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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| I Consider Myself To Be A Christo Pagan In Training. Everything That... ||Sep 17th. at 3:42:12 pm UTC|
|Ciarrai (Central NJ, New Jersey US) ||Age: 34 |
I consider myself to be a Christo Pagan in training. Everything that I've studied has pretty much told me that I didn't have to completely abandon the beliefs in which I was raised. I have managed to strike a balance. I know most Pagans don't get that. But I am still in my "study phase, " and I I feel that I can't self-initiate until I'm done with my year and a day. I'm also lucky to know a Pagan artist that I am sure will teach me. I never felt ready before, or rather, worthy. Not quite yet educated enough. "Year and a Day."
I will always consider myself a "Jersey Girl, " and man, I have to say that I am pretty scared. NYC is my backyard. NYC is only about 15 miles from my house. I'm fortunate to not have anyone from my family there, but I feel like my family is there, b/c it is NYC. Because it is AMERICA.
I'm feeling more and more Pagan every day. I never realized how open minded I was. I don't think that I used to be. I feel very bad about the American Muslims in the area. I am hearing horror stories about people being beat up. I'm trying not to argue with my friends when they say things like we should send them all back to the Middle East. I'm becoming offended when they suggest that the women not cover their heads if they don't want to be attacked. I'm extremely offended by what Jerry Falwell had to say about the Pagans. I'm just as offended about what the Pagans have to say about the Christians. And I'm tired about people whining about the lack of Pagan presence at the Day Of Prayer. Don't worry; we were there. And I agree about not Bush-bashing right now. He's our President, and we have to have faith in his decisions now. I didn't vote for him but bellyaching isn't going to help. Not when I hear about my friends that have volunteered and have seen people trying to piece fingers with hands and people whose faces were burned off.
I cast my first circle this past Friday night. I read aloud from a book or modidn't bother to get a book to look up instructions from any of the wonderful books from Peg Aloi's list. I went to a "New Age Type" shop in a nearby town on my way home from work. The Pagan shops weren't going to be conducive to my time commitment of my 7 p.m. candle lighting. I didn't have the time to make my own candles, oils and brews as I envisioned my first circle. I purchased candles that were already charged. I charged them myself anyway. I purchased pre-made oils. I knew that what I found would have to do. The woman behind the counter asked me if I needed help, and I just replied no, thanks. As I was shopping she commented that I seemed to know exactly what I was looking for. My athame was a piece of my sterling silver flatware, my boleen to carve the initials of the missing that I know was an old beau's hunting knife that I found in the closet that morning. My altar was on my little balcony.
I'm sure my neighbors are convinced that I am crazy. "What's the chick doing up there talking to herself? What is she carving into those candles? Why is she plunging her silver into the flame?" -- that is what I am sure they were thinking.
My beau arrived late. He knew that I would be performing a ritual and he didn't want to spoil it or tease me. He thought it was beautiful to see me up there.
I'm proud to be a Pagan American.
Thanks so much to the Pagan community outside of the US for your thoughts.
| Sorry For The Second Post -- And For All The Typos In My... ||Sep 17th. at 4:09:24 pm UTC|
|Ciarrai (Central NJ, New Jersey US) ||Age: 34 |
Sorry for the second post -- and for all the typos in my first post.
Someone just sent me this. Although it seems insensitive, at first, it makes sense. (My best friend is a banker!)
Subject: Fw: The best actions you can take for your country...
One of the obvious goals in Tuesday's attack in addition to the murder of innocent people was to cripple the American economy. The World Trade Center was a target because of its tremendous impact on the world's economy.Ê The impact on world markets was immediate and the long term impact remains to be seen.Ê The time to act is now...we can not let the scum of the earth dictate our future.
The only way to avoid additional economical decline is to continue to consume.Ê We can not rely on Federal Reserve adjustments, tax relief, etc.Ê All Americans must continue to participate in our economy.Ê Americans must analyze their budgets and buy needed/ wanted items of all varieties as long as these purchases are made within their means.Ê Go Christmas shopping now...you will be done early to enjoy the holidays and you will keep the United States out of recession.Ê Buy birthday and wedding presents for the Fall and Winter now...avoid the headaches of last minute buying.
