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Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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Which Political Platform Or Candidate Are You Leaning Towards? Conservative >do You... Aug 8th. at 5:25:29 pm UTC

John Kramer (Kansas City, Kansas US) Age: 43 - Email


>Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards?
Conservative

>Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans?
As a citizen of this country, political involvement is important regardless of religious affiliation.

>Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

Yes; Yes; consevatives who do not openly bash pagans


I Am A Registered Voter, A Democrat, And I Will Likely Vote... Aug 8th. at 5:33:04 pm UTC

Sabina Magliocco (Los Angeles, California US) Age: 40 - Email


I am a registered voter, a Democrat, and I will likely vote for the Gore/Leiberman team in the coming election, although I will hold my nose while doing it. In my heart, I would rather vote for Ralph Nader, whose politics are much closer to mine; but I fear a vote for him would be a gift to Bush and the Republicans as it would take much-needed votes away from the Democrats.

I have been vitally intersted in politics all my life. In my youth, I was a committed animal rights and environmental activist. I have also worked for various candidates' campaigns. I believe political involvement is vital to Pagan interests for a number of reasons. It is only through full participation in the political process that we can make our vision of the world come closer to reality: a vision of environmental harmony, gender equality and human rights.


I Am Going To Vote For Ralph Nader Since He Is The... Aug 8th. at 5:53:46 pm UTC

Dorine (Eureka, California US) Age: 23 - Email


I am going to vote for Ralph Nader Since he is the only one that I can be sure doesn't have any vested interests. Besides I think that we need to shake up the system more than we have. The most pointed way of doing that is to make a third party cantidate that really does have a plan and isn't just parroting the large corporations that fund him. We need to make him get a large enough percentage of the votes that the others will be forced to wake up and listen to us. Listen that we are not pleased with the way that things are going and that we will change them!

I am registered Green Party and I am so happy that this time it looks like Nader just might get somewhere (realistically, not the white house but he will get noticed)


I Think That It Would Be A Rare Thing For A Truly... Aug 8th. at 5:56:34 pm UTC

Lira (Lunenburg, Massachusetts US) Age: 30 - Email


I think that it would be a rare thing for a truly religious president to ever take office in this day and date. The Republicans will slobber all over themselves trying to please the religious right (but really, do they need to? The religious right is never going to vote for a democrat). The democrats pay lip service to other religions than Christianity, (note the choice of VP), however the idea that they would, in this decade, even acknowlege support for "alternative" religions in any but the most general terms, is likely out of the question. Pagans and Wiccans should not expect at this time to be represented properly by the government. We are still too scary. What would be more productive is voting for a president who is supportive of equal rights, anti descrimination, and is not too desperately right wing. Vote for someone who, without realizing it, abides by our tennants - protecting the environment, cautious about going and bombing other countries, looks to feed those who can't feed themselves and lights a fire under those who should be feeding themselves and aren't. As our numbers grow (and statistics indicate that they are), we will continue to fight and win the battle that women, minorities, homosexuals, and all other non-christian-straight-white-males have fought. Blessed be.


I Am Strongly Leaning Towards Voting For Gore, And Especially Now That... Aug 8th. at 6:00:20 pm UTC

Lady Bridget (Tamarac, Florida US) Age: 40 - Email


I am strongly leaning towards voting for Gore, and especially now that he and Bush have announced their running mates. Bush has literally said that he is anti abortion under any circumstances, and will actively try to get the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade. I see this as an attack on women's rights to decide their own body issues. I have been told (though I did not hear this personally) that Bush also said that he doesn't believe that Wicca is a "real" religion. Also, the so called "improvements" that he made in the areas of child welfare and education in Texas look good in the commercials, until you realize that Texas was either 49th or 50th in the nation as far as child health programs and education is concerned! It's easy to get the award for most improved when you were the worst to start with!

I think that polictical involvement is paramount! I am registered to vote, and have been since I was 18 yrs old, and have always voted in every election I was able to vote in. I want to know, if you don't exercise your right to vote, what other rights are you willing to give up?

This year we have the first Jewish vice presidential candidate, and all the Jewish people are celebrating (as well they should!). What year will it be when we see a Pagan or Wiccan candidate? I believe that the seeds we sow now, are what we will harvest in generations to come.

blessings of the Goddess to all,
Bridget


I'm 20, And This Is The First Time I Get To Vote... Aug 8th. at 6:43:23 pm UTC

Amanda (Providence, Rhode Island US) Age: 20 - Email


I'm 20, and this is the first time i get to vote for president. I really don't know who to vote for. I went to a bunch of different homepages for parties to see what they're like. I went to the Bush page, and looked at what he said he did, and what he said he's going to do, and all the places i could click so i could donate money to a worthy cause. And then I went to go see Gore's page, and it was pretty much the same thing. I looked at the libertarians, the greens, the socialists, and a few others. They didn't have any pleas for money on thier pages, and that's an immediate plus. I'm in college and i have no money to spend on that sort of thing.

