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Posted: Sep. 8, 2002
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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| My Predominant Feeling Tonight (9/15) Is That It's Really Good To... ||Sep 15th. at 7:15:50 pm UTC|
|Cat (Asheville, North Carolina US) ||Age: 34 |
My predominant feeling tonight (9/15) is that it's really good to hear pagans talking. All week I kept checking in at the Voice, even though I knew it would take days to get any response up on the web. At work I've felt isolated. Every time I turn around it's "God bless" something (usually America), and I'm torn between knowing that it doesn't really matter what the divine is called, and knowing that a lot of people mean something very different from "my" god.
Also, I'm feeling politically alienated. Relatively few people agree with me that while this is horrible, it's not exactly illogical, nor exactly unprovoked by U.S. policy. In pursuit of economic profit, the U.S. supports governments not backed by the people; it enforces trade agreements which foster and widen inequities between the rich and poor; it backs governments which use terrorism against their own people. When it's someone else's proble--I mean, they get this stuff in Palestine all the time--we don't especially care, but when it's U.S. soil, we act like we'd never heard of such horror. Maybe we haven't; but all that means is that we haven't paid attention. I'm not having much luck convincing my students or my colleagues that this could be a wakeup call from which we could learn a lot.
Then there's all the rhetoric of violence, vengeance, punishment. But here too looking at causes might tell us something. The expressed goal of Osama Bin Laden, if indeed he's the culprit (heck, if he even exists--he's almost too convenient a scapegoat), is to get the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, which we've occupied since the Gulf War a decade ago; he also feels the U.S. backed government is a puppet tyranny. While I don't know enough about Saudi Arabia to critique its government, I know a good deal about what the U.S. looks for in the governments it backs, which is mostly economic benefit. And can't you just imagine how the U.S. would feel if we'd had another war in Mexico a decade ago, the USSR had come in to "help", and then it had told us that it would keep troops in the U.S. indefinitely to help "defend" us? We'd go to war over it in a heartbeat. That's what Bin Laden has done, and everybody says he's crazy. He might well be, of course; but if we're going to talk about insane world leaders, we'd better be prepared for that rhetoric not to stop with our enemies.
Well, rant over. To "end where I begun", it's good to hear pagans talking, and even better to find out what I already suspected: that compared to most Christians of my acquaintance, the pagans are showing more temperance and more hope for a non-war solution. Glad to hear youall's "voices"; everybody, blessed be, and hang in. If our prayers are really as magical as we hope they are, maybe we'll see some results.
| There Are So Many Thouhts Going Through My Head Right Now About... ||Sep 15th. at 7:39:09 pm UTC|
|Angel (Coventry, Rhode Island US) ||Age: 22 |
There are so many thouhts going through my head right now about the terrible events on tuesday. Being a newbie, I wrestle with how my blossoming relationship with the Goddes fits with my past relationship with religion--I keep swinging from one to the other for comfort. My thought right now is one of being unable to breathe among all of these Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not a hateful thought, but one of question: Where are WE? I watched part of the ritual at the National Cathedral, and it was extremely beautiful. I was bothered by the fact that, with all of the other religious faces speaking there, none were Pagan. I have seen nothing anywhere showing pagans getting together out in the open like the rest of society. I felt left out with my coworkers talking about going to church, mosque, and synogogue, gathering together with those who share their faith for mourning and comfort. I was going home. Alone. Where are all of you?
| As I Read The Thoughts In This Forum, I Notice That There... ||Sep 15th. at 7:58:27 pm UTC|
|Heather H (Port Orchard, Washington US) ||Age: 30 |
As I read the thoughts in this forum, I notice that there seems to be alot of good hearted eople doing rituals at all times. This makes me think of the story that most historians and scholars continually deny: that during WWII the English witches did a country wide working to protect their country and confuse their enemies. Perhaps it is time for the modern Pagans and Wiccans to take a page from this story and make it true. Since we have a holiday (Mabon/Autumn Equinox) coming up anyway, why don't we use the energy that will be created to ask for help in healing this country, protection for the US, its allies and those helping with the clean up effort, confusion to the terrorists who did this and clairity in thought for our leaders. And those who take up this idea and are out of the broom closet, call up your local TV stations and newspapers and ask to have the ritual publicized, just as they have been for the churches, mosques, synogues and temples.
