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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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092601hailsa,i Got This From A Friend Of Mine Which I'm... Sep 26th. at 5:13:59 am UTC

OnlyLove (Salt Lake City, Utah US) Age: 21


092601

Hailsa,
I got this from a friend of mine which I'm sure she also got this a friend of hers.

The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
119 is the area code of Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like number 11
First plane to hit the towers was Flight 11
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union
New York City - 11 Letters
Afghanistan - 11 Letters
The Pentagon - 11 Letters
Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters
(convicted or orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993)
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11
And on September 11, 1941, groundbreaking & construction of the Pentagon began.

Love & Light,
OnlyLove


September 18, 2001 I Forgot To Be Sad Todayand For The... Sep 25th. at 9:01:04 pm UTC

Lorri Shannon (Columbia, South Carolina US) Age: 25 - Email


September 18, 2001

I forgot to be sad today
And for the first time in a week
Life was normal once again
Birds sang and the sun shined
A gentle breeze blew soft kisses across my face
I saw happiness in a child's eyes
I forgot to watch the news
I forgot the images on the screen
The buildings collapsing
The smoke billowing
The desparation in the faces of friends and family
With pictures of their missing loved ones
Thrust into cameras and taped to their shirts
The tears and the destruction
I forgot it all and just for a moment
My world was safe again
My world was safe


Poem By Spiritwalker Purity Of Spirit... Dances Around The Silvermoon.. Darkness Blankets... Sep 25th. at 8:07:28 pm UTC

SPIRITWALKER (panama city beach, Florida US) Age: 48 - Email


POEM BY SPIRITWALKER Purity of spirit... Dances around the silvermoon.. Darkness blankets her with heavenly angels Cries to the stars... Answer me one thing she begs... Faith, Hope, Charity... Doesnt clamour at the doors... Rarely hearing, whispers of angels anymore... Perception, grounding, done in silence, alone in darkness... Resess of night... Rain started to pour down, relentlessly... Boasting it's power with thunder and lighting... Maybe if it were daybreak... Rain would wash the world...

A Rainbow, perhaps would appear... A sign of Faith, hope, charity... This soul, others could live in peace... Angel whispers... Appreciate the difference in one another...

A Rainbow has many colours... IN LOVE AND LIGHT SPIRITWALKER

Many Blessings!!!


It Was A Slow Day At The Office On Tuesday Morning. I... Sep 25th. at 4:35:20 pm UTC

Okami Myrrhibis (Woodbridge) Age: 27 - Email


It was a slow day at the office on Tuesday morning. I was playing in a gin tourny...I was doing well... Then I saw a bunch of people gathering. I asked what happened - "Something, a small plane hit the WTC"...oook - sadly, I must confess I didn't think much of it. Then, I heard the "Oh my God"s - the second plane had hit. I got up, and watched. I lost the match, and went back to watching - just in time to see the first building fall, and the scenes of the Pentagon in flames. I thought "Great Goddess - all those people!" Then I saw the second one fall.... I support the Air Force, and work in Rosslyn VA - all of a few miles and minutes from the Pentagon - some of the buildings can see it, and saw the smoke rising. I was numb. There was nothing I could do, and we were not getting any guidance from mgmt, so I went back on the computer.

Of all things, my SISTER called me to make sure I was OK, and if I was heading home, because roads were starting to be closed. We don't talk, haven't ever been close - that's when I got scared. Then I found out that a co-worker who I am friends with had a father at the Pentagon. Luckily, he was ok - if the plane had hit higher on that wall, it would have plowed across the inner courtyard - and into him. During the weekend, I found out that a recent acquaintance works right at the impact site...if he had not been making a delivery across the street, he would have been there. He got to see the plane hit, and many of his co-workers died or were seriously hurt.

I have been fortunate - noone I know was hurt, either in NYC, the Pentagon, or the planes. But I feel sorrow for those who have lost someone they love or knew.

I know that we must strike back; my only fear is that we will strike at the wrong targets. That innocents who have committed no wrong save to be citizens in a troubled country will pay for the evils of its unwanted & unloved leaders, and a madman(men). That those who are simply descended from another place, or believe differently, will be targeted, as they already have.

I fear that if we go to war, as it seems we must, that my husband comes back safely. He is not active duty, but he is ex-spec ops, and has been in that part of the world before. He has said that he joined to protect this country, and that if called, he will do so again. It never seemed like much about his military past, except it shaped some of his attitudes/opinions/actions - but now, it is scary. And yet, I am proud.

May the Gods Bless America - may we continue to be one nation under Them.


How Obvious! If The World Could Have Only Started Living By The... Sep 25th. at 1:15:29 pm UTC

Feather (Bethlehem, Pennsylvania US) Age: 34 - Email


How obvious! If the world could have only started living by the Wiccan Rede, we'd not be in this terrible mess. But I guess I'm dreaming. Maybe from here on out? It's great to have this site; I'm on it every day! Blessed be!!


