s version of “God” were brought into this world through the blood of their mothers. That bleeding was for something beyond the petty differences of mankind. That bleeding was the hope of the future and the hope of the world. Mothers everywhere cry for the children that will not be. Mothers everywhere cry for the children that will not have a chance to hear their parent’s voice singing a lullabye or telling a story of “Once upon a time…”
Meanwhile the Father speaks of wrath and retribution in an effort to protect those he loves. He speaks of differences and everywhere there is chaos and confusion. Our only way out of it is to walk through it together. Hand in hand and heart to heart. We shall reap what we sow, and so shall those who have done their sowing.
Where does it all end. If everything sent out returns threefold, we would send out how many missiles in return for the planes that were the carriers of such death and destruction in Tuesday’s attack. And then how many more tools of retribution will be volleyed back and forth. I don’t want a volley of weapons. I want a world of colors and freedom for my daughters and their children and grandchildren and all those who come after I am long returned to dust. When a woman fights, it’s to keep her children safe. It’s not nice, it’s not pretty, it’s lethal, for nothing is as sacred as her child.
Mothers – light a candle and see your child’s face in the flame. Watch as something comes hurtling out of the sky and extinguishes that face. What are you going to do?
Now you see my confusion. Now you hear my cry. Mothers grant life. We don’t take it away. But this is a matter of our children. We cannot stand by and let those we have bled for give their blood in vain. We should not stand by and let those we have bled for take the lives of others whose mothers have gone through such peril to bring them out of the dark. What do we do?
Start by changing the language. Start by revering the blood that brought life forth on this planet. Start by acknowledging half the population of the planet and the planet itself. Start by thinking about what the repercussions are seven generations down before you decide to take action. And when you take action, know that it must be to put an end to it. Not simply to slap a hand and say, “you need a time out.”
And I challenge women everywhere to stand up and speak out and be heard. Is this how you taught your children to behave? Is this how you want your children treated. Your children are spread throughout the world, for it is a finite world and there is no escape for your children, or your grandchildren. How shall we leave our world, women. In the hands of men who only understand the destructive forces of blood? Or shall we endeavor to teach them the affirmation of life’s blood?
Help me to establish a world whereby the bedtime story starts “Once upon a time…” and ends with “…and they all LIVED.”
No, I don’t offer a solution, just a step along the way. I suggest we all work together each doing what we do best, each with respect for the lives of our fellow travelers, each without fear of being singled out because of our differences. Yes, I’m a witch, a priestess of the Goddess, and I will endeavor to work in harmony with all. I have my part as you have yours. We’re in this together. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
With love and respect,
| I'm Angry Over The Incidents That Have Recently Occurred In The U.s... ||Sep 15th. at 5:35:15 pm UTC|
|Jennifer Whildin (Absecon, New Jersey US) ||Age: 33 - Email |
I'm angry over the incidents that have recently occurred in the U.S. I feel the same as most people have expressed: I want to find out who did this and I hope Bush sends a military strike at them.
On another note, as much as I understand religious people wanting to join together in prayer, I have a problem with Bush declaring a Day of Prayer. Atheists and agnostics care and are angry, too. And earth-based religions like Wicca and Santeria aren't acknowledged, really. Bush doesn't even consider Wicca a religion, I've read. I'm not Wiccan; I'm agnostic, but I want everyone to be acknowledged.
Finally, I'm also upset at the prejudice being pointed at American Muslims, Arabs, and others. Being Muslim or Middle Eastern doesn't make one a terrorist. They have lost people, too, and are angry over this situation. There have been physical assaults on these people by fellow Americans. We mustn't let our anger and hatred blind us.
| I Beheld This Vision Upon The Eve Of This Terrible Event. This... ||Sep 15th. at 5:44:09 pm UTC|
|Esulan De Kar`tajan (Oneonta, , New York US) ||Age: 20 - Email |
I beheld this vision upon the eve of this terrible event. This part of that vision I share, there was more, and too personal for words, but served to comfort me, and to asuage my rage. Please contact me if you wish to use this in any way.
Esulan de Kar`tajan
And They rode through the streets
Four horsemen astride grand chargers
Silence fell as They passed
And the skies wept that They had come.
War came first, as was His right,
His mount eager and prancing
fire-eyed and proud
colored like steel, galloping
Famine followed War
with a gray swaddled bundle
held close to Her chest
Her rattle-boned mare's eyes
rolling whitely, as at a halting trot They sped.
Next came Pestilance
astride a scabbbed and spavined beast
both covered in running sores, and boils that swelled
cantering onward, daring not slow
Last yet also first,
at a slow and stately pace
atop a pale and ghostly stallion
came a Lady, borne of grace
and as She looked about Her
Her eyes were filled with tears
No, Mortal never doubt it
Death is a Lady, and She too feels
The Four rode on never slowing,
War, Famine, Pestilance, and Death
They passed down streets and claimed them
and the last sang sad lament
By ancient custom and enchantment
none saw Them as They flew
They paused but briefly before two towers
and the Lady wept anew.
