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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Have So Little Time Today, But I Feel That I Must... Sep 17th. at 8:29:27 am UTC

Marian (Wichita) Age: 49


I have so little time today, but I feel that I must post these thoughts before I can work. With all due respect to those who wish to hold a dark working tonight, the night of the new moon, in order to raise the power of revenge and retaliation, I have to object. Violence begets violence. I am and American, and I cry for the lives lost and the pain that we have incurred. But there has to be a better way than to create more pain and destruction. I beg those that would do this to target only the people who were actually responsible for this terrible act. And I ask those who feel as I do to send their energies with mine in a working for peace and rationality, tonight, 9/17/01, at 9:00 p.m. CST.


Calling All Pagans:i Have Received This From A Friend And Thought... Sep 17th. at 8:43:02 am UTC

Seldanna (Norwood (outside Boston), Massachusetts US) Age: 25 - Email


Calling all Pagans:

I have received this from a friend and thought that this would be the perfect opportunity for everyone to unite. I know that we all have done so much in respect to prayers, rituals, and even the simple lighting of a candle for those lost and those left behind. Here is the perfect opportunity to pray for the world. Please read below and pass on to all Pagans you know. This could be an incredible event if word gets out.

My heart goes out to those suffering. May the gracious Lord and Lady watch over you and yours.

Blessed Be!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ September 15, 2001

A Call to all Witches, Pagans, Children of the Goddess, Native Peoples and Practitioners of Magic.

After being sleepless for three nights, an idea came to me of peoples of all colors in all places around our beautiful green jewel of a planet casting circles, singing, dancing, and calling on all the ancient powers of the earth and ancestors to protect Mother earth and her children in this time of eminent danger.

The forces of hatred, aggression and insanity threaten to envelop the hearts and minds of world leaders and send them towards favoring vengeful murders, mass destruction, and the possibility of unending war. This kind of response is a continuation of domination, oppression and deeper insanity itself.

So this is a simple request; a call to action for all Pagans, Peoples of Earth-Based Spirituality, and practitioners of the ancient ways to join together world wide and cast a circle of protection around the earth and all species of her off-spring; with special focus directed toward her human children.

The high holy day of the Autumn Equinox approaches. The equinox begins at 7:05 PM September 22, 2001, (Greenwich Mean Time). If possible, wherever you are whether alone or with friends; cast, dance, or imagine a sacred circle on that day and ask for the following;

1) Peace and the protection of earth and all her children.

2) Clarity, vision, forethought and right action to all leaders and peoples in their decision making and,

3) That all acts of hatred, murder, war and mass destruction, be averted.

I know that many people in this last week have been harmed and angered, or killed, but PLEASE do not curse or wish harm on any nation or person. Remember Do what thou wilt, and harm none.

This is an opportunity for all of us to join together around the world and bring our positive power, light, and magic to assuage ignorance, desperation and fear. Pass this on if you want to. Ho!

Blessing be to all,

Sandi Stein, Sonoma County, CA


Merry Meet... I Will Try To Keep This Short. Even In These... Sep 17th. at 9:06:33 am UTC

Raindancer (Christchurch, New Zealand) Age: 53 - Email


Merry Meet... I will try to keep this short. Even in these terrible times, we should remember that it wasn't ALL Muslims who attacked and killed innocent people, it was a fanatical few who only live to hate and kill. I agree that its not all light and love, and Karma has its way of seeing that people get whats coming to them. It is my hope that by whatever means possible these people be stopped, but at the same time, we need to ensure as much as we can, that only the guilty are punished, and not more innocent people.

We need to remember that many people of the Muslim religion despise these actions as much as we do. We should remember that just as we pagans have often suffered because of the ignorance of others, we should not fall into that trap as our oppressors did. We need to recognise that they are not inhuman monsters who hate us all and live only to kill all of us, they are people too, just like we are. Justice, yes, genocide, no.

During the Iranian Hostage crisis, I had some friends who were Iranian, They were really good people, they had nothing to do with the Ayatollah, and deplored what happened as much as anyone. But they were subjected to personal harrassment by ignorant people who couldn't see past the hate.