On Tuesdays, My First Class Is At Noon, So I Usually Wake... Sep 25th. at 1:37:53 am UTC

daea (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 22 - Email


On Tuesdays, my first class is at noon, so I usually wake up around 10. My boyfriend had been visiting me, and his friend called around 9:30, telling him about planes hitting the World Trade Centers and that he should turn on the news. He climbed out of bed and turned on the TV, then came back and told me to come watch the news. There were two thoughts running through my head as I watched events unfold. First, I kept hoping that he would wake me up soon, because I was obviously having a bad dream. Second, I kept thinking that I'd seen this before... in some movie. The image of people sprinting down the street as the second tower collapsed called up memories of disaster movies. However, the image that stuck in my mind the most is the people hanging out the windows of the top stories.
I have a book that I love dearly called "The Seventy Wonders of the Ancient World". The very first wonder described in the books is the pyramids of Giza. My friend has always believed that I possess some sort of psychic gift, given my ability to sense chi. When I opened the book Tuesday afternoon, to the first page about the pyramids, I had some sort of flash. I saw Mohammed Atta, one of the suspects, and I believe he IS Egyptian. I saw the exact picture that has been circulating on the news circuit. (On a lighter note, I literally fell off my couch when I saw his picture on TV.) Now this may sound strange, but I want to ask anyone out there with a psychic gift to use it. What you see may help us.
The first thought I had when I heard that the suspects were "Islamic" extremists resembled: "oh crap, all the brown people in this country are going to have to go into hiding." All I wished for was something to prove me wrong.
I have been a Buddhist longer than I have been a Pagan, and as such, I see the Dalai Lama as one of my spiritual leaders. He has written a letter to our president, which you can find at http://www.tibet.com/NewsRoom/hhdl-letter.htm if you're interested. I will quote part of what he said, because it sums what I believe and he is more eloquent than I.
"...we need to think seriously whether a violent action is the right thing to do and in the greater interest of the nation and people in the long run. I believe violence will only increase the cycle of violence. But how do we deal with hatred and anger, which are often the root causes of such senseless violence? This is a very difficult question, especially when it concerns a nation and we have certain fixed conceptions of how to deal with such attacks."
I hope that our military will have good aim, and avoid hitting civilians and those not involved.
Just remember, for those of us who believe in reincarnation: the people who did this are screwed in their next lives. The universe does better justice than people could ever dream of.
The only thing I've ever truly prayed for, my entire life, was compassion. I prayed that the world would be infused with it, and it would be a better place. I have prayed for this since the second I became Buddhist. Please join me in this prayer.


I Thought That I Would Post An Email That I Wrote To... Sep 24th. at 10:18:14 am UTC

Tia Marie Kitchen (Largo, Florida US) Age: 24 - Email


I thought that I would post an email that I wrote to teh president. I may forward this tot he St. Petersburg times as well:

Dear Mr. President,

I am writing to ask you a small question and favor. I know that you may not agree with my path of beliefs, but please do not judge me based upon them. I am a good person. I just happen to be pagan, that does not make me any less American. I have noticed that during all of the multi-cultural and multi-religious services, there were no pagan words of comfort. Why is this? Is it because none of our leaders were invited to speak? I feel as if I am part of a red-headed stepchild group that has been forgotten because our beliefs are not mainstream.

The favor I would like to ask of you is this: a little recognition, a little understanding and a little word of prayer for our fallen. Granted we are not a huge group, we are but small compared to the vast other groups. I would like to recommend to you that you check out the following website for some insight to our beliefs and thoughts: http://www.witchvox.com.

I thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I understand that you are a busy man, with many important decisions to make. I ask daily that you have the wisdom to get us through this situation. Blessed Be!


I Was In The Shower When My Fiance Told Me That An... Sep 23rd. at 10:05:49 pm UTC

Glynas (Binghamton, New York US) Age: 25 - Email


I was in the shower when my fiance told me that an airplane hit the WTC. He ran in to tell me that another one hit the other building. "What is going on?" I kept thinking. I quickly dried myself and went to watch the horror unfold on the television.

As I sat there a knot slowly began to form in my stomach. I began to think of my fiance who is a member of the Army National Guard and my two eldest brothers who are both in the Army. What if they get called? I know that my brothers' will be involved in what ever retaliation by the US happens. All three of my brothers' were sent to the fighting during the Gulf War. It is a part of military life...to be called up and sent anywhere at anytime.

It is different this time...what if? "What if they call him?" I can't get that out of my head!! It makes me sick to think that my fiance, my soulmate, could be called to defend our borders or worse to actually be sent to Afghanistan? There is a very strong chance that his Guard Unit could be called to either place. I am so scared that it makes me sick to think or even talk about all that is going on. We have just begun our lives together! Our daughter, Rowan Maeve, was just born this past June and we are at this very moment moving into our first house. We are to be wed in July and I am supposed to be planning it. How can I when he could be called up at a moment's notice? How do I keep up a positive outlook when the world is in such sorrow? It is so hard to not get caught up in it.