The bottom line is we must be proactive in maintaining consumer confidence.Ê Giving blood and money for disaster relief are wonderful, needed actions by all...but it does not stop there. Contribute actively to our economy and do not let the savages who killed our fellow citizens win.Ê Please forward to your entire address book so we can make a difference.
| Sorry All -- Third Post. I Should Have Changed The Reference To Christmas... ||Sep 17th. at 4:12:14 pm UTC|
|Ciarrai (Central NJ, New Jersey US) ||Age: 34 |
Sorry all -- third post. I should have changed the reference to Christmas shopping to holiday shopping. Just realizing this now. I didn't write it! Don't be angry with me! Peace!
| I Know A Lot Of People Have Felt Helpless During This Past... ||Sep 17th. at 4:15:56 pm UTC|
|Mina (Laurel, Maryland US) ||Age: 24 |
I know a lot of people have felt helpless during this past week, unable to do anything other than give money to the people working on the rescue effort.
I don't know if any of you did (and you certainly don't have to tell me), but if you donated to the Red Cross I want to personally say "thank you." My boyfriend was called up to aid in the search and rescue effort (as he has a certain skillset they needed - not military). He told me yesterday that they had got in shipments from the Red Cross of clean clothes and food. He said that someone who'd gone up with him had gotten a pair of boots to replace her inadequate tennis shoes. He had gotten some clean clothes (he says he's covered in dust most of the time). They all appreciated the food brought.
So, as I sit and wait for the bittersweet moment when he comes home (bitter because it will mean they have stopped looking for survivors), I want to thank anyone and everyone who has donated to organizations like the Red Cross, because YOU HAVE HELPED!
| I've Struggled (like Everyone) To Understand The Meanings In The Acts That... ||Sep 17th. at 4:27:02 pm UTC|
|Turtlefeather (Hendersonville, North Carolina US) ||Age: 32 - Email |
I've struggled (like everyone) to understand the meanings in the acts that were carried out this Tuesday last, and have shuddered and wept at the lack of answers. I kept asking the Universe what we could expect from this tradgedy. The answer I finally received simply said "unity." Then I asked what I could do to help those that suffered the worst, and a resounding voice said "love." Unify in love....
I served my country for eight years and concluded that war and violence are not the answers to peace. I am against fighting others, especially when we don't know who perpetrated the violence against us. We need to find out why, what could we do to change things for better understanding....
Everything is energy. Everything changes and turns into the rich earth for new growth. Maybe, in a very twisted way, the Earth is taking back some of the energy we've taken from Her and we are just too deaf to hear it. Everything happens for a reason. Maybe that reason is so much larger than we can comprehend....
I don't want to trivialize what happened Tuesday. I struggle every day to understand why things happen. I mourn for those lost, and wish them greater understanding in their journey.
| Truly Horrible!i Cannot Understand What Each Human Being Can Do To... ||Sep 17th. at 5:15:45 pm UTC|
|Charlotte Hammerle (Lake City, Florida US) ||Age: 48 - Email |
Truly horrible!I cannot understand what each human being can do to the other. I found your site by mistake the other week , I am a clairvoyant and had for days before the attack been getting bad dreams of horrible content . Unfortunately I can not decipher some of these dreams but my gift is to see death . I could not sleep for days before and since I felt the sadness and pain of those killed and left behind. I am now angry at people who would force their religious beliefs on us to fight a holy war and then run like so many cowards do.I pray for victory over our enemies and pray for protection of our people who must now fight this war on mankind. I thank you for the privledge of letting others know my feelings. charlotte hammerle
| I Am Afraid That The Us Will Forget The Rule Of Three... ||Sep 17th. at 5:21:56 pm UTC|
|Dandilion (Milford, New Hampshire US) ||Age: 31 |
I am afraid that the US will forget the rule of three. We must remember to think and act deliberatly. We must protect ourselves and other countries that want our help. If we take revenge it will start world war III.
| It Was Like A Bad Play. Driving Along I-70, I Turned... ||Sep 17th. at 6:33:07 pm UTC|
|KatzSai (Wilmington, Delaware US) ||Age: 39 |
It was like a bad play. Driving along I-70, I turned on the radio, and the first thing I heard was, "We interrupt this program . . ." WTC 1 was already hit, WTC 2 was moments away, and the Pentagon followed shortly. Traffic slowed to 40 mph as if we were all of one mind. I cried, and drove on. Kitty-Wiggins, travelling with me for a change, stood and cried with me.
