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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

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Aloo All,i Suppose I Should Say "merry Met", But I Don't... Sep 16th. at 10:40:42 pm UTC

Figgymint (jacksonville) Age: 26 - Email


Aloo All,

I suppose I should say "Merry Met", but I don't feel merry at all. The totality did not hit me until yesterday. I have few friends, as though I have a 'don't get near' shield upon myself at all times.

Yesterday I was shopping for gifts for my youngest's 3rd birthday. I saw the people, so many people. I looked at them all as if for the first time. I cannot bear to lose a one. It hurts to think about it.

I have seen and heard many "peace" "war will bring only more death", do you not realise there will be more death without a war? "bombings will only kill innocent people"; Many of those 'innocent' people believe we are ALL evil. just because we are American. Their religion offers them a gaurantee to their 'heaven' if they work to destroy us. All of us. You, me, my 3 year old son, my 6 year old son. Regardless of America's, and other countries, retaliation, there will be more death.

Yes. Pray for peace...we need it. but for acceptance of this? Not I. never. If we were to simply route out the few people behind this...we will have to go for bin ladin; his name is the focus of too much anger to not, they will strike harder next time. He is their hero, the hijackers and all involved have done a great deed to further their cause. If we do such a small effort to right this wrong, they will rise up and destroy us. our children, friends and family. WE are evil. simply for living, for drawing breath. I do not think they are confused; they are more focus than so very many others in any path.

I had hoped I would not see it, that none of mine would, but war is here. Whether it is reciprocated by the US, a war is here. I love all of you, I cannot stand the thought of losing any one of you. If there was indeed a way to have not a bit of this have happened, I would do anything.

I do not believe that by focus, prayer and energy can we calm the hearts of those who despise us, I wish I could. Their hatred is so very strong.

Perhaps this is even beyond us? gods/godesses have had battles in the past. Their people have paid in blood. It has been a long while...perhaps...now is the time...

Blessed Be,
Walk in love,
Figgymint


Another Dawn, Will I Cry Today? I Cry When I See Families... Sep 16th. at 10:50:48 pm UTC

Linda Frisina (Denver, Colorado US) Age: 52 - Email


Another dawn, will I cry today?
I cry when I see families ripped at the seams?
I cry when I see the exhausted volunteers walk out of the rubble that was once the World Trade Center.
I cry when I see children's pictures of the devastation.
I cry at the pictures, the home videos, the absolute horror of it all.
I cry when I see people waving American flags along the street.
I cry when I see red, white and blue ribbons on peoples shirts.
It's a horror that I will cry about for years.
But I am an American....we WILL survive this monsterous attack.....and we will smile again.


An Eye For An Eye Will Make The Whole World Blind." -m... Sep 16th. at 11:04:25 pm UTC

Tiffany D. Moon (La Mesa, California US) Age: 30 - Email


"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."

-M. Ghandi

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought,
but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-A. Einstein


When It Happened, I Was Just Settling Down In Front Of My... Sep 16th. at 11:08:34 pm UTC

Sylvanmoon (Montreal, Quebec CA) Age: 45 - Email


When it happened, I was just settling down in front of my desk, booting up my computer and thinking about the day's work. About an hour later, my husband called me from his office and told me that a plane had crashed into the WTC. At that point I thought it was a catastrophic airline accident and thoughts of terrorism hadn't entered my mind yet. It wasn't until the afternoon that I began to learn the rest of the story, and I didn't see the images on CNN & Newsworld (the Canadian all-news network)until I returned home that evening.

My mom had just been to New York City a couple of months ago, on a tour group with other seniors. She saw the WTC buildings and was amazed at their immensity, blown away by the fact that, as she learned from her tour guide, that close to 50, 000 people worked in those buildings every day, and that each building had its own Zip code. When she heard the news, all she could say was "I was just there!"

Someone has asked in these postings that if Osama bin Laden and/or Saddam Hussein had been effectively dealt with previously, would any of this have happened? This person commented that hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sorry but I don't think so. Terrorism is a hydra-headed monster (that grows two new heads for each one it loses, as near as I can recollect from Greek mythology.) Taking out Bin Laden or Hussein, or both, would not necessarily have prevented this disaster or one of similar scope from happening. There are too many ramifications.

