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Question of the Week: 84 - 11/10/2002

Between the Veils: What Did You See?

In the times of the thinning veils, did you look into the past or the future? What did you see?

What forms of divination do you use? Do you have an unusual technique that you would like to tell us about?

Have you had some (or all) of the things that you divined in the past come true? What is the most profound insight that you gained through divination? Do you think that the future is fixed or can it be changed?

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Wrinkle In Time Nov 16th. at 9:04:40 am UTC

Siara (Annapolis, MD, USA) Age: 41 - Email


This Samhain my niece came up to me with a flower and said she wished it could last forever. She didn't realize she was standing right under a framed, pressed flower that was sitting on the mantle. The flowers were identical in species, size and color. The framed flower had been pressed by my grandmother when she was a girl ~ 100 years ago.

I took the pressed flower off the mantle and explained who had made it and how old it was. I then showed her how to press her flower to make it last (in a heavy book). I am looking for a frame that is similar to my grandmother's frame.

I wondered if, 100 years from now, HER great-granddaughter would press a flower. The experience reminded me that time is not linear and some things are more powerful than time.


Correspondence From The Other Side. Nov 16th. at 5:21:04 am UTC

BearMother (KS) Age: 31 - Email


after three weeks of being followed around by Grandma Fleeta, I got an email from her son, my estranged father. It had been years since we last spoke, but Fleeta had given me a 'heads up' about his correspondence and reminded me that his problems were not mine. {I responded to let him know that the fam and I were ok, and that all past harms, (real or perceived) had been forgiven.} She had died of breast cancer when I was a little kid, so I never really knew her. The most resounding impression I got from her was to be weary of denying myself the simple joys, or my body could turn on me too. My only real memory of her was an event that Mom relayed, as soon after my birth, Fleeta insisted on stripping me and looked for birthmarks. Mother was afraid of Fleeta and remembers only the fuss Grandma had made over getting the kitchen warmed up before making my 'inspection'.


Totally Awesome... Nov 15th. at 4:25:16 pm UTC

moonwind (indiana) Age: 39 - Email


My father slipped to the otherside on nov. 1 at 12:25a.m. a couple of weeks ago and it was the most spiritual and faith affirming gift i have ever had.He was in much pain for a short time and knew he was dying,i refused to accept and told him i was scared,he told me not to be..I lost my mother 9 yrs ago before i found my wiccan path and didnt handle her death well at all.As my dad lay in the hospital bed hurting,slipping in and out of conscience,and sick he held my hand .I cried for my mother to find him and help him,at that moment the wind blew through the willows outside his window then the t.v. stand swayed and I knew my mom had come..I felt love and peace and calmness like never before..She had found my dad and was taking him home!!That night my baby brother came in from out of state to visit my dad and when he came he held my dads hand and cried and told him to go,it was alright ,he could go..then my dads heart slowly stopped beating and within 10 minutes he was gone..The nurses freaked,they said they couldnt believe he waited for my brother to come to let go..as we were in the parking lot getting ready to go home the willows softly blew and i totally felt my mom and dad with me and I felt peace..I miss my father all the time,he had spent the last year living with me but I have no doubt he is totally in my moms care and everthing is excellant..Thanks for letting me share.Peace and love.. gentle breezes,Karen


To Caitanya Darshan Nov 15th. at 2:25:58 pm UTC

lilith (la ciudad de nuestra senora de los angeles) Age: 33 - Email


i thought a lot about yr post and the troublesomeness of the dead. the dead have never particularly bothered me, though i have had to be firm on occasion and say No, you cannot do that any more, you are done, yr time is done, etc. depending on the circumstances of course, since if i know the dead its different from the occasional strangers i've had dealings with.

since no one told you about yr father maybe he just wanted to make sure you really knew for sure that he is gone. i think it must be just as murky on their side at times, trying to make contact with us, as it is for us on this side making contact with them. yr never quite sure if the message got through.

anyway, thought i would respond here in the forum. my family has all kinds of ghost stories, my favorite one being of a distant cousin who died and then set his chair to rocking when part of the family that had gone out of their way to steal his property and hurt his children moved into the house, and it didnt stop rocking no matter what they did so they left. i assume the chair stopped after that. the dead can be upsetting, but they are cool, and sometimes they just need to make a point. thats my opinion.


This Year Was Pretty Special. Nov 15th. at 12:25:01 pm UTC

Anneka (Nevada, USA) Age: 24 - Email


I got married on Samhain this year. My grandfather had died about a week before, and I never got to spend much time with him while he lived, but I was lucky enough to share my wedding with him through the veil. Reminds me how much the little things in life mean.
Anneka


Sigh..The World Keeps Turning But Nothing Ever Changes...... Nov 15th. at 11:52:31 am UTC

GrayWolf (canada) Age: 49 - Email


As for the Idiot:
Wow a real rabid Grungie-Bunnie, Danielle must be pitied for the total idiocy of its beliefs.
But it shows that nothing much has changed from the 50.