The Lady reached out and She claimed them
those marked there by demise
and tears of compassion coursed palid cheeks
as She ended each agony filled life
and the shadows of Her sorrows clouded Her gentle eyes
She bowed Her head despairing
took she a child in Her arms
She looked to War in askance
"Why led Thou We four hither?"
Softly did She speak
no answer did return for Her appeal
She turned then unto Famine
and voiced She then Her rage
demanded, "Why, why could these be not claimed by eld?"
"is not the one Thou carrys thus, enough?"
"or must all mothers mourn as Thou brings children unto dust"
In Her anger turned She away
for Famine knew not what reply to make
Turned She finally to Pestilance and cried
"by Thine hand, how many more shall come to die?"
In self defense He made a plee
"But Lady" spake He, "Naught of this was done by I"
This to Her was far too much, it cut Her to the quick
"Ah" She could be heard retorting, "I know Thee all to well"
"Thou merely bides Thine time until more Thou can so fell"
"For Thou still rides with Us, I see"
"Do Thou then not attempt to hide Thine intent from Me."
Gently then, laid She the child down
Weeping, knelt She, there upon the ground
The others watched Her silently
With Their heads bowed oh so lowly
And then one spoke after some time had passed
"Come now dear Lady, away We must"
"sorrow no more for numbered mortal days"
"in the end this is the price that each living pays"
She heard the wisdom of those words
and heeded did She for She understood
that the burden must be borne
and that if She chose to not be cruel, but kind
Then the time had come again
when She must ride
though She weep until the end of time.
And She would weep always for mankind.
| I Live In Norfolk, Virginia And So Am Constantly Surrounded By The... ||Sep 15th. at 6:07:39 pm UTC|
|Sylvan (Norfolk, Virginia US) ||Age: 43 |
I live in Norfolk, Virginia and so am constantly surrounded by the military. For the whole of my adult life most of my friends have been Navy personnel (though I have never served). My next door neighbor is Navy. My neighbor directly across the street is high ranking Navy. Not only are we the largest Naval base in the world but the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard also have a large presence here. Every major event in the world impacts our community because our friends and neighbors put out to sea to meet the challenge. Now this. I kmow the need for retribution as many have stated. And from the words of our president I can see it coming. It is obvious here that the military is preparing for a major engagement. My whole point in posting here is to remind everyone that revenge will come at a dear price. Those lost in the attack may be only a small percentage of the ultimate loss. These too will be our friends, neighbors, and family. Pray not only for those already gone, but for those who may follow.
| Sydney Hearth I Am Sure We All The Shared The Same Feelings... ||Sep 15th. at 6:16:24 pm UTC|
|Sydney Hearth (Prescott Valley, Arizona US) ||Age: 41 |
I am sure we all the shared the same feelings on Tuesday morning...horror, disbelief, incomprehension, utter shock. How these feelings are expressed in the days that follow are more diversified however...angry statements of revenge, helpless tears, proactive actions, paralysis, or a combination of all of these. A very strong tool when faced with an enemy who haas acted against us is a retrospective look at all of our own actions toward this enemy. Have we invited hostility in any way? A look in the mirror , if you will, of any part we may have played in the perpetuation of "evil". Perhaps backing the Talumud in Afganistan to ward off the expansion of Russia was not a good idea as it strenghthened them tremendously. Perhaps backing Iraq in their war against Iran, out of no sense of frindship toward Iraq but hoping it would solve a bigger problem for us, may not have been a good idea. Perhaps ousting the Shaw of Iran in the "70's, not realizing who would take over was not the best idea. We as pagans(or Christians )would never conduct our personal lives in such a way. Why should international politics operate on a different value system than common decency?
We have all heard the cries of unhappy citizens in the past that government is corrupt, Bush, Clinton, Bush, are capitalists out only for personal gain. Is it any wonder that the third world sees our government the same way? Was this really such a surprise?
There are many forms of retaliation to annhialate an enemy..it is never war as history has shown over and and over again if we only had the courage and maturity as a nation to look at it. War is a temporary solution. Perhaps it will stop Terrorism temporarily, though doubtful, but in the end it will build resentments and hatred and mistrust through oppression. It is simply bad bad Karma. It takes incredible courage to look at new ways of approaching problems, more courage than than we as a nation probably have, but actions first start as thoughts. then as people sharing their thoughts. Let our thoughts be not led by fueling rage but by the goddess we say we believe in.