I know our world has changed, but it alarms me when I hear that people would be willing to give up some of their civil rights for tighter security. Let's not go too far in the other direction and stumble blindly into a police state. Let us also address our personal attitudes towards, say, the sight of a Muslim woman in a veil waiting at a bus stop (I have to admit irritation at the sight myself, as I understand the veil is not really required by the Muslim religion.) We have to be vigilant, yes, but awareness and respect of other cultures and conditions abroad would go a long way towards counteracting terrorism, and that is something all our governments will also have to realize.

I am an eclectic Wiccan, have been since approximately 1982, when I picked up my first copy of Starhawk's The Spiral Dance. I was born in 1956, under a new moon, and it seems that Hekate is my birth goddess. Whenever I look at lists carved into memorials for people who have died in a war or some disastrous event, I can't help but think of who they might have been or of their loved ones who miss them still. When I saw the list of the names of those who died at the WTC or the Pentagon, I think of them as ordinary people like me who never got to return home to their suppers that night.

I will be attending a ritual here in Montreal tomorrow night to send healing and peace to those affected.

Blessed be!


Bright Blessings To All.to All Pagans Who Still Oppose The War... Sep 16th. at 11:23:28 pm UTC

Amaranth (Cape Canaveral, Florida US) Age: 34 - Email


Bright Blessings to all.

To all Pagans who still oppose the War Against Terrorism:

You're absolutely right. This is not what the Lord and Lady want for Gaea and her creatures. It's a travesty of immense proportions. To wreak vengeance upon the perpetrators of this base crime is to perpetuate the cycle of violence and to bring upon ourselves ineffable karmic repercussions. Every Wiccan is by his or her very nature a pacifist, to one degree or another.

U N L E S S

Unless we already tried turning the other cheek. Unless we already tried targeted military strikes, diplomacy, economic sanctions. . .precisely what other measures are we to take to protect our neighbors and ourselves? The Wiccan Rede and Threefold Law state that we should do as we will, 'an it harm none, or suffer the consequences. Think on this carefully, my friends -- it states " 'An it harm NONE, " not " 'An it harm another" or " 'An it harm your friends", or " 'An it harm your god or country." That is, it includes OURSELVES. A wise man of my acquaintance has suggested a revision of the Rede to direct us to do the least harm possible, for by our very existence, we inadvertently harm others of Gaea's children - our bodies routinely kill viruses, we step on bugs (some of us do), and we ALL kill either animals or plants to eat to live. It's built in to the cycle of our existence. Whether or not you subscribe to this particular view, our actions concerning the destruction of our symbols of national pride and the staggering mass of humanity within them are clearly not bound by pacifism. If we do nothing, or impose sanctions, or pass resolutions of condemnation without action, or direct targeted strikes at Afghanistan, make no mistake: this WILL continue and intensify. Doesn't allowing that to happen "harm" someone? The rest of the world has already suffered the slings and arrows of the outrage of terrorism. This is just the first time it reached the shores of our Great Land. Do we EVER want any member of any community anywhere to fell again what we have felt in the last four days? Do we ever want to feel it again ourselves? What will be next? Think about the things and people we love; make an inventory, and ask yourself if their value warrants our protection.

U N L E S S
Unless we purge ourselves of the desire for revenge, and instead hold high before us the beacon of our values. I have yet to meet an American who has not on one level or another desired retribution. From daydreams about becoming covert operatives to open declarations about bin Laden's personal health, we feel it. It doesn't make us evil, it makes us human. Now, acting on those desires would make us evil, or at least begin to. However, reacting in a measured, efficient, thorough manner in our own good time and on our own terms; reacting with war because no other chance we have given the enemy stopped the violence; reaction is not vengeance, it is required. Our job between now and then is to take our rage and our grief and to distill them into white-hot resolve, to temper them into unwavering courage, and to focus and refine the ideals which we defend. We are individually responsible in the coming days for defining America and deciding what it means to us -- what we're willing to be, to do, and to give for it. Our world community not only has shown support for our reaction to terrorism, but has placed upon our shoulders the mantle of leadership as they follow and precede us into hell. It is more than confidence in our abilities and sympathy for our pain they have shown. Just as in the World Trade Center, their lives will be shed with ours, and every ally's proximity to Afghanistan makes their support that much riskier and that much more precious and humbling to me. It is a terrible responsibility our nation has undertaken; we are leading the world to its own deliverance, and it is in that spirit, with full belief in freedom, complete dedication to the cause of freedom, and overflowing gratitude to those who stand with us, that we must take on this action. We will fight FOR the right, and not AGAINST our wrongs. In that way, we can defuse the negative karma of vengeance and act in accordance with the true spirit of our Rede, and the spirit of all the positive world religions, including Islam and Christianity.

