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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Admit I'm Disturbed Slightly, I Do Not Agree With Everything The... Aug 9th. at 9:11:53 am UTC

Caliana Moonstone (Castle Rock, Colorado US) Age: 22 - Email


I admit I'm disturbed slightly, I do not agree with everything the Democrats and the current canidate Al Gore believe in, however they are much less likely to bring the radical christian right into power than Bush who has the full backing on the Christian Coalition. So far however, this board seems to be split right down the middle between those who want religious freedom/the freedom of choice, and those who want less government involvement in their lives. I admit the concept of less taxes is appealing but in the long run I'd rather have my freedom to be myself without hiding, I am openly Pagan and a local activist so if the hammer drops it is me and those like me (Wren and Frtiz for example) the ones that do not hide their beliefs that will be harmed first. If Paganism id determined by the Supreme Court to not be a religion and thus not awarded first amendment protection we can be openly presecuted, our tax exempt groups disbanded, even our expression limited in forums like this. Yes the republican platform will give us more freedom to bear arms (machine guns of the street again, joy) and more freedom to pay for our own health care, and more freedom to the big companies to pollute, but honestly I think they should be more important than the environment and the health of all people (especially children). I believe that under Gore we will no doubt be as we have been for the past eight years, economically stable, perhaps a little cleaner, and free to do and believe what we want under the protection of the law. The Pagan community has made great strides in visibility and acceptance in that time, and all that will be lost if we all go into hiding again, which we all would if things started getting ugly. Think of a world without communication with your fellow Pagans beyond your group, no large festivals, and no internet community, I don't want to live in that world again, but that is what I expect to happen in the Christian Right controls this country. Compasitive conservative or not it is Bush who has challenged the seperation of church and state repeatedly in Texas, and it is he who the Christian Right is actively (but very quietly) supporting (they know people don't like them and might avoid voting for their candidate so they are not pressing the issue). I believe Lieberman's religion will be an issue in the media because he is a minority, but if Gore/Lieberman focus on religion it will be to counter the attempts by Bush to corner the center of morality, Bush is trying to appear open-minded and Gore will try and appear above moral reproach, neither is true but I'd rather go with the open-minded liberal than the conservative Christian republican. I'm voting for Gore!

Love and Light


I Wish I Would Have Mentioned This In My 1st Post And... Aug 9th. at 7:41:33 am UTC

Holda Amber Busch (Shawnee, Oklahoma US) Age: 29


I wish I would have mentioned this in my 1st post and I know this does not have to do necessarily with the questions presented directly, but...Did anyone else listen to National Public Radio this morning 08/09/00? A piece was done on the antics of the Reform Party(s). The reform party started to get real serious back in the early 90's. It was starting to gain political momentum and had in the distant future threatened the so far "two party, " canidacy we have suffered from for so long. It seems to me that the Reform party fell victim to the same tactics as the school boards in regards to the Christian Coalition/Christian Right's drive to get their people into key positions. The covereage of the dilema this morning sounded chaotic, like an over heated city council meeting that was about to erupt in violence. The Pat Buchanan supporters claiming they are the "real" Reform party, while the other side which has worked all these years to finally make enough money to qualify for federal matching funds and a space on the ballot tried to hold their own meetings of the "real" Reform Party. A couple of months ago, I was at a garden and home show in OKC when a person approached me with a petition to get the reform party candidate onto the OK ballot. I almost signed it (without asking, because I knew who/what the reform party was, I thought) and at the last minute I asked who the candidate was. When this gentleman told me it was Pat Buchanan I laughed. I could not believe that a Christian Conservative of Buchanan's background made it into the party for one and had garnered enough support. How many people unwittingly signed petitions like that without asking or knowing for whom these petitions endorsed? Thinking, "It's the reform party, I hope they stick it to the Democrats and/or Republicans." I thought the reform was for political endeavors, not reform the country into a theocracy. I think that others who are trying to accomplish the same status with third party candidates and movements should beware of this tactic in the future. Never doubt for a moment that there are individuals who will wait patiently to take the credit and the benefits of all your hard work. I shudder to think what Buchanan will do with 12 million dollars. How will this fiasco further affect Voter Apathy? Watching Buchanan and his ditto heads lay this giant Cuckoo's egg in the reform party's nest has been the most depressing thing I have watched in a very long time.