Having said that, my feelings on this have been rather against the norm. First, I have wondered if this attack isn't Karma's way of getting back at this country for ignoring the plight of the women, children and men of Afganistan. Also, I've thought about how now we know how most of the rest of this world feels. Terrorism goes on all over, everyday, it's just that Tuesday it happened in our country. And I don't agree with the declarations of war that are being thrown about. Yes, we can bomb the hell out of Afganistan, but bin laden won't be there. He would probably hole up in a country that supports the US and they'll have no idea he's even there. Unless we have someone on the inside, we will never get rid of him or his followers. War is pretty stupid at any time, but in this case, it is monumentally stupid.
And may I suggest a little reading material for those who are interested. Go to your library or bookstore and pick up a copy of Terry Pratchett's "Jingo" or "Interesting Times". Both books give a refreshing prespective on war and what it's really about.
BB and may cooler heads prevail.
| Hi Im Am 13 Years Old. I Had A Friend Whose Mom... ||Sep 15th. at 9:57:01 pm UTC|
|alex (san fransisco) ||Age: 13 - Email |
hi im am 13 years old. i had a friend whose mom was on the plane
when that plane hit the 2 blindings.i was told that you were doing a nation
wide circle if you can e-mail about the info i no your busy it is
your friend ,
| Don't Think I Can Even Begin To Express Adequately My Sympathies To... ||Sep 15th. at 10:26:06 pm UTC|
|Handel Callender (Bridgetown) ||Age: 25 - Email |
don't think I can even begin to express adequately my sympathies to those of you who have lost friends and families in this wicked act. But even tho I am thousands of miles away, I share in your sadness. It was a horrific, cowardly act.
The healing may take a while, but America, and the World MUST heal. Because it is the only way to move on.
Something is happening here. On this Planet.
When I look at Planet Earth, at Gaia, I try to see humans as not just living on Her. We ARE Her. We are an extention of Her body. We are her Consciousness.
And when I see the destuction of Planet, I don't see it as anything separate from the desruction of ourselves. The tragedies of Africa, and Kosova, and Chechnya, and now of America; of the destuction of the forests and the air and the animals and the water, it is all on and the same.
The entire essence and being of Gaia, the human and non human, is suffering.
We witches I believe understand the with painful clarity. But I don;'t think we have been doing what we need to do.
This last event shows me something. It shows me that a healing is coming. Because from destruction, healing is ineveitable.
Witches ! Stand up !!!
We must begin to come from our circles and covens and take upon ourselves the responibility of ACTIVE healing.
Though this healing takes shape in many forms, I believe that one important area of healing has to be educating about compassion, caring and connectedness.
We are going to HAVE to get this message out there if healing is to begin!
We don't have to go around stating that we're witches, and spouting our religious beliefs, but we have to help start getting love and compassion back into the hearts of people. We have to start to share the Wisdom of our ancestors, of our brothers and sisters of the animal, tree and mineral worlds that we and ALL of humanity are an EXTENDED PIECE of this thing called Earth, and we ARE connected. And what we do to Earth, we do to us, and what we do to us, we do to Earth.
Reintegrate ourselves back with the EARTH. We gotta listen to Her harmony and Her wisdom. Only when we are harmonised with Her, do we follow the will of that deeper essence that is Her and Us and all things working together.
And share the lesson.
| The Following Is A Poem That We Have Written To Mark The... ||Sep 15th. at 10:41:10 pm UTC|
|Witch Family Network (Portland, Oregon US) ||Age: 0 - Email |
The following is a poem that we have written to mark the impact of the disaster, which has helped some people open up.
The Last Flight:
She wakes at dawns first light
it had been such a great night
Her daughter had not made a peep...
so for once she got some good sleep
Breakfast for two, she tied her daughter's shoe...
In the car they road, and she took quite a load...
Up the tower they went to her desk, it was quite a mess...
Today was the day...to show her kid at play
the co-workers laughed and smiled...she was
quite the child.
What was that sound? They looked all around
But there was nothing there...it was just air...
Earthquake they shouted, but she really doubted...
baby in her arm, she heard the alarm...and under the desk they flew...the last thing she heard...was her baby say "bird"...
and with that nothing more was heard.
Baby was flying...and everyone dying...the look on her face was confused...
when she looked where she was going...all she saw was the glowing...and the voice that whispered from the light told her to be not afraid...you've come home on this day...and you'll always remember this...your last flight.