As for the real question:
Much and nothing, visions of old, long departed friends drifted up in the trance state.
Once again reminding me of my mortality, and the short span allotted on this plane.

The time here is to brief to spend it arguing and quarrelling.

Whatever path you choose is right for you, no matter what anyone else says.

Blessed Be.


Did The Dead Wake? Nov 15th. at 11:47:25 am UTC

Katherine Rhys (IL) Age: 20 - Email


My best friend and I held a 'candlelit ghost walk' (a la 'Ghosts of Gettysburg')at the college where I attend on Samhain. We told stories and had a good time. Afterwards, however, was when the fun began. We went out to some local "haunted sites" and got took some photographs and basically felt around. I'm sensitive to, well for lack of a better word, ghosts, and not only did I see some interesting phenomena, we got some excellent pics of both orbs and ectoplasm. And it didn't stop on Samhain. The entire weekend was bursting with spirit energy. It was exciting and wonderful to experience.

As a note to Danielle (everyone else is putting in their two cents, so why not me): If you're going to talk about the *faeries*, as if you are an expert, use the names by which they were known rather than the generic term faeries. The most well known proper names are: in Wales, the Tylwyth Teg; and in Ireland, the Daoine Sidhe or Tuatha De Dannan. And, as in most ancient cultures (you didn't mention if there was any particular regional belief structure you're focusing on, by the way), they could be either benevolent or malevloent (the Scots terms Seelie and Unseelie differentiated, read Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer to best illustrate the differences). Stories are told of the Sidhe interbreeding with humans, producing children with characteristics of both. Also, the Sidhe did not ride *with* the Wild Hunt, they *were* the Wild Hunt, led by various individuals, depending on the county and region (the most popular being Herne the Hunter) And lastly, when you compare deities, credibility is far more advanced if you use the same amount of apples vs. oranges. In one of your examples, you used five different names for the major goddess, and only three of so-called minor godesses (of which you used two from the same traditon, and the third matched none of the traditions of your *major* names.) Not only did you contradict yourself, you did so badly, which is doubly unforgivably. Be a so-called REAL WITCH if you wish... but leave intelligent argument to the scholars.

Ok, I've had my rant, and my pedantic attention to detail (being a history major does that to a person, sorry). Bigotry does not stand well with me, but bigotry and stupidity combined are even worse. Faith bashing is a sign of a closed mind. Remember what Serendipity (the Muse) said in DOGMA- "It doesn't matter what you have faith in, just so long as you have faith."


Havent Had Too Many Experiences Of Divination. Nov 15th. at 7:43:22 am UTC

Bignastydragon (NW England) Age: 18 - Email


i agree with Zoe, just gotta be said there.
most of my visions through the veil so far have been concentrated on the past. Most of my divinations either havent come true yet or wont come true, it matters not, with each one i gain experience and can divine easier. i mostly use my runes for this, and am trying to find out as much about runes as possible and use intuition to find the relevant info.
the future is already decided, we cannot change it, yet the only way we can know what it is, is through divination, which is often ambiguous, thats my opinion anyway.


Extended Samhain Nov 15th. at 12:44:27 am UTC

Katie Collins (St. Louis, MO) Age: 23 - Email


For me, Samhain practically started days before the 31st(the 28th perhaps), and it wound down to a close by the 2nd. I didn't use tarot or crystal ball. I didn't scry. I didn't use runes. My visions and dreams sometimes run together. Other times not of course, that only seems logical, but anyways.

The Vision (2):

A middle-aged man of dirty blondish hair trained an army of men who wore black and whose faces were painted white and black around the eyes nose and mouth, depicting themselves as the dead. They moved from building to building in metropolitan areas, taking out unsuspecting victims left and right. I had a feeling there could be an attack on Samhain when I saw this.

Somewhere in a cafe late at night, over some coffee and cigarettes, two older men talked about things which used to be and things that were no longer. They conversed on into the night about how killings of that nature used to go on with guns and drugs, or for guns and drugs, but also for money. And now, one man mentioned, "its done out of sheer joy." Somewhere it was cold and rainy outside the window of the cafe where two middle-aged men shared a conversation about assassins.

The Dream:
It came through very strangely, like a continuation of a vision I had had of assassins whose faces were painted to resemble the dead. Everywhere I went were the dead folk. In office buildings to cemetaries, but were not as zombies. They just were as ghosts exist. And it was as if they were everywhere I went too. I saw so many of them, and I remember talking with them but I don't remember what was said.

Another Vision, this was more like a descent across the veil and into the otherworld. It was very real as if I was there.. because I was. It was an Astral journey.

