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Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election

This week's Pagan Perspective question is a redux of one that we asked about at the beginning of August... And we apologize in advance to our non-United States readers that we have again brought up an issue that is rather exclusive to just one country, but feel free to comment on the shenanigans of the American political system as you see it.) Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Have you made up your mind or changed your mind? Will you vote and who-if you don't mind telling the world-are you planning to vote for? Why have you made this particular choice?

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After Reading The Other Perspectives, Ti Saddens Me To Understand That People... Oct 27th. at 8:46:29 pm UTC

Sandra Rowland (Virginia Beach, Virginia US) Age: 19 - Email


After reading the other perspectives, ti saddens me to understand that people are basing their votes on a question that the magazine asked the canidates to be truthful about. Thay asked for George Bush's opinion and they got it. So he hates pagans and wiccians. So what? He can't revoke the military base policy on religion. First the supreme court has to revoke it as a valid religion and they won by a strong margin when it did go before the courts last time.
Will he make it easier on christian schools, hospitals and other christians organizations? Probably, but when was the last time you heard of a pagan school hospital or organization? Do you really think they'd stop one if it did come along? Maybe it would be harder but not impossible. Let these people do good things by educating children, saving lives and all this other stuff. If they want to do it in the name of christianity, fine. You don't have to contribute or participate.
This isn't a rally for Bush. I just wish they had other reasons (as in several) to vote for their choice in candiate.


Harry Browne Is My Candidate Of Choice... Oct 27th. at 9:04:38 pm UTC

Jennifer (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 29 - Email


Harry Browne is my candidate of choice.


Gore. I Actually "had The Chance" To Interview Him At Length When... Oct 27th. at 10:49:06 pm UTC

Z.Darcnuss (Boston, Massachusetts US) Age: 28


Gore. I actually "had the chance" to interview him at length when I was in high school. (Well before he was transplanted from the deep south to D.C.).
After that interview, I never thought I'd ever even consider him as a political candidate, but the fact is, to me he has become the lesser of two evils.
I find Bush's comments about Witches, Pagans and Wiccans, demoralizing and deliberately inflammatory. Gore's stand point isn't much better, his "freedom of religion doesn't have to mean freedom from religion" speech left a lot to desired, I thought. I am a strict separation of church & state kind of girl. Whether it is Christmas, Kwanzaa, or Samhain, I don't believe anyone should be made to participate in a spiritual event they don't believe in.


Bush Is Only Posturing When He Says He's A Christian. He Does... Oct 27th. at 11:14:48 pm UTC

Linda (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma US) Age: 46


Bush is only posturing when he says he's a Christian. He does it for votes. In the New Testatment, Jesus clearly says that the way you treat prisoners and the ill is they way you treat Jesus himself. So far Bush has executed more than 145 prisoners, more than any governor. The Republican governor in Illinois has susupended executions since findings have shown that one-third of all people on death row in his state may be innocent. After her execution, Bush made fun of Carla Fae Tucker, pursing his lips like a little girl and whining in a fake female voice, "Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me." No real Christian would kill then make fun of the killing. Unfortunately, Gore supports the death penalty also. Nadar is the only candidate that I know of that wants to suspend the death penalty. Nadar is the candidate I'm leaning toward, but I'd sure hate to see Bush win.


A Witch Friend Of Mine Who Lives In Tennessee Sent The Following... Oct 28th. at 6:30:29 am UTC

Raven (Johannesburg, South Africa) Age: 52 - Email


A Witch friend of mine who lives in Tennessee sent the following excerpt to me via email.
I, Raven, am a US Citizen currently residing in the Gauteng Province (between Pretoria and Johannesburg)of the Republic of South Africa. I am voting by absentee ballot for Gore.

She wrote:

>If that doesn't give you pause, maybe you should consider his {Bush's}
>promise
> to do for the United States what he has done for Texas. -
>
> -Dead last in state government spending per capita;
> -49th in state appropriations for the arts;
> -46th in maximum monthly welfare payments for needy families,
> regardless of size;
> -45th in percent of population graduating from high school;
> -9th in percent of children living in poverty;
> -5th in toxic chemicals released into the air;
> -2nd in prisoner incarceration rate.


I Am Not Saying It Was A Good Thing Or A Bad... Oct 28th. at 7:10:36 am UTC

Raven (Johannesburg, South Africa) Age: 52 - Email


I am not saying it was a good thing or a bad thing to close the military bases back in the 1980Õs and early 1990Õs. I really donÕt know enough about that, but when it comes to the hollow military promises by Bush, I know whose administration was responsible for the closures of so many bases. ThatÕs correct. Most of the closures occurred under the Reagan-Bush administration and then the Bush-Quayle one. Bush is just lying when he says he plans on aiding the military. What a bunch of hokum!

I was just thinking about how scary it will be if Bush tries (and perhaps succeeds) in abolishing the rights of Pagans and Witches. If he appoints his picks to the Supreme Court, we wonÕt have any place to take our grievances to before we are figuratively (and hopefully not literally) burned at the stake.


