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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Work In The Home Offince And National Processing Center Of A... Sep 22nd. at 9:49:43 pm UTC

Ginny Knight (Largo, Florida US) Age: 61 - Email


I work in the Home Offince and national processing center of a large multi-national brokerage firm (fortunately far from New York). Our immediate concern when we got the news on that Tuesday morning was for the hundreds of our COMPETITORS that were in those buildings. Yes, we felt the horrible loss of American lives, like everyone else, but we hadn't realized until then the tremendous kinship for the men and women whose very existance made us do our own jobs better. Because of the shut-down of the air courier services, very little work could reach us for several days. So we filled the time with fund-raisers, blood drives, covering our offices with American flags, and any other way we could find to send comfort and support, and our E-mails were mainly prayers. On Monday morning, I heard the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange with tears in my eyes. It may have been a small victory to some, but it was yet another proof of the indominatable American Spirit. Then an amazing number of us put our money where our mouths had been all week when we were telling our clients that to sell now would be letting them destroy our economy as well as our buildings, we placed our own BUY orders! We also have been told to specify which company we wanted when we called some of our offices in the area because they were sharing their offices with competitors who no longer have their own. This is just one of countless examples of Americans standing together in the face of adversity. When we do this WE CANNOT BE BEATEN!!!

Like you, I was unable to light my candle in all the wind and rain Friday night by my prayers and energy were with those who did.

Blessed be and keep praying for Peace




Heilsa,as Our Nation Prepares For War A Few Thoughts From A... Sep 22nd. at 9:56:37 pm UTC

Hadding (Olympia, Washington US) Age: 41


Heilsa,

As our nation prepares for war a few thoughts from a from a pagan who is serving in the armed forces. We serve proudly and will perform all those nasty, brutish, tender and courageous tasks that our nation will call upon us to do. Remember that the thing that makes soldiers what we are is not the willingness to kill. It is the willingness to die for each other, our fellow citizens and our Constitution. I have been to war and have lead men in combat. There is no higher duty and honor than the trust that the nation put into my hands. It was truly a humbling experience. It is unfortunate that circumstances may put that duty in my hands again.

We have been attacked. As surely as at Ft Sumter, Pearl Harbor and in the waters of the North Atlantic. All Americans, like it or not, have a target painted onto our backs. Because of this the nation and our goddesses and gods are calling on us to do our duty. Duty is a heavy concept and not one we as Americans like. But as Wren says there is a cost to freedom. ALL of us need to help in beating this enemy. There is no place on Earth for the United States to the likes of bin laden and his ilk. They hate and fear us for who we are. We aren't perfect, but we admit it and work at it. I encourage you people to read the sites on the Taliban mentioned in an earlier post. The Taliban is not some poor group that is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Those who say we should get a high standard of proof remember this is not the first attack by the Bin Laden group, not the first American blood they have spilled and it won't be the last. But all Americans have a duty to perform. Yours may be to give blood on a regular basis, visit and comfort those we will leave behind, to design a perfect computer code to find and electronically take all our enemies money, to write poetry and for some- to join the armed forces. But whatever your duty is, perform it not only when it is easy, perform it when it is hard, bothersome or scary. The goddesses and gods ask for no more, and we should offer up no less.

Here is an unfortunate truth. We will kill "innocents". There is no way not to. I trust that our government and our allies will make reasonable attempts to keep that number low. But our enemy will not meet us on the field of battle like at Stamford Bridge, Agincourt, Bunker Hill or Gettysburg. They will hide among civilians hoping that we won't attack them because they are surrounded by civilians. We have to remove that option for them. I trust our government will use the appropriate tools to minimize the blood of those who aren't involved.

I don't know where and how this war will unfold. The Norns won't give me a peek at that cloth they are weaving. Nations rarely get what they hope for or to the place they want to be in a war. Our enemy is intelligent, ruthless, wants to win and will use our society's freedoms to achieve their goals. We must be smarter and just as ruthless. But we must be smarter. We must use the fruits of our society to isolate them. People should see our soldiers and bombers as the means to religious freedom, a better life and ultimatley peace. During WW 2 we dropped many tons of bombs on the French, Phillipinos and others. Some died, but those who survived knew we were doing so to free them from a greater evil than war. We should work with out allies to meet the same goals.

Some say that we lust for war. As a soldier I can tell you on Tyr's honor that we don't. We know who will pay the price, we know their children (our children). They aren't some faceless person in a uniform. They are George, Nancy, Jose, Kareem, ourselves. But we are professionals. We are that kid you went to school with, the mechanic at your garage, your childs teacher. Too often we are not the children of the rich, but we proudly serve at your bidding. Our elected leaders have chosen the path and we now pick up our spears, battle axes and dressings and move to the din of battle. Some, perhaps many will die, but we will do our duty.