What have we done as a people to deserve to die as all of those poor innocents? I am heartsick for all of the mother's, wive's, husband's, son's, daughter's, and other family of the missing. Being a new mother, I can and can't imagine what sorrow they must feel. I hold my baby girl and thank the Gods everyday for her and her father. How will they go on without their loved ones? How would I go on?

I have come to realize how precious time truely is. How precious every moment of everyday is. Every laugh, every arguement, every mundane conversation is precious. Do you think that the rest of the world has woken up to that? I know how cliche this sounds but it seems like something catastrophic has to occur before people finally do catch on. I hope that people have woken up and that they will take it upon themselves to use time to it's absolute fullest. May the Lady shine Her light to guide us through this dark time.


Tuesday Morning I Was In The Hospital Getting An Ekg Due To... Sep 23rd. at 6:22:50 pm UTC

Child of the Mother Goddess (Melly) (Newark, New Jersey US) Age: 17 - Email


Tuesday morning I was in the Hospital getting an Ekg due to chest pains, and then i heard that a plane had hit the WTC. I thought that it was joke that perhaps someone had misheard what happened. Then about 3 hours later the reality hit me. I didn't know what to say or do. I stood there looking out my window at what used to be the WTC in disbelief. I called the Salvation Army to see what I could do to help, but it turned out that they had more than enough volunteers. I remember being so scared. I barely slept that night. I live next to Newark Airport and for the first time in my life i truly feared for the life of my loved ones and myself. That night i grabbed my censer, my incensce oils, a green plant, my pentagram, some salt water, and a candle. I locked myself in my sisters bedroom, and for the first time since i got into Wicca i truly felt like i needed the god in my life. I always looked out to the goddess because i am a women, but at that moment i need both of their presences with me. I truly intiated myself, since i'm a solitary. I prayed to the Lady and the lord, and i asked for them to ride our world of hatred. As i prayed, i was overwhelmed by a rush of sadness. I realized for the first time that They couldn't control the stupidity of so many people. I understood ever so reluctantly that the god and goddess could only offer us comfort. i went to work the next day, and my boss, whom is Christian, said that God does things for a reason! I got up ans said NO!, God didn't do this some heartless bastard did! I don't understand why people blame their GOd for the evil in the world! God doesn't shoot people, people shoot people! It made me become even more intent in making a difference. Nowadays, a lot of peole just don't know the Value of life. I would also like to give my condolences to all of those who have lost a loved one in this tragic accident! May the lady and lord offer them comfort! I would also like to send a message of love to the Feri Wiccan who has past. May he have the ability in his next life to touch as many hearts as he did in this one!


Just Wanted To Share These Thoughts With You All. If You Agree... Sep 23rd. at 2:21:35 pm UTC

Rae Lyn "Rainglory" (Hattiesburg, Mississippi US) Age: 25


Just wanted to share these thoughts with you all. If you agree, then raise your voices and spread the word. Let's let these terrorists know where we stand!

To the terrorists who organized the attack of September 11, 2001:

The terrible things you did to our great nation have backfired upon you. You have not succeeded! You have not made us afraid; you have made us more cautious. You have not divided us; you have brought us together. You have not weakened us; you have made us stronger.

We, the people of the United States, have bonded together in response to this great tragedy, becoming more united and thus stronger than ever. We have reached out our hands and our love to our neighbors. Our eyes have been opened, and now we see.

Our hearts are heavy for our losses, but we will not lay down for you! We will stand strong. We will stand united. And we will stand for America!


I Have Been Shocked And Saddened, Like Countless Others, By The Horrible... Sep 23rd. at 10:39:27 am UTC

Morrigan (Ripley, Mississippi US) Age: 60


I have been shocked and saddened, like countless others, by the horrible act of terrorism
and the taking of innocent lives. My heart bleeds for those who have lost loved ones. At this time, more than any other, when we need words of healing and hope, I was stunned and dismayed to learn of the stand taken by the Christian leaders Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who have blamed the American people for this tragety. Once more, as has always been the case in times of disaster, blame has laid at the feet of the artists, writers, and members of the pagan community as well. I live in the Bible Belt, an ultra conservative area ruled by Christian fundalmentalist extremeists, and I am a writer. My neighbors and their church have persecuted me for my beliefs by harrassing
me with phone calls reminding me that I am going to hell and filling my email and postal mail boxes with religious tracts and prayer messages for the purpose of converting me to their way of thinking.

Sisters and brothers in the Craft, please remember me to the Goddess whose love and power we need more than ever to keep this nation strong and to heal the wounds inflicted in the name of religion.

Blessed be.
Morrigan


I Fear For The World, Because In Times Like These, We Do... Sep 23rd. at 10:08:36 am UTC

Lilith Kali (Pipe Creek, Texas US) Age: 17 - Email


I fear for the world, because in times like these, we do not know how to cope with these pains. We may believe we know, but in reality, it is unclear how to go about it. I feel that the USA should try to look beyond race, sex, national origin, religion, and anything else we could think of. We should only look at the fact that this crime is exactly that - a crime. And we should be trying to help each other live through the loss. There have been many hate crimes, not only in my town, but aall over the world. How do we expect to cope if we can't even get along?


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