I Would Love It If Raph Nader Won. But We Know It... Aug 9th. at 7:03:23 am UTC

Alex (Somewhere, Massachusetts US) Age: 16


I would love it if Raph Nader won. But we know it will not happen. So I am praying Al Gore wins. Because we all know Bush will not leave us alone. He has stated "I do not think Witchcraft is a religion" and many times said "There should be restrictions to freedom". Al Gore is not the best person but he is good. Also we are doing very well economicly do to the Bill and Gore years and Bush will mess it up.
Blessed Be.


I"m Only 17, But I've Been Raised Listening To Politics. My... Aug 9th. at 2:49:02 am UTC

Medea (Augusta, Georgia US) Age: 17 - Email


I"m only 17, but I've been raised listening to politics. My parents are republicans, but i lean WAY more towards being a democrate. I feel that if Bush is elected, he will all but demolish (and he might do that too) the first ammendment. I would prefer to have a different democratic runner, but Gore would do a world more good than Bush.


I Plan To Vote Republican In The Coming Elections. While I Do... Aug 8th. at 11:17:04 pm UTC

Tom O'Neill (Detroit, Michigan US) Age: 56 - Email


I plan to vote Republican in the coming elections. While I do not agree with everything espoused by the candidates, e.g. their views on abortion, I do believe that in general republicans will leave us alone, both as pagans and as ordinary citizens who do not wish the government involved in our lives.

Further, as an animal-rights activist, I was horrified by the number of fur coats flaunted at Clinton's inauguration. I saw none in '88, and very few if any before that. Also remember that it was Richard Nixon who banned poisoning on federal land and Jimmy Carter who restored it.

I know that I have said nothing of pagans, but to me a pagan is simply one who has both the desire to be left alone and the desire to prevent harm to innocents.


I Am Leaning Towards The Libertarian Party And Harry Brown. Yes, I... Aug 8th. at 10:44:06 pm UTC

Jason (Lancaster, California US) Age: 27 - Email


I am leaning towards the Libertarian Party and Harry Brown. Yes, I think political involvement is important. I am registered. If I don't vote for Harry Brown, I will be voting for Bush because I will be voting Anti-Gore.


Most People Would Call Me A Moderate, In This Election, My Vote... Aug 8th. at 10:05:18 pm UTC

Timothy m. Bagnell (Greensboro, North Carolina US) Age: 19 - Email


Most people would call me a moderate, in this election, my vote is caught between the lesser of two evils. Our concerns for religious equality, as best as i've been able to divine from the candidates public speaches, are not addressed hardly at all. However, given the increadibly blatent religious overtones that were adopted today by the Gore/Lieberman campaign, I am going to have to say Bush/Cheney. For us, as it has been for centuries since the last of the burning times and inquisitions, ignorance has been our shield. To most people today we are the stuff of legends, and halloween, and movies. While we should (and do) strive for religious tolerance, understanding and cooperation, the less we are brought up in main stream talk, especially politics, the less of a target we are.

I found it utterly astounding how much the media raised the alarm (pushed the panic button) on the "sudden increase of anti-semetic sentiment" today. MSNBC, CNN, and others were doing full exposes on the Klan and other White supremacist groups, all because Gore's running mate happens to be Jewish... Did I miss something or did Church and State suddenly re-merge.

The pagan community, world wide, is probably the LEAST organized, and thus least politically active and powerful. The Republican's somewhat (okay very) haughty attitudes about societry and minorities lend to our veil of secrecy and shadow. Until the isolated pocket sof pagan activism unite under some group that is stronger than something like the Witchvox here (no offense guys at TWV, you are doing a wonderful job, given the limitations you've impossed upon yourself for potitical commentary).

We are coming out in force, but we shall do it smart. The Pagan revival will have its time in the lime light. I just pray that that time comes after we have united under the banners of understanding, not just for relationships between the Pagan faiths and other more mainstream faiths other faiths, but for the myriad of faiths that make up the global pagan community.