Brightest of Blessings and our thoughts are with everyone.
Witch Family Network
| I Am Stunned At The Events That Occurred On Tuesday, But I... ||Sep 15th. at 10:41:29 pm UTC|
|Rain BrownWolf (Sacramento, California US) ||Age: 53 - Email |
I am stunned at the events that occurred on Tuesday, but I am not really susurprised. I am feeling even more spiritually marooned than ever before. I can't share my beliefs with anyone that I live around, and I am concerned about how the bombings are going to affect the financial world. I hate to be so sef-centered, but I am disabled and have just begun healing.
Not long ago I saw a program on 60 Minutes or one of those programs. They were showing how easey it would be for terrorists to get bombs or weopons on airplanes. I was disgusted and said to the screen, "Show criminals how to do this." There was absolutely nothing gained for the good by showing this program and may have aided the terrorist with their plan. I am, of course, disgusted with the way the media constantly exploits the pain and suffering of people under the guise of the people's right to know. I know of many things that people have a right to know, but are not given the facts by the media.
I will so any spells that I can to help, since that is all I can do right now. Thank you to witchvox for being here.
| Dear Friends,i Am Sure That We All Know About The Tragedy... ||Sep 15th. at 11:11:26 pm UTC|
|Wyldkat (Felton, California US) ||Age: 25 - Email |
I am sure that we all know about the tragedy of the terrorist attack on Tuesday. I am a council member at a faith based website and we would like to try to have a national day of prayer and mourning. This will be an event that will surpass any and all religious and racial barriers. The hope is that we will all pull together despite our differences and raise as much positive energy, support, hope and love as possible. On Tuesday the 17th one week from the day of the attack please just take a couple of minutes out of your day. Light a candle and place it in your window and pray in whatever manner you feel is appropriate, be it going to church, meditating or just thinking about those who lost thier lives and thier survivors and those who will be involved in the aftermath. If possible also keep in mind the fact that we will pull together and we will recover from this atrocity. Pray for peace and recovery. Please let anyone who might care know about this.
| I've Been So Encouraged By The Actions Of Ya'll. If You Don't... ||Sep 15th. at 11:26:16 pm UTC|
|boog (Donaldsonville, Louisiana US) ||Age: 30 |
I've been so encouraged by the actions of ya'll. If you don't mind showing an "I" posting, please do.
I feel everyone reaching out to each other. I search for my abilities to help others with the gifts I was given. I have the power of my own life. I have trust in the powers around me. I have faith in my fellow man and trust the spirit that weaves us together.
I feel regret that I have not appreciated that which I took for granted. I look forward to bright and rainy days with those I love and the same for everyone else.
Peace will come; I don't doubt the love in our world.
I pray for our leaders. I think they have been careful of making judgements and have been grateful for the actions of so many supporters. I pray for the medical workers across the country and around the world. I pray for the firefighters, law authorities, military, and citizens.
I am proud to be a part of this world. I don't consider myself a solitary anymore. My private conversations with higher beings will hereafter have more meaning - for the good of all.
| I Am Not A Wiccan Member However I Have Always Found This... ||Sep 15th. at 11:41:35 pm UTC|
|Maryann (Warwick, Rhode Island US) ||Age: 37 - Email |
I am not a Wiccan member however I have always found this religion both interesting and admirable. In this time of grief and fear of what has happened in our country as well as what is to come, my thoughts turn to the Wiccan community. Not being a strongly religious person, I find it hard to cope with the feelings of helplessness that so many of us share, these last few days. Therefore I once again am drawn to trying to see hope in the positive energy that the Wiccan community can put forth. I don't pretend to know everything about your religion, since I've only read very little about it, but I do know that we need the positive forces and the protection that I know all of you will give. And for that I say thank you and Blessed Be.
| Falloakit Saddens Me Deeply To See Our Fine & Strong County Being... ||Sep 16th. at 12:23:51 am UTC|
|FallOak (Elizabeth, New Jersey US) ||Age: 52 - Email |
It saddens me deeply to see our fine & strong county being despressed and devidedy such people that clearly do not have amy conception of what live in a country that allows you to make your own choices and plans for the future. I once felt this way about other relegions untill I found the Lady and the Lord. Since then my outlook on matters has changed drastictly. I feel very very saddened by the countries that push only one relegion upon there peopel and brain wash them into believing that this the one and only way. It is very hard to persequte a complete religion when there are so many others that may not or do not accept there methods, Unfortunatly there choices are limited and they are quaght up in the mess that was created. I my shelf have served in a war, I my slef know the power from the heaveans when it is called upon. If it were not true I would not be here today writing this letter expressing my thoughts. I believe there is a time that we should have to be diplamatic in our undertaking and get all of our facts togher before we make a move that can and will have an implact on our land for may years to come. We need to make sure that we are not condemming our children and our grandchildren to a life of misery and discontent. A war shuch as the one we may be undertaking is one that may or will go on for more yeass that I would like to think of. We all need to remember that with each step we take back wards it will take many steps forward to clean it up.