PAGAN AMERICANS, STILL NOT CONVINCED?
You sure are lucky to live in America. In many other countries, when you express opinions contrary to those of the government, you're promptly arrested for sedition. In others, there is no arrest; you simply disappear before the sun rises again. Historically, witches have been drowned, crushed, and burnt; but here, our right to worship is protected and affirmed. My friends, WE OWE THIS COUNTRY! We are Witches, but we are also AMERICANS, and America has given us freedoms that weÕre still taking for granted. Because we are Americans, we have the right to our opinions, whatever they may be. Because we are Americans, we must carefully choose and thoughtfully deliver our words. How does a statement against this war affect your friend in the reserves, who is being asked to risk his life to protect the freedom you enjoy, the freedom won for you by the blood of thousands of Americans before him? IÕm not asking you to change your opinion or to suppress your opinion, only to be sensitive about how and when you express it. Whether or not you want a war, if there is to be one, you want it to be just, and for all those fighting for our ideals to come home. Remember the effect of will upon outcome, and bolster the will of our Armed Forces. Whether or not you want them to, theyÕre fighting for you.

TO PAGANS OF OTHER NATIONALITIES, STILL NOT CONVINCED:
I donÕt blame you. If Americans, the targets of this attack, still question the validity of war, why wouldnÕt you, who have already learned to live with terrorists on your doorstep? However, just because you have lived with it to this point, please donÕt assume that the terrorist threat is acceptable. That is the reason we appear na•ve to you at this point, I believe Š because we feel we can rout an insidious, invisible enemy. I ask you: what has the US ever attempted on this scale that it has not accomplished? When the US wholeheartedly devotes itself to one goal, that goal is reached. We will fight this war, and we will win it. With your help, it wonÕt take as long. With your help, the foundation for a true global community will be laid. With your help, our children could conceivably witness world peace. But with or without your help, this threat will be eliminated. To my mind, this is the time to band together.

WHY THE U.S. MUST TAKE DECISIVE ACTION
I present the following as a means of expanding our perspective through time and across the globe. This account is meant to demonstrate a karmic connection between the United States and Middle Eastern terrorism, a connection which must be ended through our action. While it was originally meant to be a comprehensive history of Middle Eastern terrorism, I have not had the chance to double check dates and locations, and I am very sure that I have missed events which should be included. For any omissions or errors I apologize in advance, and welcome postings and direct emails of correction. I am not laying blame on any culture or group of people for the actions which are listed here. They are listed solely for informational purposes, for through facts, we gain understanding, wisdom, and confidence. I have seen enough confusion in these postings and other places that I feel the thread of thought shown here will be helpful to others in coming to terms with our course of action. I also cannot take credit for the fluidity of the account listed here; my husband is a gifted historian, and relayed this information to me. I canÕt pretend to tell it half as well as he does, but IÕll try.

Until the twentieth century, the area now known as the Middle East was very stable. The Persian Empire lasted a very, very long time.

However, in 1941, Japan in an expansionist moment decided to bomb the U.S. Navy at Pearl Harbor. The strike killed 2400 men and women, and disabled our maritime capability. Reluctant before this, the U.S. entered World War II. In six months, through donations by U.S. corporations, donated steel from the SteelworkersÕ union, money donated by the American public through the purchase of war bonds, and plenty of sweat, we reached strike capacity, and we struck. Our engagement in World War II held several chapters which we would just as soon forget. The most notable of these are the imprisonment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps (publicly, for their own safety; also in reality to neutralize any potential security risk), an act so shameful we have literally tried to write it out of the history books; and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasake.