I Am Leaning Towards Al Gore, But I Don't Feel Totally Content... Oct 28th. at 11:37:50 am UTC

Sue (Manchester, Georgia US) Age: 41 - Email


I am leaning towards Al Gore, but I don't feel totally content with my choice. Environmental issues are obviously important to me. All the candidates have positive and negetive aspects. George W. scares me though. something just isn't kosher about this guy. (just a feeling)


Hopefully, Gore Will Be Elected. I Understand That There Was A Gasoline... Oct 28th. at 1:03:26 pm UTC

Raven (Johannesburg) Age: 52 - Email


Hopefully, Gore will be elected.
I understand that there was a gasoline and heating fuel crisis of some dimension in the USA (especially the Midwest) a month or so ago. Could this have possibly been manipulated by the Bush connections to make Gore look badly? A lot of people will vote their pocketbooks regardless of the candidate. Scary stuff, indeedÉ Here something to think about....
The following information (paraphrased) keeps cropping up in various reputable and informational journals. Kind of makes one wonder if ALL these journals can be wrong. It also gives one pause to wonder just who this Bush, Jr. is and to what kind of family he belongs. This is weirdly, scary stuff. I think Bush, Jr. should give up the run for the Presidency and start writing his autobiography for a horror genre movieÉ
Many members of the White House staff, including the then President George Bush Sr., signed waivers regarding their conflict of interest in waging war against a fellow business competitor, since they owned millions of dollars in oil company stock. A twentyish Bush Sr. got his start in the oil business with a million dollar gift from his father, Wall Street lawyer Prescott Bush (involved with a company busted for dealing with Nazis and violating the Trading With The Enemy Act during World War II), to start an offshore business named Zapata Oil (alleged in The Nation as Sr. Bush's first job as spy for the CIA, and a prelude to Sr. Bush's job as CIA director in the 1970s). A war would not only help eliminate a business competitor but would also drive up the price of American oil even though Arab oil accounts for a mere 3% of oil consumption in America. Allegedly, American troops were ordered to "defend" flaming Kuwaiti oil wells from American firefighters, apparently in order to drive up the price of oil thanks to news media coverage of the smoking environmental disaster. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney was worth approximately $40-million thanks to his ownership of oil stock. In 2000, during the presidential campaign of George Bush, Jr. and vice presidential nominee Dick Cheney, oil prices suddenly rose sky high. A criminal antitrust investigation by the Bill Clinton and Al Gore Justice Department resulted in an equally sudden drop in oil prices.
(When it comes to military employment, is father like son? Bush Jr. rarely showed up for work in his cushy Vietnam War job as stateside National Guard pilot. Bush Sr., allegedly shot down during battle, tells inconsistent stories as to why he survived and his crew did not. His apparent "memory loss" was reported by The Nation and many other publications, but never by the mainstream news media. If Bush Sr. really did almost become a POW, how did he have the heart, along with then President Ronald Reagan and Secretary of State James Baker, to allegedly turn down Vietnam's offer in 1981 to return their living POWs if paid the $3-billion in war reparations agreed to by corrupt then President Richard Nixon? Billionaire Reform Party candidate Ross Perot wrote that was why he ran against Bush Sr. for the presidency in 1988, sabotaging the Republican vote so Bill Clinton would win. As for Bush Jr.'s arrest for cocaine use, perhaps he takes after then Vice President Bush Sr. arrest for DUI-- along with one of his mistresses -- after a car crash, according to former first lady Nancy Reagan. Reagan [Nancy] hated Bush Sr. for running against her husband and then within one year taking control of the presidency after her husband was shot by an assassin Š AN ASSASSIN WHOÕS BROTHER WAS DUE TO HAVE DINNER WITH A SON OF BUSH SR., not Bush, Jr., but Neil Bush of the billion-dollar Silverado Savings and Loan bankruptcy infamy.


Gore Is Clearly The Better Man. I've Wanted To Vote For Gore... Oct 28th. at 3:38:49 pm UTC

Eli (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) Age: 18


Gore is clearly the better man. I've wanted to vote for Gore since Clinton got elected the first time in '92, and I'm just disappointed he couldn't run with Hillary as his Veep. Gore has a quarter century of political experience in Washington, and has spent the last eight years as the most active and influential Vice President in remember history. He has done the job and now he deserves our votes. He trusts us and supports us, while George W. wants to take away the rights and money of everyone except the wealthy white Christian folks, who he would try to give total run of this nation too. You can see it in his smile, he's the devil (not literally, but a close enough mortal faximile). Even if you don't think Gore should be President, those of you who aren't white, wealthy, and conservative Christian men should be voting for Gore just to keep that hate-filled man Bush out of the most powerful office in the world. There are even interests in Europe, China, Russia, the U.N., and NATO among others that don't want him elected because of his stands on the issues. His actions could single-handedly cripple the NATO Alliance, threaten the establishment of democracy in Kosovo, and put as at odds with the rest of the world because he plans to rush ahead with the development of a Ballistic Missile Defense that if not handled with utmost care over the next few years could create paranoia about our nation throughout both hemispheres and ultimately probably lead to the total abandonment of the program. Think about it.

P.S. -- The GOP are now advertising for Ralp Nader, so obviously a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.


George W. Bush Is Nothing But A Dim-witted (and Possibly Drug-addicted)pawn... Oct 28th. at 6:16:10 pm UTC

Amethyst (Lynnwood, Washington US) Age: 42 - Email


George W. Bush is nothing but a dim-witted (and possibly drug-addicted)pawn of a wealthy conservative Christian movement that wants the rest of us to just shut up. Strangely enough, today on Fox News he looked like death and barely blinked. I suspect more is going on than meets the eye.
Al Gore is smart, experienced, visionary, virile, healthy, and his book Earth In The Balance is suspiciously Pagan. We should use our prayers and magick to win this election for him!


Yes, I Plan On Voting This Year, And I Plan On Voting... Oct 28th. at 8:00:52 pm UTC

Lizzie (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 29


Yes, I plan on voting this year, and I plan on voting for Harry Browne, as he is the only candidate who truly stands up for our Civil Right and Civil Liberties. Unfortunately, participation in the Presidential election is a waste of time and will be until such time as the President is elected by popular vote instead of by the Electoral College.


Note: Posts That Contain Personal Attacks (and Related Threads That Follow) Will... Oct 28th. at 9:27:45 pm UTC

Fritz Jung (Clearwater, Florida US) Age: 47 - Email


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