And it do no harm.....
| My Fellow Pagans:the Tradgic Events Which Happened On The 11th Of... ||Sep 15th. at 7:01:35 pm UTC|
|Joshua Nelson (Norfolk, Virginia US) ||Age: 22 - Email |
My Fellow Pagans:
The tradgic events which happened on the 11th of September were just attacks on the United States and our fundamentals but also and attack on relgious freedom throughtout the civilized world as we know it. The people who committed these atrocities did so in the name of there god. A god who says that anyone who opposes him should be condemmed to death and his followers should carry out this work by killing on his command. These are the same principle used by the catholic church during the time of the witch hunts during the middle ages. These acts in our modern civilized world are not tolerated by anyone and should be justified for any reason. For those who think that this was an attack against a "corrupt impeialistic system" wich suppresses all of these different cultures throughout the world you are wrong in your thoughts and ideals. There is a big difference between the United States and those who comnmitted these cowardly acts. This is the only country in world in which all of us as individual people can do and say anything we chose including lashing out at the very system in which is designated to protect ud like so many do each day. Other countries in which these religious fanatics reside there is no such freedom. Infact in these other countries there are people just like you and me that themselves are yearning to be free but are scared of there own system and religion which oppresses them and condems people to death for thinking different. Is that truly a system to live under? not by my standards. People the United States does not govern this world to control other nations. For the past sixty years we have put the risk of many free american lives to liberate the oppressed of this world and to try and put and end to persecution and there is no other nation which has designated more time to solving world problems if you think its easy living in other nations than why don't you try living in Afghanistan or Russia over there witchcraft is not heard of. The fact is that fear is not a way to live. Fear of relgious persecution is what these attacks were all about and being who live in a free society we should all stand together as Americans and as decent human beings fight against the dark forces of this world who want to see us dissappear. And perhaps maybe one day we will all share this world together under the same principles of freedom but until then we should all stand together and fight oppression throughout this world and show that we are strong.
| My Predominant Feeling Tonight (9/15) Is That It's Really Good To... ||Sep 15th. at 7:15:50 pm UTC|
|Cat (Asheville, North Carolina US) ||Age: 34 |
My predominant feeling tonight (9/15) is that it's really good to hear pagans talking. All week I kept checking in at the Voice, even though I knew it would take days to get any response up on the web. At work I've felt isolated. Every time I turn around it's "God bless" something (usually America), and I'm torn between knowing that it doesn't really matter what the divine is called, and knowing that a lot of people mean something very different from "my" god.
Also, I'm feeling politically alienated. Relatively few people agree with me that while this is horrible, it's not exactly illogical, nor exactly unprovoked by U.S. policy. In pursuit of economic profit, the U.S. supports governments not backed by the people; it enforces trade agreements which foster and widen inequities between the rich and poor; it backs governments which use terrorism against their own people. When it's someone else's proble--I mean, they get this stuff in Palestine all the time--we don't especially care, but when it's U.S. soil, we act like we'd never heard of such horror. Maybe we haven't; but all that means is that we haven't paid attention. I'm not having much luck convincing my students or my colleagues that this could be a wakeup call from which we could learn a lot.
Then there's all the rhetoric of violence, vengeance, punishment. But here too looking at causes might tell us something. The expressed goal of Osama Bin Laden, if indeed he's the culprit (heck, if he even exists--he's almost too convenient a scapegoat), is to get the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, which we've occupied since the Gulf War a decade ago; he also feels the U.S. backed government is a puppet tyranny. While I don't know enough about Saudi Arabia to critique its government, I know a good deal about what the U.S. looks for in the governments it backs, which is mostly economic benefit. And can't you just imagine how the U.S. would feel if we'd had another war in Mexico a decade ago, the USSR had come in to "help", and then it had told us that it would keep troops in the U.S. indefinitely to help "defend" us? We'd go to war over it in a heartbeat. That's what Bin Laden has done, and everybody says he's crazy. He might well be, of course; but if we're going to talk about insane world leaders, we'd better be prepared for that rhetoric not to stop with our enemies.
Well, rant over. To "end where I begun", it's good to hear pagans talking, and even better to find out what I already suspected: that compared to most Christians of my acquaintance, the pagans are showing more temperance and more hope for a non-war solution. Glad to hear youall's "voices"; everybody, blessed be, and hang in. If our prayers are really as magical as we hope they are, maybe we'll see some results.
| There Are So Many Thouhts Going Through My Head Right Now About... ||Sep 15th. at 7:39:09 pm UTC|
|Angel (Coventry, Rhode Island US) ||Age: 22 |
There are so many thouhts going through my head right now about the terrible events on tuesday. Being a newbie, I wrestle with how my blossoming relationship with the Goddes fits with my past relationship with religion--I keep swinging from one to the other for comfort. My thought right now is one of being unable to breathe among all of these Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not a hateful thought, but one of question: Where are WE? I watched part of the ritual at the National Cathedral, and it was extremely beautiful. I was bothered by the fact that, with all of the other religious faces speaking there, none were Pagan. I have seen nothing anywhere showing pagans getting together out in the open like the rest of society. I felt left out with my coworkers talking about going to church, mosque, and synogogue, gathering together with those who share their faith for mourning and comfort. I was going home. Alone. Where are all of you?
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