I like the libertarians. I don't think they'll ever win, but I like them. I think I'm going to vote for gore because bush scares me. People keep saying that he won't matter because the courts will overturn his plans, but I keep wondering if they'll do that forever, especially when he starts appointing the judges. It scares me so much to think that the Supreme Court could be all pro-life, approve prayer in schools, and i don't know what else. When you start taking the little freedoms away, then what's next? I don't particularly like the Democrats. They, like the republicans, have been around too long uncontested and have gotten fat and comfortable where they are. Maybe i will vote third party then just to shake things up, but i doubt it. It's just all so confusing. Democrats act like Republicans and Republicans act like Democrats for 6 months at a time just to get votes. I wonder who would vote for who if both parties stayed true to what they were supposed to be no matter what? Ah, idle questions.

yes, i am registered, and will even go the extra step to request the absentee ballot. yes, i will vote, just to say i did. Who will i vote for? I don't think i'll know for sure until i step into the booth and actually do it.


The Supreme Court Is Getting Older.....and Older.....the Next President Will... Aug 8th. at 7:09:52 pm UTC

Sharon Reddy (Phoenix, Arizona US) Age: 52 - Email


The Supreme Court is getting older.....and older.....the next president will have the choice of new positions. It is EXTREMELY important that an open view to diverse thinking is upheld. I'm sure that a Republican president, as well as a Republican congress will not support those views, nomatter what was said at their convention.

I feel this is the single most important element in this election by FAR. Not only women's rights, but the rights of everyone will be threatened by a Republican president.

Not to mention the fact that Geo W. is an intellectual vacuum. He seems not to have any inner-dialogue at all. (Speaks from the "no lips" so to speak).

I support Al Gore for President. I may have supported Ralph Nader if so much wasn't at stake here. Now, I am disturbed at RN for taking votes away from Al Gore...Cutting your nose off to spite your face never solves the problem.


I Usually End Up Voting Against Someone Rather Than For Someone And... Aug 8th. at 8:04:27 pm UTC

Jeannine (Goshen, New York US) Age: 41


I usually end up voting against someone rather than for someone and this election is no exception. The republicans generally strike me as being rather frightening, and this year GW Bush is especially so. I will be voting for Gore/Lieberman. I often consider one of the third party candidates (such as Nader) to be more worthy of the office, but unfortunately, they don't win and I really don't want to see Bush elected.


I'm Going To Vote For Bush. He's Not My Favorite Candidate, But... Aug 8th. at 8:19:09 pm UTC

Randy Morobitto (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania US) Age: 33 - Email


I'm going to vote for Bush. He's not my favorite candidate, but there are other considerations. You can pass all the regulations you want regarding pollution, morality, or whatever subject you wish, but the only thing what will change people's behavior is their own desire to. I realize "W" comes from a strong Christian background, and I realize that many non-Christians consider themselves persecuted by Christians, but there's that pesky little thing called the Constitution. Yes, laws can be passed, as they always have and always will, by the "mainstream." Is it not up to us to challenge these laws? If we claim to be responsible for our own behavior, without any of that "the Devil made me do it" garbage, then why are we afraid of some elected politician? I come from a primarily Libertarian point of view, so I have disagreements with both sides. The Bill of Rights, which we unfortunately have to remind our government of, is the guide for social issues, regardless of party affiliation. I vote Republican at the Federal level, only because I know they are less likely to raise my taxes, and yes, it DOES quite often come down to money. It's the money *I* work for that puts food on the table and keeps the furnace
running in those cold Pittsburgh winters. As for social issues such as Welfare, *I* can do something for someone without having a bureaucrat redistribute my earnings, with 50+% being sucked up by "administration." Yes, I do believe in smaller government, with fraud cut out as much as possible (for a gov't to do, anyway), and the Republican party is the closer of the two to that goal, as I see it. This is particularly true if you've read the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and understand how little the Federal Government is really permitted to do.

Just a TOTALLY wild concept: Look at which side is more likely to leave you alone overall; it's probably going to be the Republican party. Make your donations and write your letters. Since everyone reading this has at least access to a computer, make sure you put one of the many Pagan symbols available by your name, whether a Pentagram, an Ankh, or whatever. Yes, they'll notice. Let them know that we don't want special rights -- special rights is discrimination against others -- we want to be given the same value for our beliefs as the "major" religions receive. When Congress-members such as Bob Barr make negative comments about those beliefs not-in-their-understanding, write them and tell them they are mistaken, and why. Do NOT use the four-letter words, because they'll never make it to the desk. Compose YOURSELF before you compose the letter.