The Muslim religion is not the enemy, not all terrorists are Muslim, Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Muslim. People are rightly angry, but we should not let the anger blind us to losing sight of who the enemy is or is not. The real enemy is hate, blind unreasoning hate. The people who hate belong to all walks of life, all religions. We must not lose sight of who the enemy is or we risk embodying that old line from the cartoon strip, Pogo: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

May Lord and Lady give us the wisdom and the will to do what must be done, no more, no less.
Blessed Be
Raindancer


I Could Not Get Through To W/vox Before. Europe Is In... Sep 17th. at 9:36:04 am UTC

Jay Rufus (Tipperary) Age: 0 - Email


I could not get through to W/Vox before. Europe is in shock. I offer to all Americans these lines, penned at the start of another period of horror which the world eventually pulled through, and pray that we may all survive this time.

"We have built a House that is not for Time's throwing.

We have gained a Peace unshaken by pain for ever.

War knows no power."

written in the battlefield trenches by The English Poet, Rupert Brooke,

Serving with the Naval Division (Marines) on The Western front, Flanders, 1914.

I cannot believe what has been done in the name of the God whose true followers
call him "Allah the Compassionate, Allah the Merciful". It defies logic as well as belief.

May compassion and mercy, truth, justice and hope prevail in this beleagered world.


Mike (the Non-pagan) Here Again...i Posted These Lyrics Back On Thurs... Sep 17th. at 11:29:15 am UTC

Mike (New York, New York US) Age: 37 - Email


Mike (the non-Pagan) here again...

I posted these lyrics back on Thurs. night:

Healer in your Heart (C.Macdonald / R.Macdonald)

There's a watcher waiting on the edge of the world with the
thoughts that never darken when the lights go down
In the rhythm of living and the shifting tribe through the cities of
destruction in these graceless times

For the universe and the stars are around you now
But the healer in your heart is only a breath away

In the smallness of one heartbeat power overthrow
In the oneness of the journey for a homing soul
With the spirits of the mighty here since day began
A shadow rushes through the grasslands to the dying sun

For the universe and the stars are around you now
But the healer in your heart is only a breath away
For there's silence and there's blindness in a raging world
But the healer in your heart is only a moment away

Since then I've had several emails saying how beautiful and appropriate the words are, and asking for more information... they are by a Scottish folk/rock band called Runrig ( http://www.runrig.co.uk )... I've decided, after much thought, on this one occasion, to post an MP3 of this song on the net - it can be found at http://www.corestore.org/healer.mp3 - but I would encourage you all to go out and buy the albums!

Thanks for the kind words to all who wrote... I'm presently on standby to go to the rescue site (living in NYC and trained in cave rescue) and your kind words have meant a lot to me.

Mike


To Those That Were Forced To Cross-over Before Their Time, I Bid... Sep 17th. at 12:09:09 pm UTC

Obsidian Silverleaf (Columbia, South Carolina US) Age: 40


To those that were forced to cross-over before their time, I bid you Love & Peace. And to those who lost both Friends & Loved ones I bid you Love, Peace & Wisdom. Early that morning I wasnt able to get up, instead I was having bad visions in my sleep......and have been posting to one of several yahoo groups I belong to. The clearing up & cleaning is necessary then the retaliation can occur, yes, the Warrioress & Warrior Lady & Lord are about to have their day. My Husband who is Christian (Methodist Tradition) has also been outraged at a few men that claim to be Christian that has accused American Pagans of being the cause of theses events. And has attempted to contact the news organizations that carry their programming to state his displeasure of seeing the display of Hatred & Division at this time of great need of Love & Peace in America.
I am a member of the local Columbia Knitting Guild and the Guild called Pallmetto Purlers has been volunteered to knit squares to be put together to form a knitted American Flag to send to the folks that have either lost folks or to the Firefighters & constructions workers that have been out there working to clean up & look for survivors in the wreckage. May the Lady & Lord Bless the U.S.A.

Green Blessings
Obsidian Silverleaf, Clergy
Temple Bladed Chalice
Columbia, SC


It Is Not To You, My Brothers And Sisters, That This Letter... Sep 17th. at 12:15:27 pm UTC

Zeyra (Maricopa, Arizona US) Age: 32 - Email


It is not to you, My Brothers and Sisters, that this letter is directed.
It is to those who still, despite the call for unity, are torn apart.
I offer this to you from my heart and ask only that if it speaks to yours that you tell others of it so that they, too, may hear our words. We have been blamed as a whole, and though the words were "taken back" they still had their effect on the world, on me.
Blessings of Peace!
Zeyra

It is long, I apologize.