Green Party/ Ralph Nadar Absolutely Yes, Every American Pagan Must Be Politically... Aug 8th. at 10:05:01 pm UTC

jean Marie Zirger (Mena , Arkansas US) Age: 56 - Email


Green Party/ Ralph Nadar Absolutely yes, Every american pagan must be politically active for we are among the most at risk when the constitution gets circumvented by our oppressers.

I will vote for greens and independants in the national elections. Liberal lefts in local events.


Hi, Yes I Am Registered To Vote. I Rarely Miss An Opportunty... Aug 8th. at 10:02:01 pm UTC

Nancy Brant (Gibsonton, Florida US) Age: 50 - Email


Hi, Yes I am registered to vote. I rarely miss an opportunty to put in my two cents worth. I probably will vote the Democratic ticket. They usually are the party that cares the most about the freedoms our constitution guarantees us. Its very important for Pagans to vote. Some of the politicians are absolutely undemocratic and we need to do what we can to keep them out of office. To quote one of our founding fathers, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." I intend to keep an eye on the poitcal scene and vote for whoever is the best leader for me and my children.


I Refuse To Vote For A Body Of People Who Would Not... Aug 8th. at 9:53:36 pm UTC

Richard Steven Bennett (Atlantic Beach , Florida US) Age: 42 - Email


I refuse to vote for a body of people who would not now the truth if it bit them like a serpent.its come tothe point where the ones who write the laws are worse violaters of the laws then every one else

thankyou


Is There A Good Candidate? Neither Candidate Really Makes Me Feel Comfortable... Aug 8th. at 9:47:18 pm UTC

The Guide (Denver, Colorado US) Age: 30


Is there a good candidate? Neither candidate really makes me feel comfortable.

Mr. Bush has made statements in the past that he did not support Wicca as a faith, and he gives at least small attention to conservative religious groups. Before anyone asks, yes I did read Mr. Bush's speech from the recent convention, and I noticed many references to a conservative Christian veiw point. Is that bad, not necessarily, unless he tries to legislate that conservative viewpoint to the rest of us.

Also, what cannot be forgotten is the president elected this year may have a far reaching arm in the Supreme Court. There is a strong possibilty the next president will nominate at least two and possibly three Justices to the high court during his time in office. Clarance Tomas and Anton Scallia have already demonstrated a very conservative viewpoint on may topics including religion.

However, Mr. Gore, is not much better a choice. I'm not sure he is strong enough to lead the nation, but I will withhold final judgement until I know more about his views.

Yes, I am a registered voter and I plan to vote this November. And Pagans should be involved in the polictical process as much as anyone of any other faith. If you wnat your voice heard and your ideas considered, you have to be involved.

In the end, I will probaby vote for Mr. Bush, because I do sgree with some of his economic and foreign policy ideas. I will have to hope that clearer heads will prevail if either candidate trys to legislate religion.


As A Newspaper Reporter By Trade, I See On A Daily Basis... Aug 8th. at 9:30:29 pm UTC

Morrigan-Aa (Woodbridge, New Jersey US) Age: 25 - Email


As a newspaper reporter by trade, I see on a daily basis the importance of politics. Like it or not, this nation is a republic which accords its citizens the right to vote. In order to have a voice in what goes on nationally, it is important for everyone - including Pagans of all stripes - to go to their local ballot box.

Why? Because in some states (thankfully not mine), school boards are being stacked by the religious right, as well as others who oppose the teaching of evolution and sex education and support the blatant promotion of Christianity in the classroom. The reason they are able to do this is because virtually no one - except their constituents - votes in school board elections. The turnout in some communities is 15 percent or below - and this for the governing body that sets policy for our schools, and comprises the lion's share of local property taxes. Municipal elections - which in some cases can influence whether a town surges toward development or seeks to keep some land as open space - draw little more. This is disturbing in my opinion because political power starts locally, where it has the greatest effects on citizens' lives.

Needless to say, I'm registered to vote and I don't think I've missed an election. While I opted for Nader in the last presidential election, this year I might vote for Gore, since he does have a good record on the environment. And he's not George W., whose dedication to the rightwing movement I fear as both a woman and a freethinker.


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