In the aftermath of World War II (1953), the United States felt the pain of the so-recently-slaughtered Jews, and heard them cry for their homeland. We carved a territory out of the sovereign state of Palestine, named it Israel, and gave it to them as their own, on the basis that they had occupied that land 2, 000 years before. Think for a minute how most Americans would feel if another country (pick a country Š any country) took pity on the Native Americans who occupied this land 2, 000 years ago, carved out, say Utah or Oklahoma or Oregon, and gave it to them as their homeland. The Arab World perceived Israel as a threat, and Israel was involved in two wars not too long after its birth Š one against Egypt (maybe actually two separate conflicts Š IÕm not sure) for some period in 1967 Š 72, and another against Syria in the 1970Õs. Because of its status as a "manufactured" modern nation, Israel fought vehemently. At about the same time period, the US was involved in Eastern Europe, and the rebellions of small states against Russia. We formed an alliance with Turkey, where we established a nuclear base in about 1962. This baseÕs purpose was to prevent the Soviet advance to the Mediterranean Sea, and was in part a retaliation against Russia for the placement of missiles in Cuba. The Middle East considered the base a second threat to their security (after the creation of Israel) by the US.

In 1973, an Israeli plane was taken hostage in Algeria. Without the permission of the Algerian government, Israel sent in troops who killed all the hijackers and rescued the hostages.

In the late 1970Õs, it was discovered that Israel had nuclear capability. Shortly after that, Iraq (maybe Iran, but I donÕt think so) also developed nuclear weapons. Israel bombed IraqÕs nuclear laboratory.

Around 1977 Š 1979, Jimmy Carter negotiated peace between Israel and Egypt. The rest of the Middle East was offended, first by the very existence of Israel as a sovereign nation, and also by the threat of IsraelÕs nuclear technology in their world.

Somewhere in this time period, the Shah of Iran was exiled, and the US granted him sanctuary. At this time, the Ayotollah came to power. To retaliate for CarterÕs peace and our acceptance of the Shah, the American Embassy in Iran was overrun and its occupants taken hostage for about a year and a half. In order to insult Carter, the Iranians released the hostages on the day of ReaganÕs inauguration as president.

From 1980 Š 1988, Iran and Iraq were at war. The US supplied arms to Iraq as revenge for the hostage crisis. Also during this period, there were numerous plane and boat hijackings in Europe, as well as some bombings. (Sorry I canÕt be more specific here.)

In 1983, the US decided to intervene in the conflict between Israel and Syria. There were displaced Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Israel had invaded and occupied South Lebanon for a long time. We sent Marines to Beirut to secure the area and keep the peace. An Arab terrorist drove a car bomb into the Marine barracks, killing 200. The US response was one of posturing. We sent the USS Saratoga, and flew fighter jets over as a threat. During the same time period, terrorists bombed a discotheque in Berlin. Much of the terroristsÕ backing came from Khadaffy in Libya. As a response, the US bombed Libya (basically a hit-and-run) in 1985 or 1986.

In 1988 or so, PanAm Flight 103 was bombed over Scotland. In 1990 Š 1991, Iraq discovered that Kuwait was cross-drilling into their oil reserve. They invaded and captured Kuwait. President Bush (father of our current President Bush) liberated Kuwait with a 500, 000-man mission, accomplished primarily by air strikes. Saddam Hussein used the tactic of protecting military targets by placing them in residential areas. Bush did not attack these targets, and Hussein therefore had the ability to launch scud missiles with some degree of effectiveness. During this time period, Israel again bombed Iraq over the development of nuclear weapons.

In 1979, the Soviet Union captured Afghanistan, thereby obtaining their long-desired Mediterranean port. They occupied the country for ten years. The US aids the Afghani rebels by giving them handheld missiles (Stingers? Stingrays?) to take out Soviet helicopters. These rebels were financed by Osama bin Laden and led by the Taliban. I believe it was during this period that bin Laden began his charity work as well, offering aid to war widows and orphans. (How many of the WTC hijackers do you suppose might have been orphans. . .) Russia was expelled in 1989.