Dear America,
In recent news Dr. Falwell was said to blame the millions of American Wiccans, Pagan, gays and lesbians for our recent sorrows. Though Dr. Falwell has said that these statements were not made as they were reported, the words are still out there, and their damage is done.
I am here.
I am Wiccan.
The United States Constitution guarantees my right to be Wiccan.
Wicca is a pagan religion. A legally recognized religion.
Our law, our Rede, states that we must, above all things Harm none. In all things that we do we must also remember the law of three, karma, cause and effect, or more commonly known as "what goes around comes around".
We live our laws, our religion..... every day.... not only on Sundays, Wednesday nights and holidays.
We are not always the nicest, most popular, or most gracious people, but the largest majority of us strive for these things every day that we live and breath. There are many people out there who claim to be among us, but truth be told, if they do not follow our laws, they are not Wiccan.

We are not a "Godless country". The horrible acts perpetrated by the faceless cowards to whom all of our anger and hatred belong , had nothing at all to do with God! God does not cause the hardships that we face in our lives.......we do. As humans, as men and women, we alone control our worlds.

Pagans, Witches, gays and lesbians no more caused this terrible deed to befall us than some have in their constant berating and denoting of anyone who does not believe exactly the way that they do.
Are we not facing the very same hatred in these attacks on our sacred soil? And for the same reason?

We have been quiet. We have been carefull. For we are not strangers to the persona that has been portrayed on the televison and in movies that we are children eating satan worshipers. We as Wiccans and Pagans are a nature loving group of an estimated 1 million strong in this country alone.

We do not have a devil.
We are not the characters from Fairy tales in story books.
No more than you are Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, or the Easter bunny that your children, for a time, believe that you are.

We are Americans. We are women, men, and children who speak with our Gods daily!

We do not ever try to subvert your parishoners. We do not witness door to door in the hopes of attaining members. We teach when implored to do so, for this is a serious committment, one not taken lightly. We do not canvas for new members. We are sought.
We do nothing to negate any other religion.
We would fight by your side to insure your right to practice your religion.

The people whom we have accepted into our great country, the muslims in particular, they are not to blame. There may yet be a small handfull of those who are to blame within our very borders, but they are not out working and walking the streets. They are in hiding. They can see the news, and they know we are turning upon our own families. They love it! They are sitting back in their hiding places and they are laughing at us.

Our own citizens are now being forced to hide, as well. Ignorance is bliss, but not for those who suffer at it's hand.

What are we doing? We are blaming each other. We are killing and hurting innocent people, and in the name of what?
Patriotism?
No. In the name of hatred.
We are directing our sorrow, our anger at the wrong people and we will atone for this. Each person who generates this hate, who perpetuates these hate crimes will answer to their God in time.
God wouldn't want this.
Do we also have a ghihad pact with our Gods? Do we ascend to a higher level of heaven if we hurt those who have come to us for shelter and opportunities that they could not even hope to receive elsewhere? No. And for those of you who have done these most unspeakable things, I feel sad for and because of you.


Though some may blame us. Even hate us...we will fight for them and for you. Give our very lives for your freedom. We are in the Armed Forces. In our Governments offices.

We are the healers, the caretakers of this beautiful planet, the recyclers, the tree planters, the garden tenders and the teachers.
We are America.

God is not gone...
God is here and seen in all things that live and breath.

I see God right here and now.

In closing....

On this, the eve of our most horrendous war, I beg of you, the American people, to put aside our differences and see only the human being standing in front of you, at your side or the one guarding your back, not who they pray to, or where they came from, or who their parents are. Just see your brothers and sisters and fight WITH them. Unite misspelled is UNTIE... and many of us are getting it wrong and doing just that.... and we are falling apart.

We, as Wiccans and Pagans, have suffered for every soul that has been lost to us since that terrifying moment when we learned of the treachery which has befallen all of us Americans.

We will be united only when we all unite as one. No race, crede, or religious preference can be taken into consideration or we are lost.
Then they win.

Zeyra Lunara
9-16-2001


In The Nights And Days Following The Disaster, I Often Wondered Why... Sep 17th. at 12:36:23 pm UTC

Dave Gevaulden Thurston (Portland , Maine US) Age: 28


In the nights and days following the disaster, I often wondered why. In the time to follow I simply ask the goddess again why, Then on that night 7p with the stars so bright. I joined my fellow sisters and brothers of my lil circle for the vigil.
We stood there in the night, holding the flag and our candles high, the combination of the candle light and our own energies filled our area with a warmth, a warmth and light that we send to the families of the victiums, a light that we send to the workers, digging out the wtc, A light that we send in hopes that everyone can see, what piece could bring what love can bring, and see what war and distruction can bring closer to a comunity.