My brother, scheduled to be on the flight which crashed into the Pentagon, changed his plans at the last moment to accomodate a business meeting. He should be dead. He is not.
My co-worker's sister was on the 46th floor of WTC 7, and waited almost too long to leave. She should be dead. She is not.
My friend, whose office is - was - in the Pentagon had his regular 9:30 Tuesday morning meeting moved to a different wing. It was almost as though the plane targeted his desk. He should be dead. He is not.
My business associate was attending a conference in WTC 1. He should be dead. He is not.
I am devastated. I spent the better part of a week just sitting, barely moving, unable to think, or feel. I ask myself how I can justify this feeling of heartbreak when all I love are whole?
I realize and embrace the fact that I can be heartbroken - we can all be heartbroken - because we are all part of the interconnected web of life. We must each decide as individuals what we can do to help, whether it be spellworking, donating blood, or digging through rubble looking for survivors. But whatever we do, let us do so with thoughtfulness and purpose, so we may mend the gaping holes in our web which have been left by such loss, and both give to and receive strength from those around us.
Two candles burn on my altar: one to embrace and encourage healing and hope, one to embrace the three-fold law of return.
| Hello From Connecticut!just Some Thoughts To Encourage My Pagan Family And... ||Sep 17th. at 7:20:53 pm UTC|
|MAIA (BRIDGEPORT, Connecticut US) ||Age: 37 - Email |
HELLO FROM CONNECTICUT!
JUST SOME THOUGHTS TO ENCOURAGE MY PAGAN FAMILY AND SISTER WITCHES. TONIGHT , IN THE DARK OF THE MOON MY THOUGHTS ARE OF HECATE, THE GRANDMOTHER OR CRONE. WHEN I REFLECT ON THE DEVASTATION IN NEW YORK AND IN WASHINGTON, I AM REMINDED BY HECATE THAT SHE IS THERE. ALL THE SIGHTS AND SOUNDS AND SCENTS, THE FEELINGS OF LOSS AND ANGUISH AND SORROW REFLECT HER PRESENCE AND YET THOSE OF US WHO KNOW HER ARE COMFORTED...FOR WE KNOW " THAT ONLY THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW [HER] FEAR[HER]" TO KNOW HECATE IS TO KNOW THE GODDESS IN FULL AS SHE TRULY IS, THE MOTHER, THE ONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED ALL THE TRADGEDY, AND SORROW AND ANGUISH THAT ETERNITY HAS EVER KNOWN ...AND EMBRACED IT. WE ARE PROMISED THAT THOUGH HER WOMB IS A TOMB, THE TOMB IS ALSO A WOMB, AND FROM IT ALL DEATH AND DESTRUCTION AND DESPAIR IS TRANSFORMED INTO NEW LIFE , CREATIVE ENERGY AND JOY!!!! EVERY LIFE'S ENERGY CONSUMED AT THOSE MOMENTS OF TERROR AND DEATH HAS BEEN REABSORBED BY OUR GREAT MOTHER TO BETRANSFORMED , NEGATIVE INTO POSITIVE, AND DEATH INTO NEW LIFE, SORROW INTO GLADNESS, EVIL INTENT INTO GOODWILL. DO YOU NOT SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF IT YET? FEEL IT IN THE NEW FOUND BROTHERHOOD OF THE STRANGER ON THE STREET? HECATE'S PROMISE NEVER GOES UNFULFILLED. THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUNDUS IF WE CHOOSE TO PONDER OVER IT. BE SURE OF THIS. AT THE MOMENT THAT OUR LOVED ONES LOOKED INTO HECATE'S FEARSOM FACE AND FELT HER COLD HANDS CLASP THEIRS, FOR THEM SHE WAS TRANSFORMED AND AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH, THEIR ONLY VISION AND SENSATION WAS OF BEING EMBRACED BY OUR MOST BEAUTIFUL MOTHER IN ALL OF HER BRIGHT SPLENDOR. SURELY HECATE WILL GRANT US THE WISDOM TO DEAL WITH THE EVENTS OF THIS PAST WEEK AS WELL AS THE UPCOMING DIFFICULTIES AHEAD. I PRAY NIGHTLY FOR HER GUIDANCE. THIS IS MY TRUTH . PERHAPS IT WILL COMFORT YOU ALSO. PEACE AND BLESSED BE, MAIA
PEACE AND BLESSED BE,
| I Remember A Time When We Were Safe From The Outside World... ||Sep 17th. at 7:44:17 pm UTC|
|Loki (Lockport, New York US) ||Age: 37 - Email |
I remember a time when we were safe from the outside world, untouchable because of our proximity to the rest of the world. We were secure and no one could violate our saftey and security. The world was a bright cheerful place and children could go out and play in the yard without a care in the world
How pompass and ignorant we were then, how care free. We lived each day as if we would live forever. Then, little did we know, we would all die alittle, some of us more than others, in one swift stroke. that seems like a far off time now, as we try to put our lives back together and live as if nothing happened.