I love this country. Not just for the Sonoran Desert, Alaska's mountains, our cities and our people. But for the fact we were founded on, and have strived for 225 years to reach an unreachable ideal. That I owe my life to only those I choose to offer it to. That I can worship my pantheon and everyone can choose their religion (or no religion). That my life is worth no less than or more than any other persons life. That I can be sitting here at the brink of war and hear the voices of all. We don't have to toe the governments line. Just think of the wonder of the First Admendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievences." We are almost alone in the world to allow people to protest the current government the very day and on the very route that it was sworn into office. Hell, we were smart enough to admit we blew it in the XVIIIth admendment and got rid of it with the XXIst admendment. THAT is what our enemies fear. They can't allow a society where there is no correct religion or opinion. Like I said, we have our problems, by the goddesses and gods we argue, fuss and some how fix our problems. Then when we fix we one problem we go out looking for another problem. (Sometimes we fix them slowly and once with a great deal of blood.)

I trust to the gods that one day we will return to peace. Then we can get back to what we do best, argue among ourselves. There are other fine countries in the world, and their people are just as special as ours. But I won't apologize to anyone for the fact that the Norns placed me here. Jerry Falwell is my kin (whether he likes it our not), so are those who will support me in the days ahead, and equally so for those who don't understand me or even will curse me. Freya and Tyr have long been on my altar, but I hope to see the days when Frey and Iduna may recieve blessings as well.

To all- Luck in battle and strong hopes for a just peace.


As I Work Late Swing Shift, The Morning Of September 11th I... Sep 23rd. at 2:54:35 am UTC

Nighthawk (Cheney) Age: 26


As I work late swing shift, the morning of September 11th I was shocked awake by the shrilling of the telephone. My sister was calling telling me to turn on the TV, America is at war; the WTC and Pentagon have been attacked. At first I thought it was a joke- yeah right, sure... But the shock and fear in her voice woke me to the fact that something terrible was going on. Turning on the news, I sat numb for hours. Seeing the collapse of the WTC towers, I could almost feel the pain, fear, and sorrow within. The rest of the day I wandered about numbly. I felt a need to do "something" but was at a lost to what.

In the 11 days that have passed, my life has changed. As an Army Reservist, I am unsure to what my future holds. Will I be celebrating Samhain and Yule here in the US? Or will I be trying to celebrate them in the desert, at war? The hardest part for me now is not knowing. So, I plan for both eventualities- that I will be starting graduate school next week, or heading out for the middle east.

I am overwhelmed by the bloodshed brought about by people blinded by hatred and intolerance. And I fear the future blood that will soak into the ground in lands far away. As to whether I feel it is "right" and "just" to go to war with the Taliban and get bin Laden, my heart is torn two ways. I don't wish to see harm brought to those in Afghanistan who are innocents- and in war, civilian casualties always happen even if and when the militaries are being careful. But, on the other hand, we have almost 7, 000 dead and missing in the US. bin Laden and the Taliban are responsible. Do we not need to remove these people from power? Is that not justice? But, we cannot attack blindly. There needs to be a clear target and plan prior to any military action. Otherwise, we risk blindly killing, just as the terrorists have done to us. That is not justice. Blind hatred leads only to more hatred and violence.

Will I go if I am sent? Yes. Terrorism cannot be tolerated. But, I wonder what will be the cost in the end?


It Is Sad To Believe That Any Human Being(s) Could Do... Sep 23rd. at 4:23:54 am UTC

Jim (San Antonio, Texas US) Age: 29


It is sad to believe that any human being(s) could do this. It is sad to think that there are some in our world who believe their religion is right and in that religion they specifiy the attack on someone else "as right." This to me isn't religion, here I"m referring to the Islamic blend of religion those Terrorist adopted, but is mere brainwashing, hatemongering, and the religion of the devil. I think it is high time that our country take extra precaution to safeguard us, whether on planes, or in malls, security now seems to be the industry that needs money and effort dumped into...
Not the war industry.


I Really Sorry About All That Happened On 11th Of September. I... Sep 23rd. at 5:40:37 am UTC

Victory (N. Novgorod) Age: 16 - Email


I really sorry about all that happened on 11th of September. I wish I could help victims and their families. I am in shock. I hope that those who did it with America and American people will be punished. All those who have suffered that terrible day will always be in my heart and in my prayers. God Bless America!