If social issues are your big concern, then YOU donate to a cause, whether it be a charity or organization; if you can, volunteer ON YOUR OWN. Encourage people to work together. Forget about what spiritual path others are on; work together as PEOPLE; perhaps even learn about the beliefs of others. Eventually, the "Religious Right" will be frozen out; not by some great battle of protests, but by everyone ELSE acting in concert for the greater good of all, and those who hate in the name of God will be shown what true love and concern for others is really about -- not the name by which you refer to the Creator of All Things, but by how you emulate those who've walked the walk.

It's less who you vote for, and MUCH more what you DO.

'nuff said.


I'm 18, And Registering To Vote Very Soon So I Can In... Aug 8th. at 8:52:36 pm UTC

BayingOak (Palmerton, Pennsylvania US) Age: 18


I'm 18, and registering to vote very soon so I can in this comming election for president. I know alot of folks do not vote, which I think is a pity. Even if the decision is made by the electoral college, you should have your proper say as a citizen. Just like sitting in the stands and cheering at your favorite baseball team's game doesn't effect the outcome of the game...You support them anyway, because your a FAN. So be your canidates fan too.

I digress... I'm leaning torwards Bush, because I think a Conservative president with guts is more important then a liberal one. However, I am very upset about Bush's comments torward Wicca. I think, perhaps a president that has to learn the hard way about witchcraft (ACLU or Congress talling him Wicca IS A RELIGION and keeping it on military bases would be a wonderful publicity event and help get Paganism across the entire country. Yes, Gore won't touch religion or military issues...but is that what we want? Maybe if Bush makes a stir about Witchcraft America will have to learn what it's about for once. Clinton didn't touch it either and things just stay the same. Well I'm getting off my soapbox now. BB


As A Newspaper Reporter By Trade, I See On A Daily Basis... Aug 8th. at 9:30:29 pm UTC

Morrigan-Aa (Woodbridge, New Jersey US) Age: 25 - Email


As a newspaper reporter by trade, I see on a daily basis the importance of politics. Like it or not, this nation is a republic which accords its citizens the right to vote. In order to have a voice in what goes on nationally, it is important for everyone - including Pagans of all stripes - to go to their local ballot box.

Why? Because in some states (thankfully not mine), school boards are being stacked by the religious right, as well as others who oppose the teaching of evolution and sex education and support the blatant promotion of Christianity in the classroom. The reason they are able to do this is because virtually no one - except their constituents - votes in school board elections. The turnout in some communities is 15 percent or below - and this for the governing body that sets policy for our schools, and comprises the lion's share of local property taxes. Municipal elections - which in some cases can influence whether a town surges toward development or seeks to keep some land as open space - draw little more. This is disturbing in my opinion because political power starts locally, where it has the greatest effects on citizens' lives.

Needless to say, I'm registered to vote and I don't think I've missed an election. While I opted for Nader in the last presidential election, this year I might vote for Gore, since he does have a good record on the environment. And he's not George W., whose dedication to the rightwing movement I fear as both a woman and a freethinker.


Is There A Good Candidate? Neither Candidate Really Makes Me Feel Comfortable... Aug 8th. at 9:47:18 pm UTC

The Guide (Denver, Colorado US) Age: 30


Is there a good candidate? Neither candidate really makes me feel comfortable.

Mr. Bush has made statements in the past that he did not support Wicca as a faith, and he gives at least small attention to conservative religious groups. Before anyone asks, yes I did read Mr. Bush's speech from the recent convention, and I noticed many references to a conservative Christian veiw point. Is that bad, not necessarily, unless he tries to legislate that conservative viewpoint to the rest of us.

Also, what cannot be forgotten is the president elected this year may have a far reaching arm in the Supreme Court. There is a strong possibilty the next president will nominate at least two and possibly three Justices to the high court during his time in office. Clarance Tomas and Anton Scallia have already demonstrated a very conservative viewpoint on may topics including religion.

However, Mr. Gore, is not much better a choice. I'm not sure he is strong enough to lead the nation, but I will withhold final judgement until I know more about his views.

Yes, I am a registered voter and I plan to vote this November. And Pagans should be involved in the polictical process as much as anyone of any other faith. If you wnat your voice heard and your ideas considered, you have to be involved.

In the end, I will probaby vote for Mr. Bush, because I do sgree with some of his economic and foreign policy ideas. I will have to hope that clearer heads will prevail if either candidate trys to legislate religion.


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