In 1982, Anwar Sadat, a symbol of the potential for peace was assassinated by his own people, partially over his ties to the US.

In the 1990Õs, the US launched several "punishment bombings" of Iraq. There were many extremely bloody conflicts between Israel and Palestine, each harming more and more heartwrenchingly civilian targets. The carnage was on the tip of the American tongues every day. In 1993, the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center demonstrated that Osama bin LadenÕs organization and resources has spread all over the world. In 1998, American Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya (or was it Sudan?) were destroyed. In retaliation, Clinton fired Cruise missiles into Afghanistan.

During his administration, President Clinton bombed a target in (I think) Sudan. He claimed it was a dangerous chemical weapons lab. It seems it was actually a baby formula factory. When Former President Carter offered to investigate, he was flatly refused by the Clinton administration. All this happened, IÕm ashamed to say, right after the emergence of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. After the attack, ClintonÕs popularity rating increased.

Recent (within the last month) incidents in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict include the ambush of a civilian van, the suicide-bombing of a school, and firing a tank at will in a residential area.

Countries who have been bombed by terrorists not listed here (because I couldnÕt remember enough details to include them Š sorry) include West Germany, France, and Italy, including attacks on Rome. I also cannot remember the date of the hijacking of the Achille Lauro (a boat), where hostages were killed and thrown overboard.

During the destruction of the World Trade Center and the attack on the Pentagon, the media showed images of Middle Eastern citizens laughing and dancing in the street. The only places mentioned where this happened were Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon and some locations on the West Bank.

The common thread I feel this whole chronology shows is that of world giants, the US and Russia, manipulating this region for their own purposes, without any concern for the consequences upon the peoples and lands being ravaged. (The Pink Floyd line, "The generals sat, while the lines on the map moved from side to side" comes to mind.) We made powerplays for our own purposes (Russia, to gain a seaport; the US, to stop Russia during the Cold War, and to comfort the Jews after WWII), and did not consider the consequences. We redrew their map, over and over.

I say this not in support of the terrorists, but to explain why itÕs our responsibility to clean up this mess. We have unfinished business here. While IÕd love to be able to do it by some other means, we will go to war to finish this. I believe we will be in this area for a very, very long time, because if we are not, the instability will resurface. It is time to give this region back its stability, and the world back its safety. This is why karmically, if war is the only way to undo what we have done, we must go to war, despite our desire not to.

Terrorists usually have a goal. If I offend any group or country here by referring to a conflict as an occurrence of terrorism, I apologize. I just want to show the difference between what we face now, and what has occurred in the past. There have been terrorists action in Ireland, as part of a religious war. There is a definable, positive, finite goal there: religious freedom. There have been terrorist acts by the Basque, in order to defend their homeland and way of life: again, the goal is finite, positive, and definable Š leave us alone to live as we have always lived. There have been terrorist strikes in the conflict between India and Pakistan over the possession of Kashmir Š a finite, positive, definable goal. If you want to include the bombing of Pearl Harbor, again the Japanese goal was finite, positive, and definable Š to dominate the Pacific. I wonÕt keep going here Š IÕm sure you see my point.

The goal of the Islamic militants financed by Osama bin Laden is "to destroy Satan, that evil which is America." When asked about the statement made by their attacks, they have called it "an objection to American capitalism and foreign policy in the Middle East." These are simple acts of hatred with no specific goal, positive or negative, and no specified end. They do have something to object to, but this is not how one voices an objection. Other terrorist acts could be ignored, because one could see that they would eventually end Š the goal would either be attained or lost, and that would be that. These cannot be ignored, because they will not end. The terrorists will strike at Americans no matter where they are on the globe, which means we have a responsibility to our neighbors (namely everyone) to eliminate this threat.

Again, I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone through this chronology. This is not a justification or recrimination for any partyÕs action up to this point. Please take this information and draw whatever conclusions your heart directs you to.