What can we do? how can we ever feel safe again? Our delicate grasp on reality has been crushed by one who has no cares for others and no reguard for any life what so ever. I am Mad, Frightened, and Sad all at the same time, not to mention Scared.
I feel for those who don't know the fate of their loved ones who are missing. It is hard to comprehend the enormity of it all and exactly what it means. To think that so many lives can be instantanously extinguished is mind boggling. What a diabolical sceme, what a Bastard, who ever thought of such a thing.
Will I ever feel safe again? maybe someday. Everyday now I give my children extra hugs and tell them I Love them thinking there is a chance I may never see them again when I leave for work, or the store, or wherever. Maybe some good can come out of this if it means that we all take the time to tell others we care for them and spend a few extra minutes to play with our children because it could all be taken away from us any time. Perhaps its a good thing if we were forced to slow down and take a look at where we are heading and say nothing is worth it if I can't spend a few extra minutes with my family and friends.
I know from now on I will try to slow down and smell the flowers and notice how bright the sunshines and how wonderful it is to hear the birds sing and children laugh.
| It's Amazing You Know I Grew Up Thinking I Am Safe No... ||Sep 17th. at 7:48:22 pm UTC|
|Samantha Erickson (Ruckersville, Virginia US) ||Age: 18 - Email |
It's amazing you know I grew up thinking I am safe no one will hurt me I live in America the home of the free land of the brave. All that changed tuesday, all that life gone in moments and for what? I couldn't even watch the news that day I heard everything second hand I was devistated dieing bleeding for those people though I did not know them they were like me Americans striving and some living the American dream. I makes my heart absolutely sick to see the devistation. I can't imagine anythign that has ever happened to America this bad. Then more streams in most of it is haertwarming how so many diverse people are gatherign together how we have forgotten are race and creed laid down al hatred and become Americans plain and simple. Then more still comes in and the blaming starts. I have heard so much that makes all my wounds feel as if they have been rubed with salt. Living in the bible belt I thought I was use to everything that could ever be possible so say to a young pagan bisexual femminest. I hadn't even shiped the ice burg. The people in Texas and other places who defieled the Islamic churches. The conservatives on TV and raido saying that God turned his back on america because of femminest and pagans and homosexuals. I cry at the thought of so many lives lost and then to be blamed for it? What did these people die for? did they ask that America turn it's back on those who sturgled for so long to gain reginition? I can only hope that most people turn off thier raido's and TVs and understand that love not hate is our only way. enbrace your brother who ever he may be do not juge him by what color he is or what sex of what path the follows to divitity or who shares is bead on cold nights. on see another human in pain in need of a loving arm. love is the strongest weapon and the best defense we have I know that coming from someone so young it seems somehow less important. I do not think It seems that I can change anything I'm stuck at being one of those people that no one lissens to no one talks to I bearly even get e-mail. but I hope to all things that at least some can reconise the importance of what I say here.thank you.
| As A Former Navy Corpsman Who Served With The Fleet Marine Force... ||Sep 17th. at 7:51:33 pm UTC|
|Sir Bonnie Knight (Pittsfield) ||Age: 47 - Email |
As a former Navy Corpsman who served with the Fleet Marine Force stationed in Beiruit, I vividly remember the day in 1983 when terrorists bombed the U.S. Embassy there. This has effected me both in mind body and in spirit. So I pray to the Lord and Lady for the ones who heal so that others may live.
Blessed be in peace,
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