Following Is A Message And An Appeal To All Wiccans,everywhere.i Would... Sep 23rd. at 8:48:42 am UTC

Wiccanbaron (Minneapolis, Minnesota US) Age: 51 - Email


Following is a message and an appeal to all Wiccans, everywhere.I would appreciate it if could be distributed/submitted throughout the webring for other Wiccans to read and, if inspired, to pass along.

Everyone is aware of the tragic events of 9/11/01.Of utmost concern to me regarding this, is that blind fear and hate will escalate this into madness.I am concerned that the leaders of the world, in blind fury, will be tempted to use weapons of mass destruction to obtain their aims.I am also concerned that on the local level, innocent people of the same faith as the terrorists are being targeted for hate crimes.

I'm sure I don't need to remind Wiccans what fear and hatred towards a select group of humanity can result in! Look to our own history!Also, this kind of hatred will only fuel the fire that is already calling some terrorist sympathisers to call for a holy war.Read the world's history.If this should result, it can not be won.It was tried centuries ago, and the Christians lost!

I am calling for all Wiccans, everywhere to unite in an effort to let cooler heads prevail.Of course, I do not believe that the acts of 9/11/01 should go unpunished.However, we must at all costs, not allow the escalation to take us beyond the brink of madness.I challenge all Wiccans to do as our fore fathers did in England to prevent Hitler's invasion across the Channel.All of us have some abilities.Some more than others.Let us pool our resources, great and small, even if you are only moved to light a candle. We must raise the vibrational frequency to stem the escalation now! Not only for the sake of all humanity, but for the sake of our Mother, Gaia.

BB
Wiccanbaron
e-ml wiccanbaron@talkcity.com


I Fear For The World, Because In Times Like These, We Do... Sep 23rd. at 10:08:36 am UTC

Lilith Kali (Pipe Creek, Texas US) Age: 17 - Email


I fear for the world, because in times like these, we do not know how to cope with these pains. We may believe we know, but in reality, it is unclear how to go about it. I feel that the USA should try to look beyond race, sex, national origin, religion, and anything else we could think of. We should only look at the fact that this crime is exactly that - a crime. And we should be trying to help each other live through the loss. There have been many hate crimes, not only in my town, but aall over the world. How do we expect to cope if we can't even get along?


I Have Been Shocked And Saddened, Like Countless Others, By The Horrible... Sep 23rd. at 10:39:27 am UTC

Morrigan (Ripley, Mississippi US) Age: 60


I have been shocked and saddened, like countless others, by the horrible act of terrorism
and the taking of innocent lives. My heart bleeds for those who have lost loved ones. At this time, more than any other, when we need words of healing and hope, I was stunned and dismayed to learn of the stand taken by the Christian leaders Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who have blamed the American people for this tragety. Once more, as has always been the case in times of disaster, blame has laid at the feet of the artists, writers, and members of the pagan community as well. I live in the Bible Belt, an ultra conservative area ruled by Christian fundalmentalist extremeists, and I am a writer. My neighbors and their church have persecuted me for my beliefs by harrassing
me with phone calls reminding me that I am going to hell and filling my email and postal mail boxes with religious tracts and prayer messages for the purpose of converting me to their way of thinking.

Sisters and brothers in the Craft, please remember me to the Goddess whose love and power we need more than ever to keep this nation strong and to heal the wounds inflicted in the name of religion.

Blessed be.
Morrigan


Just Wanted To Share These Thoughts With You All. If You Agree... Sep 23rd. at 2:21:35 pm UTC

Rae Lyn "Rainglory" (Hattiesburg, Mississippi US) Age: 25


Just wanted to share these thoughts with you all. If you agree, then raise your voices and spread the word. Let's let these terrorists know where we stand!

To the terrorists who organized the attack of September 11, 2001:

The terrible things you did to our great nation have backfired upon you. You have not succeeded! You have not made us afraid; you have made us more cautious. You have not divided us; you have brought us together. You have not weakened us; you have made us stronger.

We, the people of the United States, have bonded together in response to this great tragedy, becoming more united and thus stronger than ever. We have reached out our hands and our love to our neighbors. Our eyes have been opened, and now we see.

Our hearts are heavy for our losses, but we will not lay down for you! We will stand strong. We will stand united. And we will stand for America!