Right Before The First Plane Struck The Tower I Awoke To The... Sep 16th. at 11:24:46 pm UTC

Amy Page (Indianapolis, Indiana US) Age: 23 - Email


Right before the first plane struck the tower I awoke to the sounds of screaming. I thought that it was my son having a bad dream until I remembered that he was over at his Grandparent's house.

It is tragic that this has happened to our nation. I know I am not the only one who woke up that day feeling the terror and the pain of knowing hundreds and thousands of people were about to die.

We have to pray to the gods and help the souls find peace. We as a people need to help each other through this tragic time.

We also need to remember We will get through this. We are strong and We can get through this horrible tragity.


I Have Found Most Of My Friends Who Live In New York... Sep 16th. at 11:28:42 pm UTC

Michelley QueenofQueens (Kingston, New York US) Age: 32 - Email


I have found most of my friends who live in New York City and emailed them saying, "glad you're ok". I should be writing "glad you're alive". Noone is ok. Nothing is ok. I am listening to Gershwin's Rhapsody in blue. Thinking of NYC as a spiritual entity. For me this music embodies the indefatigable, indestructible energy of NYC. New York is a city, contrary to popular belief, ruled by empathy and understanding. Only a place so diverse could create such common ground between people. Non New Yorkers are always shocked by the comradery and cooperation that occurs when a tragedy befalls the inhabitants of this city. The bond is one that is mostly unspoken and exists regardless of circumstance.
It is a place that, despite the daily conflicts that occur between individual inhabitants or citizens and government, is ruled by a harmonious flow of energy that neither humans nor legislature can impede. People will never stop jaywalking in Manhattan it would be contrary to that city's natural rhythm. Your neighbor has real empathy for your complaints about your every day struggles and really shares the joy of your successes. As you do theirs. It is symbiotic.
My sadness and anger at the mass destruction that occurred on tuesday Sept. 11th are overwhelming and inexplicable. As I write this I want to destroy my own words to prevent the inadequacy of their ability to describe my emotions. When a tragedy this horrifying occurs it rips open a void which may draw others into the realm from whence it was crafted, not unlike the death of a star creating a black hole in space. Hatred, Fear, anger, blame, disgust, pain, anguish, drawing us toward the event horizon of our complete annihalation. I am feeling all these things so deeply. So deeply that I want to hurt myself. So deeply that I want to lash out at other people including the ones I love. If I choose to create more pain in the world by acting on these impulses what have I resolved? As a species can we learn anything from what has happened ? We should. WE should learn that sending hate and pain into the world perpetuates malice and destroys life. That is all that it accompishes.
Our government will use the destruction of the World Trade center and the people inside it, the destruction of the Pentagon and its inhabitants, and the deaths of the human beings that were on hijacked planes being used as weapons, as an opportunity to fuel our anger and desire for revenge. They want our bloodlust so that we will fight their war for them. We will blame the "other" and go and "get them". People will then think that security have been regained and safety is ours. The fact is that security and safety are an illusion. Our destruction of a supposed "enemy" will result simply in the massacre of another group of innocents not unlike the ones who perished on Tuesday. It will not prevent another war mongering sociopath from playing his tricks upon people. If you truly believe that our army will only fight and kill another army and their leaders please consider what we "the good guys" inflicted upon the CITIZEN POPULATION of Nagasaki and Hiroshima at the end of World War Two. Also consider that during the war in Vietnam our big tough army was made up of boys whose average age was 17.
Our government will also use this tragedy as justification for rewriting laws regarding our constitutional rights as citizens. They will explain to us that privacy laws and inalienable rights such as freedom of speech are being changed for our safety. Many of you will agree with this rationale the way in which German citizens did during the start of the Nazi regime in the 1930's. You will agree until it is too late for you to stop the police state from breaking down your door .
I am an American. I am incredibly grateful for the quality of life I have experienced in this nation. I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I am aligned philosophically with the beliefs of other Americans such as Tom Paine, Malcolm X , Sojourner Truth, Mother Jones, The Stonewall rioters, Starhawk. I also believe in kindness and compassion. I can not tolerate cruelty in any form. Nor, do I support fighting wars for the wealthy. I believe in national or global self defense aimed at specific military targets and individuals who need to be stopped from destroying others. I do not believe that there are any acceptable numbers of citizen casualties when such self defense becomes the only option. I believe that thinking, feeling people EVERYWHERE need to stand together and speak out about our fraudulent presidential election and the consequences we are about to face as a result of this coup d'etat. I don't believe in borders where humanity is concerned. I believe that if we are a united force against the staus quo we will be one to be reckoned with.
At the end of the month protests against the world bank and the WTO were scheduled to take place in Washington DC. Two weeks before Tuesdays mind-numbing scene of carnage ensued, legislation had already been put in place to stop protestors from gathering at the Mall or in front of the Capitol building. The right to Peaceful protest is constitutional. The Constitution is the document that defines us as a nation. I wonder now if the protests will be allowed at all. I wonder what additional restrictions will be placed on protests in the future.