Gevaulden


I've Seen Lots Of Arguments Brewing In The Pagan Community As To... Sep 17th. at 12:38:56 pm UTC

Lysander True (San Diego, California US) Age: 28 - Email


I've seen lots of arguments brewing in the Pagan community as to what we should do, should we get retribution, should we stand by and only get the terrorist responsible. Personally, I think our arguments are foolish, I will back the United States government, I will back the United States military, I will do these things because I am American, Republican and Pagan. If you are of like mind please join with us, where we don't Bush-bash and we understand that the old ways involved Gods and Goddesses of War, Vengeance and Retribution. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pagan_republican_anonymous/join


Dear Fellow Pagans, I Learned Of The Attacks As I Was Driving... Sep 17th. at 12:52:38 pm UTC

Yvonne aka Starspider (So. Paris, Maine US) Age: 37 - Email


Dear Fellow Pagans,

I learned of the attacks as I was driving along to keep appointments I had Tues. morning. I was stunned and began to weep. With a very heavy heart, I met up with my friend later that day and we ate lunch and talked about our feelings. Awhile later, the overwhelming need to just lay on the Earth came over me. My friend and I went out into her yard and sat quietly together. We smudged and enjoyed the magnetism of the ground. We allowed our spirits to be comforted and renewed.

I went home later to a sad and stunned family. Other friends had called to say that a ceremony would be held for my spiritual community. We gathered our children and went. It was good to be held in the arms of loved ones when the world gets too crazy to stand. I fell into bed and slept badly later that night, but I got up the next day feeling great anticipation for the shamanic drumcircle that I would attend later that night. I knew that we would do some healing work called psyhcopump. This is work for helping souls of the dead to cross into the light. I was anxious to get there because I so wanted to do something meaningful to help.

As I gathered with my close friends, and called upon the nature spirits and Pan to support our work, I felt the power of Spirit become palpable. I am always awestruck by this phenomenon no matter how often it happens to me, but that evening, I was speechless. Spirit felt like it would jump into incarnation at any moment. I felt that I was hugged and full of light.

We started our work together that night with our usual warm up shamanic journey. We chose to do a group question: What gift, lesson or wisdom can I bring out of this tradgedy? I share here what Spirit revealed to our group that night in hopes that it will aid others.

One man in our group was brought by his guide to a high point over looking the WTC. He was saddened by the sight of so much death and destruction and said so to his guide. He asked if the lesson was to be more compassionate. His guide said: "Yes, but you must also offer equal compassion to those who profess themselves to be your enemy."

One woman present was told by her guide that it was very important to savor life and stay totally enchanted with it and her loved ones.

Another man was reminded that the terrorists came from a culture and society that encourages violence for religious reasons and for simple personal freedom and personal protection. They and their father's father's father was raised from infancy to hold guns, see death in their street, hear bombs going off next door. These people live their "normal" lives(if anything like this lifestyle can be called normal), love, marry, have children, and grow old with political unrest, abject poverty, lack of education and medical treatment and murder. They are desensitized and dehumanized by this. They are in need of healing. The guide reminded my fellow journeyer that the work we would do that night at the crash site wasn't just for American victims. He reminded us that it would be for the terrorists too.

I recieved all of this profound wisdom and direction in the places that my values live. I knew that I would be challenged that night. I knew that my rage and anger at what the terrorists had done would have to be tempered with compassion if I was to truly heal in a meaningful way.
I want to share a bit about what I saw as we proceeded to offer the psychopump healing work:

I saw only darkness and the astral hands of my fellows holding my own hands. I felt a rage and grieving that had come alive and was consuming all in its path. This living blackness grasped at me. I saw a few faces rise out of that. One was a woman's face that exploded before my eyes. I saw a terrorist dancing a dance of glee. I saw two other terrorists standing in abject shame and horror at what they had done. I heard and felt the collective shrieks of thousands of voices as they passed through my body on their way to the light. I too shrieked from my soul, though my physical voice made no noise. From the depths of my being rose a song of power and faith. My astral voice began to sing with all the force of my life. My physical throat ached withit. I saw other beings of power holding my hands and we began dancing to raise power to aid these souls to the light. More blackness and grief passed through me, but I felt that it didn't touch me so deeply as before the others began to dance with me. Still it felt like the black beast born of the terrorists terrible work would was neverending...I focused instead on the work and not as much on the horror of it all. I felt grateful for those that were in circle with me. I began to tire...Finally after what felt an eternity, the work and blackness came to an end and I could see the astral faces of my friends standing with me in a circle and then sitting down to the sound of the call back drumbeat.