Everything was heavy as I lay quietly. I moved heavily among others, and slowly became very small. The blades of grass towered over me. Humans were like giants. I flew off of this world and to another. In deep space, I came to a place of the brightest green grass and bluest skies. To a castle I came. It was deep in a forest and it almost spiralled with wonder. A king I came to, with white hair and a great love in his heart. He said most of his subjects were winged. They carried messages across the worlds. He had wanted me there for a job. I was supposed to look over the maps and familiarize myself with the kingdom because a thief was afoot who must not be allowed to escape.

I shot over to a pass leading outside the kingdom, a hidden one, where I came across one unwinged one who was very learned of his surroundings. I hadn't seen him in a long time. And as we came close, he held me close in his arms. I don't remember his name, but I knew what he was to me.

The king had a daughter, who he would eventually hand the kingdom down to, but she was incapable of defending it on her own, so his doubts rooted there. The youth had wings, the elders did not. They were a type of winged-elf or faerie, I am not quite sure. The king, his name began with an A. I do not remember it.

Reading the map revealed in the center of the courtyard a great fountain. On either side the royalty sat for feasts and occasions. Their thrones were very ornately detailed. There were four main stations surrounding the great fountain. They were like ballista or watch towers. I started to see it drift from my view, the castle, and then all i could see was the planet in the stars. And somehow I was thrust back there where I later noticed a gate that led to the hidden pass, through a garden.

That was my Samhain.


Sight Nov 14th. at 11:55:13 pm UTC

Appleluna (Palm Desert,CA USA) Age: 27 - Email


I have learned many forms of divination. When I was first introduced to the Caft and magick in general I was always diving to see the past. I wanted to know about my past lives and past in this life. Now ten years later I focus more on the future. I have had much success with scrying. Even looking in to flames i can see the pictures, the silent movie sort of speak. I have made some very wise decisions by consulting the runes or tarot, by listening and accepting the message given. I believe we all have a destiny but we have different paths we may take in order to arrive there.


Slightly Scary Definatly Hairy Nov 14th. at 10:47:12 pm UTC

Caitanya Darshan (Fairburn GA) Age: 28 - Email


Most often it has been in sleep that the viel has been thinest for me. A woman once told me that I was projecting in some of my dreams and that that kind of dream walking without training or intence pactice was dangerious. Hey I am just glad that it still happens at all, and that when I chose to assert myself I know that I can and am strong enough to do so.
One of the dreams was about my former familiar. I have dreamed several times of her and there she is perfect healthy and fine, haveing kittens of all things. I know that it sort of isn't a dream and that she is there haveing little witch kittens in the realm that she is in. I guess they get thier insides back after getting fixed and going there. Of corse seeing that girl who
looked remarkably like I might have if I was tall and thinner and had dark hair.....Daughter? Pretty to think so.
Like the one I woke from this morning. Just a big lovable dog that looked something like a wolf with silken hair. I knew his name in the dream but couldn't remember it untill I woke ....Never had a animal like that before as a pet am not sure now if I would like it or not.
The odd dreams like drowning baby rats that I somehow want to save and do and snakes trying to strike me. I just let that go. May mean something may be a metafor and I know that my brain dumped tons of horrific stuff after watching Saving Private Ryan the other night. Gross.

I have dreampt about people that I don't know Like tha blue Haired Chick at Dragon Con that I saw and never spoke to and she and I both seamed to recognize each other and still didn't speak in the dream. Next year I am saying hello just to see what happens.
The most desterbing thing happened last year; it was something from the other side of the viel, that only my familiars could protect me from.
When my father died this summer I knew it and though noone ever called to let me know that he was gone I still knew. and did nothing untill the pantry door open again and again by its self untill I told it to get out. Dead people can be such a pain.

Thoughts?
Blessed Be )0(

Caitanya Darshan


Touched In The Most Interesting Way!!! Nov 14th. at 10:36:13 pm UTC

Aeval (Michigan) Age: 45 - Email


Merry Meet! I am Aeval from Michigan. The first week of October, I had gone out to Riverside, CA to visit with my sister.We had planned a sort of "spooky", fun, halloween ( Samhain for me) themed week. Every night we visited the local cemetary, hoping to make contact with some of those interred there.Not only did the digital photos show lots of orbs, but the tape recordings include the voices, however faint, of the spirits.

One thing in particular that sticks in my mind, is headstone of a small child that we were standing at, and admiring his picture. Suddenly, I picked up the very strong aroma of men's cologne. It had a real "green" smell to it.We asked if the smell was connected to the small boy, my sister thought maybe he liked to wear his dad's cologne or something.Later, on the tape, we hearda voice say "it's not my name". The smell came and went a couple times, then followed us back to the car. I said " You cannot come home with us".

A couple of weeks after returning home, I smelled the cologne again while I was in my room. It's happened twice now. I don't think the spirit is a malevolent one, just lonely.


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