I feel that these concerns at this time are absolutely some of the most valid that a truly patriotic American can have. When anti flag burning legislation was being discussed in the supreme court several years ago I heard many veterans of foreign wars state that although they did not agree with the action itself they had gone to war to ensure Americans the right to do so.

I am not a self loathing Liberal. I accept my share of the responsibility for the atrocities that my elected government has engaged in in other lands and in this one. I validate and empathize with the pain that ANY mother, father or child has had to go thru for the sake of economics and power. I would not try to win a popularity contest with non-americans by agreeing with a notion as absurd as the one that America is the "devil" and we got what we deserved. I would simply like to point out that America is a country of IMMIGRANTS. It is a country that can teach us full well how meaningless borders are if we simply look at it's inhabitants. The people who died on Tuesday in no way deserved what happened to them. If you are from Italy and hate Americans you are hating yourself because thousands of Italians live here. If you are from Africa and hate Americans then you hate yourself because thousands of Africans live here. If you are from Ireland and hate Americans then you hate yourself.... As I said before, we need as thinking feeling people of all nations to put our minds and hearts together. To find a solution to ending governmental corruption, corporate greed and the needless suffering inflicted upon the innocent as a result. Laying blame may be a normal human reaction to pain but it makes as much sense as the acts of terrorism in NY and Washington on Tues.
I have no idea if even one person will read this let alone think about what it says or care. I do know that on Tuesday last my apathy and socio-political inactivity died with the thousands of victims in NY and DC. I urge those of you who feel the way that I do to speak out about the issues which matter to you. Use you art, your writing, whatever resources are available to you. I urge you to dismantle aggression whenever you can and however you can. Direct loveing positive energy toward both victims and agressors if you are able. We can not destroy hatred and malice but we can transform them. You simply have to WANT to do it. May peace and love prevail on earth.


Hello Everyone.i Wrote This Poem As A Memorial To Those That... Sep 16th. at 11:38:40 pm UTC

Arianrhod (Norfolk, Virginia US) Age: 34 - Email


Hello Everyone.

I wrote this poem as a memorial to those that were lost to us on 9/11/01. A COUPLE THOUSAND VOICES A couple thousand voices are stilled and speak no more

mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters--all tragedies of a madman's war I hear the bells toll, see the candles lit, and hear crying in the night A nation's people in mourning at the loss yet fighting the good fight

Terror comes in the day and rears it's ugly head-- It tries to conquer the nation's people and to fill their hearts with dread. We will not forget those who have gone before us, their lives weren't lived in vain--we will rise up like the Phoenix, in glory and live again

You will not defeat us--foul evil dispatched from a coward's bloody hand Our people are strong, we will defend America--our great nation and our land.

For no evil senseless and cruel has the right to blindly kill all those who would be human born of diety and free will And if you think you can stop us and cause us to flee your acts of hate--think again because it is you who are so foolish as to attempt so ill a fate! A couple thousand voices are still and are now silent in the night.

Our nation mourns and weeps this moment now, but we will fight the good fight.

---Arianrhod


To Paraphrase Gandalf: Many Who Live Deserve Death. And Many Who Die... Sep 16th. at 11:40:14 pm UTC

Arachne (Mountainair, New Mexico US) Age: 52 - Email


To paraphrase Gandalf: Many who live deserve death. And many who die deserve life -- can you give this back to them? Be wary of you desires for revenge, for even the Wise cannot see all ends.