Tuesday Morning I Was In The Hospital Getting An Ekg Due To... Sep 23rd. at 6:22:50 pm UTC

Child of the Mother Goddess (Melly) (Newark, New Jersey US) Age: 17 - Email


Tuesday morning I was in the Hospital getting an Ekg due to chest pains, and then i heard that a plane had hit the WTC. I thought that it was joke that perhaps someone had misheard what happened. Then about 3 hours later the reality hit me. I didn't know what to say or do. I stood there looking out my window at what used to be the WTC in disbelief. I called the Salvation Army to see what I could do to help, but it turned out that they had more than enough volunteers. I remember being so scared. I barely slept that night. I live next to Newark Airport and for the first time in my life i truly feared for the life of my loved ones and myself. That night i grabbed my censer, my incensce oils, a green plant, my pentagram, some salt water, and a candle. I locked myself in my sisters bedroom, and for the first time since i got into Wicca i truly felt like i needed the god in my life. I always looked out to the goddess because i am a women, but at that moment i need both of their presences with me. I truly intiated myself, since i'm a solitary. I prayed to the Lady and the lord, and i asked for them to ride our world of hatred. As i prayed, i was overwhelmed by a rush of sadness. I realized for the first time that They couldn't control the stupidity of so many people. I understood ever so reluctantly that the god and goddess could only offer us comfort. i went to work the next day, and my boss, whom is Christian, said that God does things for a reason! I got up ans said NO!, God didn't do this some heartless bastard did! I don't understand why people blame their GOd for the evil in the world! God doesn't shoot people, people shoot people! It made me become even more intent in making a difference. Nowadays, a lot of peole just don't know the Value of life. I would also like to give my condolences to all of those who have lost a loved one in this tragic accident! May the lady and lord offer them comfort! I would also like to send a message of love to the Feri Wiccan who has past. May he have the ability in his next life to touch as many hearts as he did in this one!


I Was In The Shower When My Fiance Told Me That An... Sep 23rd. at 10:05:49 pm UTC

Glynas (Binghamton, New York US) Age: 25 - Email


I was in the shower when my fiance told me that an airplane hit the WTC. He ran in to tell me that another one hit the other building. "What is going on?" I kept thinking. I quickly dried myself and went to watch the horror unfold on the television.

As I sat there a knot slowly began to form in my stomach. I began to think of my fiance who is a member of the Army National Guard and my two eldest brothers who are both in the Army. What if they get called? I know that my brothers' will be involved in what ever retaliation by the US happens. All three of my brothers' were sent to the fighting during the Gulf War. It is a part of military life...to be called up and sent anywhere at anytime.

It is different this time...what if? "What if they call him?" I can't get that out of my head!! It makes me sick to think that my fiance, my soulmate, could be called to defend our borders or worse to actually be sent to Afghanistan? There is a very strong chance that his Guard Unit could be called to either place. I am so scared that it makes me sick to think or even talk about all that is going on. We have just begun our lives together! Our daughter, Rowan Maeve, was just born this past June and we are at this very moment moving into our first house. We are to be wed in July and I am supposed to be planning it. How can I when he could be called up at a moment's notice? How do I keep up a positive outlook when the world is in such sorrow? It is so hard to not get caught up in it.

What have we done as a people to deserve to die as all of those poor innocents? I am heartsick for all of the mother's, wive's, husband's, son's, daughter's, and other family of the missing. Being a new mother, I can and can't imagine what sorrow they must feel. I hold my baby girl and thank the Gods everyday for her and her father. How will they go on without their loved ones? How would I go on?

I have come to realize how precious time truely is. How precious every moment of everyday is. Every laugh, every arguement, every mundane conversation is precious. Do you think that the rest of the world has woken up to that? I know how cliche this sounds but it seems like something catastrophic has to occur before people finally do catch on. I hope that people have woken up and that they will take it upon themselves to use time to it's absolute fullest. May the Lady shine Her light to guide us through this dark time.


I Thought That I Would Post An Email That I Wrote To... Sep 24th. at 10:18:14 am UTC

Tia Marie Kitchen (Largo, Florida US) Age: 24 - Email


I thought that I would post an email that I wrote to teh president. I may forward this tot he St. Petersburg times as well:

Dear Mr. President,

I am writing to ask you a small question and favor. I know that you may not agree with my path of beliefs, but please do not judge me based upon them. I am a good person. I just happen to be pagan, that does not make me any less American. I have noticed that during all of the multi-cultural and multi-religious services, there were no pagan words of comfort. Why is this? Is it because none of our leaders were invited to speak? I feel as if I am part of a red-headed stepchild group that has been forgotten because our beliefs are not mainstream.

The favor I would like to ask of you is this: a little recognition, a little understanding and a little word of prayer for our fallen. Granted we are not a huge group, we are but small compared to the vast other groups. I would like to recommend to you that you check out the following website for some insight to our beliefs and thoughts: http://www.witchvox.com.

I thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I understand that you are a busy man, with many important decisions to make. I ask daily that you have the wisdom to get us through this situation. Blessed Be!


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