I wept and shared what I had seen as did the others. The rest of the group had seen the terrorists too. Each had encouraged them to go to the light. One circle member, shared that the gleeful terrorist had come up to her during the journey and asked if she was going to judge him. He expected it and was trying to encourage her to express it so that he could gloat some more. She said, "No...why don't you go to the light?

Needless to say, the shamanic experiences that I had will stick with me for the rest of my life. I pray for that man's soul that he might be helped to understand that power over is not the way to True power...and is certainly not a True way to express religious joy.

Delusions about correct and rightful use of power and the willful, selfish misuse of power is what brought this day to us. It will keep our society imprisoned if we allow it to. Our hope for a future that is filled with peace and joy will only come from a world society that holds dear shared power and power that comes from within...that Divine source of life within us all.

I want to share a final event that came at the end of my shamanic drumcircle. Our facilitator recieved a visit from the Iotolla Khomaini(sorry for spelling). IK said that he had come to think that he was wrong about many things when he was incarnated. He said that he was still working on himself and would someday try to help things to be different among his people. He said that he was very sad that this had happened to all those victims.

I took great hope from that. I am amazed that he visited us and very grateful that he did. I intend to remember what I saw, felt and heard last week. I want to hold that memory of the wisdom spoken to me and my fellows. I want to live that truth. I will continue to offer prayers for the healing of our nation and for the peace of the world. I will continue to hold the vision of beings of light holding our world in comforting arms and that enlightened and powerful people of the world will be doing great magics to prevent the loss of human rights and freedoms. I will pray that the world leaders strive to promote world peace...and it is my profound wish that all of this occurs through peaceful means...not through violent revenge. I want justice and healing. To me they are one and the same if they come in the form of love. Love heals all. It is powerful beyond imagining.

I am deepening with the spiritual truth that my soul, that your soul too is powerful beyond imagining too because of my experience of this event. I am filled with love and compassion. I see so many others too. More than I knew existed intellectually...I pour out upon the Earth the Divine Light that is within me. I rejoice in that poured out from the hearts of others. I am eternally renewed with the infinite love that is the starstuff the universe is made of. So are you. So are we.

This event has driven home to my heart the saying: I am of you. You are of me. We are one... I have come to realise that this is true beyond the metaphysical energy level I have understood before. We are one society. One economy. One human nation. If we realize this and allow love to guide our Higher Will, all will be well on Earth.
May peace, comfort and love abide with you and yours..
Starspider


One Daysix Days Ago, The World Changed. Like Many, I Thought... Sep 17th. at 12:54:10 pm UTC

Inori Aleynterra Riverli (Clearfield, Utah US) Age: 21 - Email


ONE DAY

Six days ago, the world changed. Like many, I thought I was hearing some strange fiction as the DJ quietly announced what was taking place even at that moment. Since then, I can only think of how much one day can do.

One day in Winter brought a young woman out of darkness. The same day 50 years ago brought a lush paradise to its knees. One day last week, wrought with hatred and tears, meant to tear a nation apart, has brought us together, united in mourning and in a battlecry to tell the world that we will not be brought down in one day. We will search out the hatred that perpetrates such actions as these, and we will not allow that person or persons to continue spreading pain.

One day in history will not be ignored. One day cannot crush the spirit of this great nation, and we will continue to show this spirit as we rebuild the piece of our hearts that has been taken away.


It Took A Few Minutes After The Second Plane Hit The Wtc... Sep 17th. at 1:03:18 pm UTC

Kristin (Washington, District of Columbia US) Age: 29 - Email


It took a few minutes after the second plane hit the WTC for the reality to start to absorb. And within minutes, my boss came running out of her office in tears. "They just hit the Pentagon!" Approximately 3 miles from the office where I am sitting. And it hit me like a thousand tiny fists that in that minute, my daughter would not grow up knowing the freedom and security that I have always taken for granted. The possibility of dying became very real as we walked outside and looked into the sky, terrified to see what an hour before we wouldn't have even noticed, planes flying low as they prepared to land at Reagan National Airport.
As the days have passed, it still doesn't quite feel real. Until one moment on Friday night, when my 3 1/2 year old daughter looked at me with big, sad eyes and asked "Mommy, when that tall building fell down, did the peoples' hearts break?"
Yes, honey... they did.


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