I invoke strenght and compassion, courage and wisdom, valor and insight, to see all of us through the coming times. Thank you, my brothers and sisters, for giving me a community to look to, and thank you, Witchvox, for you unending commitment to us.

In perfect love and perfect trust -- Arachne


What Is It Anyone Could Say? At First, Shock, Then Horror And... Sep 16th. at 11:42:37 pm UTC

Tarostar (Toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 59 - Email


What is it anyone could say? At first, shock, then horror and sorrow.
But, from deep inside an anger, then a fury and then a rage against
the perpetrators of such an atrocity.

No grief counselling, no seeking to understand the reasons
of the hateful Islamic fanatics. No excuses and certainly no
calls for pacifistic hand wringing would I want to hear.

Cold, calculated, relentless and continuing pursuit of
those misguided and mistaken fanatics, to the last one,
is the only thing I want to see.

They attack, because of their misjudgment of us through
their thinking in stereoptypes. They view Human History as a religious epic
and see us in those simplistic terms. What a colossal miscalculation!

The juggernaut is slow to mobilize, but devastating in force and effectiveness.
They have begun to make it move. Woe betide! We don't all sing The Battle
Hymn Of The Republic, all at once for nothing.

They didn't heed Admiral Yamamoto's estimation of what was wrought
on Dec. 7, 1941. Sept. 11, 2001 will be the infamous day which wrought
their own demise, for having awoken that sleeping giant. There is nothing he hates wose
then a dastardly sneak attack. Up, Mars! Down with the fanatics! Tarostar


Greetings To My Brothers And Sisters, I Work On A Military Base... Sep 16th. at 11:52:39 pm UTC

Beryl (Clarksville, Tennessee US) Age: 35 - Email


Greetings to my brothers and sisters,
I work on a military base. I was at work that morning when we started hearing the sketchy news on the radio about the disaster. By the time we knew what had really gone on, the post was closed to both incoming and outgoing traffic as they secured the post. By the time I got home as watched the news that was being broadcast I think my mind had shut down to all emotions but disbelief. Then came grief. Grief for those that had died immediately, those that are even now missing and for the families of those who will never know what has happened to thir loved ones. Our coven had one of it's members who lived in New York and we had not heard from him and could not get in touch with him. Our hearts sank as we watched more and more of the news. Thankfully we have heard from him as he has been called up to his gard unit to help with the rescue efforts. Our coven initiates recently got together for a dark moon ritual. We performed a binding ritual against those who would commit acts of terrorism. It was a real release of all the feelings that had been building since this all began. We also took part at many have in a candlelight healing ritual. I take comfort in the fact that so many people stand with us at this time. I have been proud of our community of pagans and wiccans for their strength and resolve.


I Was Still Sleeping Tuesday Morning At 9 When I Heard My... Sep 17th. at 12:05:48 am UTC

Stormcrow Eaglebear (Columbia) Age: 30


I was still sleeping Tuesday morning at 9 when I heard my wife telling me I needed to get up, because "we might be going to war." She told me that a plane had plowed into the World Trade Center, and a few moments later, I watched the replay of the first plane, and live footage of the second World Trade Center collision. Then the camera panned to reveal smoke rising from the Pentagon..

Watching both Trade Center towers fall, and seeing this full-scale assault on the nation's capital was a horror I'd thought reserved only for the fanciful plots of Hollywood thrillers. Not so, it seems.

That morning, I met with the HPS that I work with, and we performed the first of what would be several healing Circles for the week.

If I didn't have the Lady and Lord to turn to, I don't know what I would have done this week. Those of us in the magickal community should work together, across lines of Paths and Traditions to weave a net of power and protection around our nation...and we should join with Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, and those of other faiths to form a unified front of prayer and healing. Let this act intended to sow fear and division instead sow seeds of unity and courage. Let justice be done without blind thirst for blood. Let Karma work its way. Let the Goddess and God do Their will, and all of the innocent departed find shelter in the Summerlands, while those left behind on the sacred Earth find comfort and the strength to persevere.

In Love and Light,
Stormcrow Eaglebear
HP, Snowstar Coven
Columbia, SC


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