Retallation for what has been done to our brothers & sisters must be done, The teaching of may of us before becoming Wiccians was "An Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth'. It has taken me close to 53 years to come to the conclusion that this may not be the true approach to the problem. Some times we need to come up with another approach of showing just how mis leading the religis sect can be to people and show them how much love and understanding they are missing by following people like this. Going to another county and using military force will gain only one thinfg for sure, More deaths, more loss of family members and friends and this is on both sides. So, do we fight untill there is no one left standing and at that time make the decision that the winner must be the way we want to live even if the winner is wrong..... I say not, we must keep togher and use the forces that we have the strongest. The power of our love and the power instilled within us by the Lord and the Lady. Using these powers as aids to fight off our enemies. We do not want to see any more family and freiends die to make someoe else to be shown as the most powerful when we all know that being toghere and staying together is the most powerful force that no one can overcome. The power of our families is more powerful that any one enemy
Because of this brothers & Sisters we must banned togher all of our love and power and focus it in the direction that is will bo the best good. If fighting is our only way to remiedy this situation, than this we must do, but we must do it in a manner that will truly support all of us.
| On September 11, 2001 The World Was Stunned With The Horrific Terrorist... ||Sep 16th. at 12:49:31 am UTC|
|Rawa (Afghanistan) ||Age: 35 |
On September 11, 2001 the world was stunned with the horrific terrorist attacks on the United States. RAWA stands with the rest of the world in expressing our sorrow and condemnation for this barbaric act of violence and terror. RAWA had already warned that the United States should not support the most treacherous, most criminal, most anti-democracy and anti-women Islamic fundamentalist parties because after both the Jehadi and the Taliban have committed every possible type of heinous crimes against our people, they would feel no shame in committing such crimes against the American people whom they consider "infidel". In order to gain and maintain their power, these barbaric criminals are ready to turn easily to any criminal force.
But unfortunately we must say that it was the government of the United States who supported Pakistani dictator Gen. Zia-ul Haq in creating thousands of religious schools from which the germs of Taliban emerged. In the similar way, as is clear to all, Osama Bin Laden has been the blue-eyed boy of CIA. But what is more painful is that American politicians have not drawn a lesson from their pro-fundamentalist policies in our country and are still supporting this or that fundamentalist band or leader. In our opinion any kind of support to the fundamentalist Taliban and Jehadies is actually trampling democratic, women's rights and human rights values.
If it is established that the suspects of the terrorist attacks are outside the US, our constant claim that fundamentalist terrorists would devour their creators, is proved once more.
The US government should consider the root cause of this terrible event, which has not been the first and will not be the last one too. The US should stop supporting Afghan terrorists and their supporters once and for all.
Now that the Taliban and Osama are the prime suspects by the US officials after the criminal attacks, will the US subject Afghanistan to a military attack similar to the one in 1998 and kill thousands of innocent Afghans for the crimes committed by the Taliban and Osama? Does the US think that through such attacks, with thousands of deprived, poor and innocent people of Afghanistan as its victims, will be able to wipe out the root-cause of terrorism, or will it spread terrorism even to a larger scale?
From our point of view a vast and indiscriminate military attacks on a country that has been facing permanent disasters for more than two decades will not be a matter of pride. We don't think such an attack would be the expression of the will of the American people.
The US government and people should know that there is a vast difference between the poor and devastated people of Afghanistan and the terrorist Jehadi and Taliban criminals.
While we once again announce our solidarity and deep sorrow with the people of the US, we also believe that attacking Afghanistan and killing its most ruined and destitute people will not in any way decrease the grief of the American people. We sincerely hope that the great American people could DIFFERENTIATE between the people of Afghanistan and a handful of fundamentalist terrorists. Our hearts go out to the people of the US.
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