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Posted: Nov. 17, 2002
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How Do You Feel About War?
‘Yes I'm talking about this war dance/ A patriotic romance./And I know all you poets/Have seen it all before…’ – Colin Moulding, XTC
Colin: ‘The words were originally prompted by the Falklands War in 1982. But it was too much on one piece of history. Then along came the Persian Gulf War and I put the revised lyrics to a new piece of music. It was time to bring war out of the closet again.’
And again, it would seem. How do you, from your own spiritual perspective or tradition, view and/or cope with the ideals and realities of war and armed conflict?
Do your political leanings influence how you feel?
Do you have a difficult time explaining/defending/advocating your position to other Pagans or Heathens? Non-Pagans?
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| War For The Sake Of Politics ||Jan 20th. at 1:07:59 am EST|
|Celticmoon (Oklahoma) ||Age: 53 - Email |
This particular war on "terrorism" frightens me because it is so vague. We have a president that speaks before he thinks, such as: "your either with us, or against us": Bin Laden 'dead or alive', and so on. Now to save face, he is putting the American people in a dangerous situation.
In World War II, we suffered a direct military attack from the Japanese government that wanted world domination. We KNEW who the enemy was. We had an immediate declaration of war from Congress, and the war was supported unanimously by the American people. What happened to going after Bin Laden. I haven't heard Bush mentioning him lately. If I remember right, weren't all the 9/11 hijackers Saudis? And we want to invade Iraq?
Now, are we planning to invade any country that we "think" may be harboring terrorists, or a country that "maybe" has weapons of mass destruction? "Either for us, or against us", remember? Our "intelligence" community couldn't find Bin Laden, and the weapons inspection is in no way conclusive, so now what? Are we going to war just because Bush wants to make sure all countries know he is serious? He is on one bad ego trip!
Also, since our government likes to work in secrecy, how do we know the dribbles of information we are tossed are accurate and tell the whole story? Should we trust what the government tells us? I think we all know the answer to that one!
As time goes on, Americans are beginning to speak out against a war without concrete evidence of weapons of mass destruction. I also hope the American people will wake up and realize the Patriot Act could very well be our downfall, and the terrorists would win without firing a single missle.
No country can come close to our military power and finances. BUT, we can be torn apart from the inside by a war without an end in sight that cannot be won, and a breakdown of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, which has already started by way of the Patriot Act.
May the Goddess bless us.
| An Outsiders Look ||Jan 20th. at 12:45:25 am EST|
|Daniel (Alabama) ||Age: 18 - Email |
First off i've been looking into Wicca for a while and i haven't been able to find someone personly to talk to that can get me some personal info on the subject. That said, i really can't give a view of this subject from a Wicca "follower". However i will explain my personal view as an outsider. I think that if they can prove that the U.S. and her citizens are in danger by an outside source then we should defend ouselves and our way of life. Also if any country should have the intent on hurting us in the future, i feel that, we should handle them before they get into the postion to hurt us. I'm a firm believer that our government is a good one and that what happens is for the better good for US! (as americans) Now if anyone out there is mad for what i said sorry but thats what i think. One last thing if anyone would like to send me stuff information concerning Wicca i would be greatly thankful. my e-mail is RoundGuy84@msn.com plz no chainletters (i hate those):)
| Where's The Proof??? ||Jan 20th. at 12:27:27 am EST|
|Belle Starr (Virginia) ||Age: 50 - Email |
Yes, I'm against the war. My husband served in the Gulf War, when there were reasons to fight. But now, it's like the Vietnam era all over again------sending folks to a war, because the Pres.& Congress want it that way. Where's the Proof----that Sadam has such terrible weapons to destroy anyone??? Just because George Sr. didn't finish Sadam off during his term of office, doesn't mean that Junior can be a "Big Boy" and do what his father never did---and using the lives of innocent military personnel to do it. Let's concentrate on helping our schools, medical benefits for the elderly. Too many folks are against this action, but we're being ignored by our Pres. & Congress.
| Alot ||Jan 20th. at 12:12:36 am EST|
|melissa (philadelphia) ||Age: 25 - Email |
well,,, first I have the part of me that wants peace, love, a safe happy world,dont start any trouble, live and let live. Then there is the part of me that wants to kick some ass and make them all cry, my blood is easy to boil, I guess it runs in the family. I suppose I should settle my own internal war before trying to add my wisdom to this problem solving forum. Maybe thats where all of this comes from anyway, our leaders are just as mixed up as the rest of us, they just have more money in their pockets. but it honestly scares the shit out of me and I want to hide in a cave and wait for it to pass like a cloud, but that wont happen, men are fools,,,,,,,,
| My Two Cents ||Jan 20th. at 12:02:52 am EST|
|Xius (Tampa, FL) ||Age: 19 - Email |
There are certain times in which war is inevitable, even beneficial for the human race. The two world wars, for instance. I would even go so far as to say that if I believed the Bush administration was honest in its claims that Iraq planned to use nukes or chemical weapons on the U.S. and its allies that such a war SHOULD be fought.
Basically, I believe that war should be fought for:
1) Protection from our invasion / annihilation or that of our allies.
2) Protection of civil liberties (not that those exist anymore)
I disagree with war being fought for:
2)political popularity /influence
3)as an excuse to undermine civil liberties for "the greater good of national security"
4)because daddy Bush told me to do it.
I have no problem with a war that I believe is justified, I just do not believe that this war, or the war on terrorism for that matter, is such a war.
| What Kind Of War ||Jan 19th. at 11:46:59 pm EST|
|SilverMoon (Idaho) ||Age: 20 - Email |
Throughout the entire history of conflict.
When I read this subject the first thought that came into my head; was What kind of War?
War against slavery?
War against terrorism?
Wars against the absence of relgious, social or political freedom.
"Fight for what is Right"
Verbally, Spiritually, or Physically?
"To each man his own"
What about the Revolutionary War? The war for freedom.
What about a War against those who would conquer you?
I cannot say that all war is bad. I am glad as an american that we are free. Would we have been if we lost the Revolutionary War.
Not all wars are either totally "bad", or totally "good".
People have died, Cultures have fallen, Civilizations lost.
But not one of us can say that our Civlization was lost. Most of us are people that are decended from the winning, supporting, loyal, friendly, cooperative or neutral sides or people in a conflict.
Compared to the age of the Earth, the human race is still very young, with each century we are learning and growing.
| What Do I Think Of War??? ||Jan 19th. at 11:22:42 pm EST|
|Robin Eastwind (Virginia, USA) ||Age: 37 - Email |
War sucks....what ever happened to random acts of kindness??? Blessed Be and Peace to All.
| I Do Not Really Have Many Dislikes But War Is One Of Three ||Jan 19th. at 10:45:21 pm EST|
|AshaShia (ruidoso new mexico) ||Age: 15 - Email |
i do not like war of any kind exspecially the one that is going on now
what ever his name is presidenting our american country needs to stop startgin
stuff with the guys of the other coutries i know i sound like a kid but sorry i never get a
chance to speak my mind so i am now i dont liek war against us pagans either what so ever
at shcool this one guy named austin not spekaing any more he hates me because of this one day
at badn camp not really school i was in the lunch line ahead of him and he was talking about
dragons there is this rumor i am a Wiccan at my shcool yes i am and almost every one but my parents know it so yeah but he was talking and asked me arent u some kind of satanic person
i toldhim no i am a wiccando u have some kind of a problem with it and why do u aks he said
that i was a bitch then he pissed me off i was abotu ready to slap him until the teacher came up behind us well things arent so good since he has a nag for being an ass at my shcool so i cannot stand war since i am in the middle of one in my own school
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